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Hmmm…. Man this one gave me a lot more thinky thoughts than I expected. Let’s see if I can process through them as I go…. You ready?

[ETA: Sorry for the delay! Good excuse, I promise.]


So, before I get to the traditional rambley part of the Ramble, some thoughts. I liked this one; however, it felt like it was a bit of a ceremonial flipping of a switch in the flow of the overall storyline for the Season. As if after this episode we’re going to go from the boys handling things as best they can – Sam keeping the crazy under one roof, as he said, and Dean doing what he can not to get killed and keep the pain at bay – to their world falling apart around them, completely this time. Because it won’t just be about those they love, it will be about them.

Which, it feels like the right time for it, honestly. We have eight episodes left in the season and a lot of ground to cover; keeping Sam ‘okay’ for much longer (when it was built up so much in the previous season and the beginning of this one as the Great Wall of Sam falling would be a Really Bad Thing) would have tested my patience. Not that it’s all about me, of course, but you get my meaning. There’s only so long I’ll buy the hand-rubbing as a means to keep the Devil away.

Plus, it’s the usual cadence of the show, it seems, to get them to a point when they are doing okay, feeling back on track, and then the rug gets yanked out from under them. SO, Sam ‘letting Lucifer in’ during this episode is the flip of the switch that is going to (as I see it) send them spiraling. The question for me now becomes: how deep will the crack go, and how far down will Dean fall before he’ll be able to climb out, hauling Sam behind him?

Because he won’t lose him again. Not like this. I refuse to believe they (writers) would do that to them (us). *crosses arms*

I think Sam losing control will come very close to breaking Dean – I mean, since Sam went to Hell, Dean’s lost Lisa and Ben, Castiel, and Bobby…if he loses Sam (and there are multitudes of ways to lose someone; this I know from personal experience) so soon after really getting him back, it’s going to rock him severely – but I think that it will also be the catalyst to him recentering on his purpose and finding that reason everyone’s been telling him to find.

Realistically, I think that any person who has been through as much as Dean has would crumble – even just a little bit. But as one commenter pointed out to me last Ramble when I mentioned that Dean had taken a break from drinking, just because it doesn’t happen during the episode doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. So, if I never see him have his ‘straw moment,’ as I’ve taken to calling it, the canon in my head will simply fill it in and follow him forward as he carries himself like the hero he is.

And Sammy…good gracious. He’s shown incredible resilience up to now. Giving way and losing his grip on sanity – especially considering how he was maintaining that grip and the life he was living in the meantime – was only a matter of time. My hope is that he’ll lose it, hit bottom, and be saved by his brother; his return (for lack of a better word) acting as a healing agent for Dean.

That’s my I have to stay positive about their fate outlook. Before it gets to that, though, I have a feeling it’s going to get a whole lot darker. Which…I’m actually okay with. Anything less would make all the buildup that’s come before pointless, in my opinion. I’ve enjoyed the lighter moments, the adventures, the humor, time travel, and sparkly clowns, but I’m all for rolling up my sleeves and getting my hands dirty as we filter through Sam’s damaged noggin, Dean’s desperation, and a way to take out the Big Mouths once and for all.

In this episode, I found myself reminded of a story I wrote with a good friend (sojourner84) called Devil Inside (after the INXS song). In that story, we hypothesized that serial killers were actually possessed by demons…the humans had this ‘spark’ in them that the demons honed in on. Once possessed, the demons exploited that ‘spark’ and basically turned the human host into the killer they were ‘meant to be.’ In the story, we used real-life serial killers as examples, like John Wayne Gacy and David Berkowitz (Son of Sam).

Because of that story, my Spidey sense was tingling early on with the storyline of this episode, but I still think it was well done overall. However, I don’t know if it was the sense that this episode was starting the next chapter or the vaguely familiar plotline, but I found myself with more of a sense of waiting for what happens next than truly engaged with this one.

One last thing before I start with the recap and the rest of my thinky thoughts. I have to confess something. I was completely entertained, and often even amused…by Mark Pellegrino’s Hallucifer.

Don’t judge me.

The THEN was basically just Lilith, Death, the Great Wall of Sam, and Hallucifer. Then we go to ‘Four Years Ago.’ The boys are in Coeur d’Arlene, Idaho (which, according to Wikipedia is a little slice of Heaven), holed up in some random cabin somewhere. A rough-sounding hatchback pulls up next to…THE IMPALA!!

I know, I know, four years ago and all of that but OMGITWASTHEIMPALA! It was so friggin’ good to see her, even if just for a little bit. *wants to kiss her*

A woman gets out of the hatchback and walks up to the door. Sam opens it, calls her Mrs. Haviland and says she shouldn’t be there, but she says she has to see for herself – it’s one thing to study it in books, but….

So, Sam lets her in to the cabin. Now, I have to get a smidge picky. I know they can’t rewind time and make the guys look as they would four years ago, but…Sam’s. Hair. Four years ago, it was shorter and he still had some bangs. I wish they’d at least tried to change his hair. Other than looking a bit more worn and soul-weary, Dean’s appearance hasn’t changed much, but Sam…. *sigh* That’s all I’ll say on the appearance thing, but…it would have sold it a lot better (for me) if his appearance had been a little closer to the way they had then. /hair rant

ANYWAY. Inside, a man is tied to a chair in the center of a Devil’s Trap and he’s beaten bloody. Dean’s leaning against a table sharpening a knife on a whetstone. He looks up when Sam and the woman walk in and his eyes go slightly round with surprise. The guy tied to the chair looks up saying, “Do I smell menopause?”

For whatever reason, that line made me snarl.

Demon: Well…if it isn’t the wiccan bitch of the west.

The demon calls her Nora and says he knows she was the one to help the boys find him...but not before he killed one more girl. Nora is a viper, though, telling him that he’s going to hell. The demon goes black-eyed on her and growls that he’s going to scoop her out like a pumpkin and she very quickly realizes she’s in over her head, drawing back in horror. Sam scoots her out of the room. And as she leaves, Dean squares off with the demon, Sam joining him.

Dean: Your scooping days are over. All you gotta worry about now is us.

The demon goes for the throat, saying there was an innocent guy inside this “fleshy temple” (and says they’ll like him), he knows they’re hunting for Lilith, that sort of thing. Okay, so…four years ago. Straight math would put this at Season 3 and pre-Hell for both of them. Dean with a death sentence hanging over his head and they were searching for Lilith. But if you account for the missing year with Lisa & Ben, then this could be Season 4 when Dean's seen Hell and demons and knows a little more about the org chart down under. The unflinching way he went after Jeffrey made me think Season 4 because Hell took a lot of his innocence and hope away. And S4 Sam was all about revenge on and finding Lilith....

In either case, though, the amount of stuff that hadn’t happened to them yet was staggering. Dean tells the demon that this ain’t their first rodeo, more or less, and Sam chimes in saying that he would make their list of demon-kills hit half a dozen.

Oh, what a tiny, tiny number in comparison to all that comes after. The innocence was a little heart breaking if I thought about it too long.

Just to twist them up further, or so it appears, the demon allows the innocent guy – Jeffrey – to come forward and talk to them. Jeffrey is shaking, in pain, terrified. His vision is blurry as he tries to focus on Sam and Dean and his gaze falls on the sheet-covered body of the last victim. In a trembling voice he says he can’t believe what the demon made him do to all those women. Dean crouches down so that Jeffrey’s eyes find him and in a gentle voice tells him that they’re hunting for a demon, and they know this one has the information they need.

Jeffrey’s all, do what you need to and Dean tells him that means they’d basically have to do it to him – basically asking permission to beat him up. Before Jeffrey can say much more, the demon pushes forward again.

Dean: Y’know, you’re right. We like Jeffrey. He’s a decent guy. And he just signed off on his temple.

Dean and Sam begin to torture it – both throwing Holy Water on it, burning it, both slamming punches against Jeffrey’s face. Honestly…I’m not sure what effect the punches would have on the demon. Not sure how the damage to the human body it inhabited would wear it down. Meg got shot in the gut and while she said it hurt, it didn’t slow her down.

But the Holy Water, that I could see hurting... I had to make myself think about when this was and what they were each willing to do and what they hadn't faced yet… This was back before they had the Demon Killing Knife (because it was Ruby's) or Sam using the Force (on a consistent level)...back when their concern about saving the innocent person was still bigger than their need to destroy the demon, but when they were starting to blur the line. Back when they had no concept of how big and pervasive the demon infestation was or would grow to, and before they knew all the ways to torture a demon beyond the means that would work on a human.

Anyway, the demon screams out a name – Merrick, down in New Orleans – and Dean immediately begins to Latinate and send the demon packing. Now I want a story about them heading to New Orleans after this Merrick….

Next thing we know, Dean has a very beaten Jeffrey in the back seat of the Impala (*squeak* IMPALA! *squeak*) and is rushing him to the ER. Jeffrey wakes, mumbles a question about Sam and Dean tells him that Sam’s back at the cabin cleaning up the ‘crime scene.’ He gets to the ER, pulls Jeffrey out of the back seat and gets him standing. He tells him he cannot talk about what happened. No demon talk. Coaches him to say he was mugged.

Jeffrey’s like, um, okay, thanks – but Dean’s already driving away.

And then it’s present day and they’re back in Coeur d’Arlene, Idaho. They open the door to room 113 (I have no idea why I noticed the number) of some random hotel room and both stick their heads in to look around. The way they entered the hotel had me chuckling. After apparently assessing that it was safe – albeit a tad gack-worthy – they head inside and Dean immediately gets a call from Frank. He hands Sam some police scanners and takes the call.

Frank is apparently the current plot device to say hey, we haven’t forgotten about the Leviathans, but they’re going to be hard to kill and Dick Roman’s a slippery sucker, so meanwhile we’ll focus on the MotW until the episode where we get so focus on the Levi’s again. Or, y’know. Something like that.

As Dean steps away to ‘handle’ Frank, we suddenly – after all this time – see Hallucifer again. I tell you, even though the previews alluded to his return in this episode, it was a bit of a shock to my system to see him just standing there again, dressed in his Nick clothes, all loose green T and flannel shirt combo. In the back of my mind – in all our minds, I presume – we knew that Sam still sees him all the time…hence the hand-rubbing. But it drove it home so much more to have him suddenly there. Made me sympathize with the sometimes short-tempered, bitchiness that Sam lays on Dean. And – in a way – made me feel more sympathy for Dean, as well.

Let me explain. To me, Sam’s visions of Lucifer are like a chronic disease. He can’t get away from it; there’s no cure. He just has to deal as best he can, and sometimes the ways he ‘deals’ has to change because the first way reaches a saturation point and is no longer effective. Meanwhile, he doesn’t want to be known as The Guy With Hallucinations Of Hell, he just wants to be Sam. So, he says he’s got it under control, he says he’s fine, he demand you treat him as such, and he does his best to live up to his claims, even when the pain/fear is overwhelming.

Meanwhile, Dean is the ‘healthy partner’ in this scenario. He knows that Sam has this ‘chronic disease’ and also knows there’s no cure and that his brother is going to have to find a way to survive it and is dedicated to not allowing it to take Sam out of the equation. But there’s really not much he can do. He can adjust how he works, he can keep an eye on him, he can ask him how he’s doing, he can give him the “Stone #1” to build on, but he can’t fix this. It’s the ultimate helplessness. He feels trapped and desperate and suffocated and scared and angry and obligated and committed and this crazy love undercurrents all of those feelings. (Not to mention he's got his own crap to deal with.)

And he recognizes how badly Sam needs to feel normal, so he respects his request to let it go, doesn’t bring it up to be a constant reminder, and goes along with Sam acting fine. And…sometimes he probably forgets. When Sam’s been acting fine for a good stretch of time, it’s easy to allow himself to think that maybe Sam really is fine. Maybe he really does have a handle on it.

When the façade falls, it falls fast in this ‘chronic disease’ analogy. One moment “fine” is true and the next moment your world is falling apart and you realize that the chaos was simply waiting for you all along on the other side of a rice paper-thin curtain and the only reason you didn’t see it was because you didn’t want to.

So, I feel for Sam because keeping it at bay all the time every day is exhausting, and I feel for Dean because he’s trying to shore up the pretense for his brother’s sake and the tearing of the curtain is going to hit him hard. And those of you who know me well enough to know why I picked this analogy will understand when I say I’ve felt that impact.

Okay, with that out of the way…. Luci is talking to Sam, who pointedly ignores him, rubbing at his scar and bbzzpp, Lucifer blinks out. Dean hangs up and returns to Sam saying that Frank can’t find Dick Roman. I think they need a better network….

Sam has a stack of crime scene files – aside, how do they always get access to this stuff? – and says that the victims are the same age, hair color, body type as before.

Dean (with that ling between his brows that does funny things to my belly): Who down there would let our demon out of the can? He squealed on his superiors; we made sure of that. He should be down under until…trumpet day.

Sam says that there have been two women in the last two weeks with the same “parts” missing (gah!) on the same hunting grounds. Dean says that they’ll take a swing at it, but they need to be hunting Leviathans – that should be their focus.

Sam: Yeah…but no. This one is ours. It’s unfinished business, apparently.

Dean (sighing): All right.

Then he does that thing with his mouth that I dig where it’s kinda pursed only not really. I think of it as his Michael Keaton mouth. He usually only does it when he’s doing or saying something he knows needs to be done or said but he doesn’t like it.

Anyway, the boys are asleep, Dean with his back to Sam. The police scanner lights up saying they found another body with the same M.O. Sam’s eyes open, searching. Then Dean’s eyes open, groggy and reluctant. The camera pulls back and we can see that Sam’s looking at Dean’s back and Dean’s looking at the middle distance with resignation. No rest for the wicked.

Suited up, they head to what appears to be a parking garage, show their badges to the uniformed officer blocking the crime scene, and duck under the tape.

Dean: Every time we do this, I wonder if today’s the day we walk up and flash our tin to a bunch  of chompers pretending to be policemen.

Yeah, me too.

As they approach the bloody body, a detective (in a trench coat) comes up to them and claps them on the shoulders. He remembers them from last time, saying he wondered how long it would take them to show back up. He calls them the “drummer boys” – Agents Bonham and Watts. Ah, how I miss the good ol’ days of classic rock aliases.

The boys turn and struggle to remember his name, doing the whole, “It’s good to see you, Detective….”

Lucifer is behind the detective, drawing out the name Sutton just before the Detective supplies the name for them. Sam ignores him and walks away with Dean and the Detective. As he does, Lucifer sticks out his forked tongue at Sam. HA! Man, I’m going to Hell for chuckling at that.

They look at the bloody body and Sutton tells the boys that it’s the same M.O. as last time, and still no suspects – since, as Sutton thinks, they didn’t catch the guy last time, he’s assuming it’s the same one. Boys poke around and find sulfur on the car, then decide to check on Nora Haviland. They find her at her store – www.wiccansweb.com – where she does white magic only – herbs, talismans, that kind of stuff.

However, she has painted a devil’s trap on the floor of her back room. Trying to protect herself better. She shows Sam what she’s been up to lately – translating an old spell from Latin – and Sam’s impressed. Says it’s a good job. She tells him she has an affinity for that. Dean smiles at her (love that eye-crinkle…*sigh*) and says she helped track down that demon four years ago, but Nora says she was totally in over her head and after she saw what she did in that cabin, she was leaving that to the pro’s.

She tells them that when the bodies started dropping, she tried to call them, but their number isn’t working.

Sam (grimacing): Yeah, uh…we’ve had…technical difficulties. Phone issues.

Dean (tight smile): It’s a monster problem, really.

Sam shoots him a glare and Dean’s responding expression is all, what? It is! *laugh!*

Nora says she’s had no contact with the demon and is getting ready to leave town, but then asks them if they’ve talked to Jeffrey. For a moment the boys look clueless until she wonders if the demons might be…sentimental at all. Re-possessing the same host again and again. And then they’re like, oh THAT Jeffrey.

Next thing we see is a group meeting at a half-way house. Jeffrey is there and informs his counselor/sponsor guy and the group that he’s going to be picking up a dog from the rescue center that day – a test of his responsibility. Or something. Anyway, Jeffrey picks up a little terrier at the rescue center and the poor thing is wearing a Cone of Shame so that she won’t get at her stitches. He carries her a little ways, then sets her down as he hears a bang/rattle down an alley filled with green trash dumpsters. He heads toward the sound (because that’s always a smart thing to do) with a stiff sort of shuffle-limp to his gait.

Out of nowhere, he’s jumped with a flask of Holy Water and the Demon Killing Knife at his throat. The boys quickly confirm that it’s actually Jeffrey and not Jeffrey The Demon.

Sam: Sorry! We just had to make sure.

Jeff: Make sure what? That I peed my pants today?

*laugh*

He tells them that they scared his dog, and picks the little thing up. Dean looks sorry, but then says they need to talk. So, Jeffrey takes them back to his room at the half-way house. Lucifer is there, waiting for them and Sam ‘rubs’ him away. They sit down and Dean tries to break it to him gently that the demon is back. Jeffrey is all what the actual hell and Dean gives him the facts of the killings of late. Sam tries to reassure him that they’re there now, so it’s going to be okay.

Because they have that super-special force field of hunter power that prevents people from getting possessed. Oh, wait….

Jeffrey asks them the name of the last victim. Together the boys reply that her name was Anna Paxton. Jeffrey suddenly says, “Marjorie Willis. That’s the next name on the list.”

Sam’s all, come again?

Jeffrey: The demon used to recite it all the time, like a grocery list. Names of all the women he was going to kill – in order.

Dean’s like, why would he do that? And Jeffrey says that the demon acted like it was his job. The sponsor guy comes by and knocks on the door, telling Jeffrey that his guests need to sign in when they sign out. While Jeffrey’s busy with the sponsor guy, the boys whisper-talk and Dean wants to help Jeffrey out, obviously feeling terrible about how badly his life spiraled out of control post-possession.

Dean: He’s got a state-assigned dad.

So, they decide that Sam will keep an eye on Marjorie Willis and Dean will stay with Jeffrey. Unfortunately, Sam’s invisible friend, Luci, joins him at the library where Marjorie works as the librarian. The collection of scenes at the library had me thinking a lot about who/what Hallucifer was to Sam. I am not of the opinion that it’s actually Lucifer somehow cracking through the Cage in Hell and slip-stream riding Sam’s consciousness.

I think it’s Sam’s hallucination – a manifestation of his psychosis as a result of his trauma in Hell, and therefore, theoretically, a piece of Sam himself. Just like we saw with the three Sam’s at the end of Season 6, he has this ‘personality’ inside of him. He has the horrors Lucifer teased him with, the memories of what happened to him, the fire that haunts him, he has it all trapped inside his melon because of Hell (and the life he’s lived). So, letting Lucifer ‘in’ was just Sam’s resistance to his own fractured psyche falling away.

That’s my take on it – until I’m shown otherwise. Also makes me wonder what/who Dean would see if his mind were similarly broken.

Sam (and Luci) enter the library, eyeing a pretty, blonde librarian – Marjorie Willis – as she pushes a cart of returns down the aisle.

Luci: You’re right; we just don’t read anymore.

Sam sits down where he can keep an eye on her, but Luci sits across from him, directly in his eye-line. Sam does his best to ignore Luci, trying to look around him, but Luci shifts so that he’s impossible to miss. Like an annoying kid brother.

Luci: Sa-am! It’s been months! Talk to me!

Made me wonder if Sam had actually gone for a stretch of time not seeing Lucifer, y’know? The ‘it’s been months’ made me wonder if he’d just not been around or if Sam had just gotten really good at banishing him.

Meanwhile, back at Jeffrey’s room, Jeff is giving Dean a run-down of all his injuries and how the doctor on duty told him he’d looked like he’d gotten caught in the Spanish Inquisition. I half expected Dean to go Monty Python on us and say something about nobody expecting the Spanish Inquisition….

Dean: Yeah, and we’re the good guys.

I wondered in that moment who he was trying to convince after hearing what their beating had done to Jeffrey. You could see in the lines of his face how badly he felt not only for what they did to Jeffrey four years ago – in the name of their quest – and what his life became as a result of it. He blamed himself for the story Jeffrey told him about how he’d lost his job, his health insurance, how he became a drunk and drifted, got lost, had a mental break and then…started talking about what happened.

Dean (shaking his head): Aww…man, never tell. Never, never….

Jeff: I know that now.

Dean: So, let me guess. You went from a drunk tank to a psych eval to a 72 hour forced hold to a nice long stay at an institution of your choice.

Jeff: Yep.

Dean: It’s happened to friends of mine.

Who?? That was killing me. I know there was that one guy back in Sam, Interrupted (totally blanking on his name) but he was more a friend of Bobby’s, I thought. Do you guys know who he might be referring to? Or do you (like me) think that might be a bit of foreshadowing??

Dean: But you got out. You’re pulling it together.

Jeff: And now the demon’s back.

Dean (eyes soft, sad): I’m sorry. I mean it. About all of it.

He looks away, unable to meet Jeffrey’s eyes.

Jeff: You saved my life. I owe a lot of people for getting this far.

And then he realizes – as if it just came to him – that if the demon isn’t staking out Marjorie Willis, he might know where he is. He tells Dean there was a special place where the demon kept souvenirs – kind of like his ‘nest.’ Dean’s all why didn’t you say so before but Jeffrey says he didn’t want to go, so he didn’t say anything. Dean says he doesn’t have to, they will, but Jeffrey insists that he has to go.

And here is where I suspected Jeffrey. I didn’t get it all at once, but I did not trust him.

Back at the library, Lucifer is reading out loud. Sam keeps watching Marjorie and keeps his eyes on her as she walks past a table of people reading. Suddenly he (and I) jumps and looks so terrified I wanted to either hug him or poke Lucifer in the eye as the people at the table next to them start slamming their heads against the table –viciously and repeatedly, bloodying their faces, breaking bones, turning themselves into a mess.

It was incredibly disturbing.

Lucifer smirks and Sam holds himself painfully still until he’s able to pull it together enough to grip his scar making Luci momentarily blink out and the people return to normal. I couldn’t help but wonder how often that happens – and with all they actually see and deal with, how often does Sam have to figure out if the horror is real or hallucinated. I get the impression he’s had control for a bit, but this case rattled that hold enough that his broken brain pushed the horrific stuff to the front. Otherwise, I don’t buy that he’d be able to handle some of the recent cases/episodes so well.

Lucifer (like a petulant child): C’mon, Sam! Pay attention to me! I’m bo-ored!

But Sam’s focused in on a sketchy-looking guy hanging out in the stacks who has also been watching Marjorie. The sketchy guy goes to follow her.

Lucifer (watching sketchy guy, then glancing at Sam): Civil War buff?

Sam gets up to follow.

Back with Dean and Jeffrey, the pair is pulling up to some old warehouse looking building in a Camero-ish looking car. Or maybe an IROC? Trans-Am? Something like that. I didn’t pay close enough attention. My mind was still buzzing from having glimpsed THE IMPALA. Dean checks his cell, but has no service. Of course. Jeffrey has his dog in the back and tells her to stay, laying out some jerky for her.

Dean: It’s not gonna pee in here is it?

Jeff: I don’t know.

Dean’s well that’s just freakin’ perfect face is hilarious as he steps out of the car. He looks around at the building, sizing it up, then glances at Jeffrey, asking, “He’d get you this far, then he’d shut your lights out?”

Shifting to Sam, we see sketchy guy and Marjorie macking in the Historical Fiction section and Sam’s all, d’oh, my bad, and ducks back out of the way.

Going back to Dean, Jeffrey guides Dean into the darkened, empty warehouse by memory, his eyes closed, his hand on Dean’s shoulder. They get to a room with windows – each window covered in sigils, and whatever those sigils mean is enough to alarm Dean. Instinctively, he eased Jeffrey to the side, protected (or so he thought). With his gun drawn and a flashlight up, he edges into the room with the sigils, peering around, looking confused.

He turns the flash back on Jeffrey, then once more into the room and we see a figure of a man bound, gagged and blood, tied to a chair. It’s so much the same as the way we first saw Jeffrey that for a moment I thought that was Jeffrey and the guy that had led Dean here was some spirit or projection or something. Dean’s instincts take over and he hurries to the wounded guy, putting his flashlight and gun down to start untying him.

The wounded guy looks up – and still looks a bit like Jeffrey, only it’s not him, obviously – and tries to warn Dean away. Dean’s all, hold still so I can get you free, but just then someone comes up behind him and jabs him in the neck with a syringe, injecting the liquid into him and – dark.

Not. Good.

Back at the library, Sam’s watching Marjorie and her BF (formerly known as sketchy guy) come back from their make-out session.

Lucifer: I’m pretty sure this guy’s the boring sort of chubby-chaser.

Chubby?! Okay, now I know he’s the Devil. I didn’t once consider Marjorie as ‘chubby’ until Luci said that. *sigh* Men. (Also, I hadn’t picked up on the ‘body type’ of the victims as being heavy-set either, so…my bad.)

Sam calls Dean, gets his voicemail: “Leave your name, number, and nightmare at the tone.”

HA!! Okay, that’s kinda awesome, I have to say.

Luci: That’s not a good si-ign.

He peers over Sam’s shoulder as Sam goes through the victim files.

Luci: It’s right there in the coroner’s report…traces of tranquilizer in their blood…but our demon is strong enough to make fat Betty do what he wants to do, right? Why does he need the tranqs? Think he’s got a bad back?

*tries not to smirk…fails*

So, it’s not the demon. Sam tries to call Dean at another line and gets VM again.

Luci: Big brother’s probably dead.

And that trips Sam’s trigger. He shoots Lucifer a death glare and growls, “Shut up.”

Luci’s expression is one of slight awe, but I rubbed my heart thinking back to Sam’s plea two episodes ago for Dean to just not get killed. He can hack it if Dean’s with him. If he’s okay. Made me wonder how hard Luci hit Sam when Dean got sucked back to 1944…and doubley-grateful for Sheriff Mills. If Dean’s gone – if even the threat of his being hurt or killed is there – Sam’s control’s going to weaken to the point of nothing.

Sam grabs the files and gets up from the table, leaving Luci behind to gape and mutter (with a slight fanboy crush): He said ‘shut up’ to me.

Hee.

Sam breaks into Jeffrey’s room and after a quick frown noting that Dean wasn’t where he’d left him, he starts poking around. Meanwhile, Luci’s following him around with a running monologue.

Luci: Regular interaction. I miss that! The rapier wit, the wittier rape. C’mon. I’ll be good. I’ll even help you solve your little Nancy Drew mystery.

Sam rifles through drawers, picks a lock on a desk and pulls out a box that looks like a modem.

Luci: Cell phone scrambler. But, Luci, those are illegal.

Swear to Pete, he actually calls himself ‘Luci’ – awesome! *laugh*

Luci: Maybe that has something to do with Dean’s phone black out.

Sam searches through more drawers, finds a hidden panel under some T-shirts and in there finds a metal box with some papers containing Latin translations. He leaves Jeffrey’s apartment, Lucifer tagging along, and is walking down the street looking at the papers…and talking with Luci. It’s almost as if he’s so engrossed in his search for Dean, in getting to the bottom of this demon/Jeffrey thing, that he’s forgotten that Lucifer isn’t actually there. Or, more to the point, is a piece of Sam himself.

Sam: I’ve never seen this spell before.

Luci: But you’ve seen this type of demon-summoning spell before.

Sam: Why?

Luci: Why? To summon a demon, jackass. Start looking at who.

Sam (finally stops walking and turns to face Luci): What do you mean?

Luci: Look at the page.

Luci & Sam at the same time: I know this handwriting.

Sam goes to Nora’s shop and at first it seems that there’s no one but Luci there…until Nora brains Sam with some kind of … lamp or statue thingy, knocking him down, but not out.

Luci (grabbing his head and looking at Sam): Ay carrumba mi cabasa! (And yes, I’m aware I just botched the hell out of the Spanish language…apologies.)

Sam demands to know why Jeffrey has a demon summoning spell in Nora’s handwriting and Nora sits on the couch in the office kinda losing it as she rambles about how it’s all happening just like Jeffrey planned, he can’t change it.

Luci: Hit her.

*bites cheek to not smirk*

Sam (to Nora): Tell me what’s going on.

Nora = silent.

Luci: Shake her up. She knows what happened to Dean! Get this stupid cow to focus, will ya?

Sam (on knees in front of Nora): Nora, listen to me! I am two inches from you and I can make you talk, you understand me?

Yikes, Sammy! Also? You bet your bippy she does, having seen what they did to Jeffrey four years ago. Also? This moment feeds into my theory that Luci is part of Sam – a version of soulless Sam, who would do whatever it took to get what he needed.

So, Nora tells Sam that Jeffrey has her son hostage.

Back at the warehouse, Dean wakes up, groggy, blurry, and tied to a chair next to the guy he was trying to rescue (whom we now know is Nora’s son). He’s trying to piece together what the hell just happened to him and is watching as Jeffrey hauls a table with spell stuff on it across the room to rest in front of Dean.

Jeff: I never asked you to save me. Did you ever think I might’ve loved being possessed? The connection, the power. And I loved him. He was the love of my life.

Dean: You gotta be kidding me.

So…there was no demon. Just Jeffrey the Copy Cat Killer trying to draw the attention of the boys so that he could get them there. Dean tries for the “mommy didn’t love you enough” distraction as he starts to work on his ropes.

Jeffrey: You shouldn’t trivialize other people’s pain.

Dean connects the dots that Jeffrey had that ‘spark’ but, in Jeffrey’s words, was too scared to “live up to his potential” so the demon set up camp in his skull and taught him how to kill. The list was his list, not the demon’s. Jeffrey says the demon saved him…and then Dean sent the demon to Hell. Whoops.

Back with Sam, Nora’s rambling out the whole story – how she kept tabs on Jeffrey, but then how Jeffrey wanted her to give him a spell to summon the demon and then kidnapped her son.

Luci: Boy, you really knocked the cork out of her pie hole.

She gave Jeffrey everything he needed to summon a demon in hopes of getting her son back, but the spell didn’t work, so Jeffrey cut off her son’s ear and sent it to her in a box. Sam’s like, well, yeah, he gave up state secrets, not gonna be easy to get him back.

Nora said that she found a spell that would work for sure – but it required the blood of the exorcist…in this case, Dean. *gulp*

Sam: New plan. Tracking spell. Egyptian, Bavarian, I don’t care. Dealer’s choice. (plunks box of ear down on the spell book) Flesh of the body to find a body…and Dean. Do you want the ear or the kid?

Luci: You’re giving me chills.

Back at the warehouse, Jeffrey’s cutting Dean’s arm (pretty deep) to drain blood into a bowl. One last smidge of pickiness…we never see anyone bind that cut, so one would think it kept bleeding while he was tied up…only we never see any blood or any effects of blood loss. Just saying, if they were going to make ‘blood of the exorcist’ be a big deal, then the blood should stay a big deal until the wound is cared for. That’s how I’d have written it. Moving on!

Jeffrey says he knows Dean, after watching them work over the demon. That they showed a lot of their character.

Jeffrey: You were so desperate to fix the world back then. It kills you that people keep getting hurt and you just can’t stop it.

Yep.

Dean: Screw you.

Still…it’s true.

Jeffrey: Hey, I was there. And then I was depressed because he was gone. I was an emotional shell. A drunk. I was suicidal.

Hmmmm….. I’m not going to take that thought to fruition, but I bet you know what I’m thinking.

Dean (trying to get his hands free): I don’t usually endorse suicide, but what stopped you?

Jeffrey says it was his rehab therapist – he benefitted from the whole program. “A life well lived comes from the structured pursuit of meaningful happiness.” Um, okay…? Anyway, he realized he was nothing without ‘his demon’ and found a purpose. As he’s talking, he leads the dog out of the room.

Dean: No…. (sounds of Jeffrey killing the dog) Oh, you sick son of a bitch.

I can’t believe he killed the dog. The dog always lives. *sniff* Apparently he not only killed it, he cut out its heart. Gah! He starts the ritual. The building shakes, dust falls, Dean ducks and looks around…then silence. Suddenly, Nora’s son, who’d been out of it all this time, lifts his head and breaks his bonds. Guess the demon wanted some new duds. He stands up, all black-eyed, and greets both Jeffrey and Dean.

Jeffrey is gobsmacked…he cannot get why the demon would not choose him to possess. He never saw it coming. The demon is all I’m done with you, you’ve achieved your potential and then he first hugs Jeffrey before proceed to dance the Creepiest. Dance. Ever. with him. Well, 2nd creepiest. Tom Petty’s Last Dance With Mary Jane video is still the creepiest dance for me. Jeffrey says something else that causes the demon to crack him across the face and land him on the ground.

He hears Dean working on the ropes and turns to look at him.

Demon: Keep sawing away at your ropes, Penelope Pitstop. We can dance standing up if you want.

Dean: This is what you do? Find postal workers and make them go postal?

Demon: I’m looking for the next generation of superstars before they get to hell.

Apparently Jeffrey had the ‘spark’ – but the kid the demon was in now doesn’t.

Demon: I’ll probably burn this meat off on my way to Vegas.

Just then, Sam shows up – and I’m going to assume that something Jeffrey told Nora clicked for Nora and that’s how they found this warehouse…only why she didn’t look there for her kid before, I don’t know (unless she had and just couldn’t get the kid away from Jeffrey…and now I’ve officially spent too much time thinking about this plot hole) [ETA: Nevermind! I was  just reminded about the tracking spell. Duh, Gaelic. I was so caught up in threatening!Sam I forgot there was a whole point to his threat.] – and hits the demon.

Dean gets out of his ropes just as the demon throws Sam across the room. Demon goes after Sam but gets caught in a devil’s trap painted on the ceiling. Nora stepped out and the demon is all, “Where do you keep coming from?!” (HA!)

Dean moves around the trapped demon to stand next to Sam just as Jeffrey comes at them with…some kind of weapon…and Dean shoots him. Twice. Nora starts the exorcism and just before the demon goes all black smoke, he yells, “I’ll be back…in black.”

At first I thought, uh, cheesy AC/DC reference, but then I wondered if he might mean something about the black ooze of the Leviathans…and what the Big Mouths are building out in that open field and if it might have something to do with the contempt Dick Roman had for Crowley – I wonder if they’re planning on something involving demonkind…?

ANYWAY, demon is gone, Nora cradles her son, and Dean looks over at Sam with a pained, weary expression. Sometime later, the boys head back to motel and Dean basically stumbles into the room, falling face-first onto his bed.

Sam sits down on his bed, his eyes on Dean, but not really looking at him.

Sam: So, Jeffrey was just pretending to be the victim. Even way back in the farmhouse. He was just acting.

Dean (voice scratchy and face buried in the bed): Psychopath, Sam. It’s what they do all the time. Act. Act like they’re normal. (He rubs his face.) Act like they’re not balls to the walls crazy.

Sam absorbs that for a moment, the look on his face showing that he knows his brother doesn’t put him in that same category, but that he just might put him there himself.

Sam: You going to sleep?

Dean: Damn straight. Screw consciousness, that’s what I say.

Sam goes to lie down and suddenly Luci shows up.

Luci: No, no, Sam. No nap for you.

Sam rubs his hand.

Luci: C’mon, don’t do that. Let’s talk. I always enjoyed our special little chats.

Sam rubs harder, working to ignore Luci’s voice.

Luci: Something’s different. You let me in. You wanted me.

And Sam knows that Luci’s got him. The image of the Devil has his “finger in his brainpan” and rubbing’s not gonna work anymore. Fire grows up around him, reflecting in his eyes, and Sam pins his gaze on Dean’s unconscious form, not waking him, not asking for help, not telling him that it’s back and it’s bad and he can’t do this on his own.

Which I know should make me feel bad for Sam, but really, it just frustrates me concerning him. Because Dean might not be able to fix it, sure, but he can at least try if he knows what’s going on. He can give Sam something to anchor to, remind him about being his “stone #1” or find a way to talk him back from the ledge – maybe even get him actual medicinal help. But he can’t do any of that if Sam keeps this from him.

So, I hope he doesn’t for long. I hope he tells him in the very next episode that Lucifer is louder and constant and he needs help. But that’s hard -- asking for help. Especially when you have so little control as it is. Asking for help is admitting that you can’t do it on your own…and not everyone can admit that. It’s a blow to their pride, and we all know how proud Sam is, and it's a scary loss of control.

In any case, I’m looking forward to what’s to come. The previews looked fantastic and have me excited for the next eight episodes. I had heard that the next episodes are on March 9th (7.16) and March 16th (7.17), but then I saw something about it not returning until March 16th with episode 7.16, so if any of you hear for sure, will you let me know?

[I’m sorry about the delay. If you saw my note in the wee hours, I started to write this immediately following the episode, but then had to take the hubs to the ER with a severe reaction to his latest meds. He’s okay now; it’s par for the course with Crohn’s Disease and our continued attempts to find a treatment that works.]

Thank you for reading! I look forward to your thoughts. And I look forward to seeing you when we all come back to find out what happens next!

Slainte!


Comments

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taylorariel
Feb. 18th, 2012 11:43 pm (UTC)
Hope your husband is home and feeling better.

I enjoyed Lucifer after he began interacting with Sam. I find Mark Pelligrino a good character actor and he did add a spark to this episode.

Killing the dog was unforgiveable and unnecesary. I love animals more than people so once he killed the dog, Jeffrey had absolutely no chance of redemption.

Didn't care for Nora and her role on the show. And I felt that Dean had a rather throw-away role on the episode.

I agree with you that just seemed to be a lead-in to what is coming. I was glad to see Misha in the previews. I will be glad to have him back.

I am not sure what date the show is returning. I really do hate all of these interruptions in the season. Very irritating.

I loved your comment on Dean's bleeding wrist. And yes- you would have written that scene differently and much better too.

Hope you have time to work on your next story. I wait patiently for it (ok, semi-patiently!).

My best to you and yours,
MD
gaelicspirit
Feb. 19th, 2012 12:24 am (UTC)
Well, while I hate to wait (for anything, but especially our boys) I will say that having 2-3 weeks "off" from the show gives me more of a chance to work on that next story. So, there's that. :)

Hubs is home (we got home about 2:30am) and feeling marginally better. Just have to get through until Monday and call his doc.

I still can't believe he killed the dog. I said out loud to my TV, "Oh, you did not just do that." It's like this unwritten rule that the dog lives! *huffs*

The previews look exceptionally intriguing. :) I am really looking forward to how the rest of this plays out -- as well as the timing and pacing of certain things as I don't know the filming schedule, but I've heard they're working out a way to give JP a 'break' after his baby is born. Curious how that will play out.

Thanks so much for reading and taking time to reply -- love hearing from you. :)
borgmama1of5
Feb. 18th, 2012 11:54 pm (UTC)
I assume Nora and Sam showed up to the warehouse because she cast the tracing spell Sam told her to.

But where did the devil's trap on the ceiling come from???

There is a lot of debate about where the flashback falls. I personally see it as season 4 when they are looking to stop Lilith from breaking the seals--I could see Dean torturing Jeffrey while thinking it's not nearly as bad as what he'd done in Hell.

But it was a disturbing--in a 'good fiction' kind of way--reminder of the fact that Dean has always had a dark side, even though he's our hero.

Glad your husband is okay!
gaelicspirit
Feb. 19th, 2012 12:28 am (UTC)
I assume Nora and Sam showed up to the warehouse because she cast the tracing spell Sam told her to

OMG, duh! *laughs at self* Okay, I was distracted by Sam being all tough guy...I totally forgot there was a purpose to it. I corrected it above in the ramble. Nice catch -- thank you. :)

But, yeah, that was some quick-fast Devil's Trap painting. When did they do it? When Demon Son was dancing with Jeffrey??

It's always funny to me when I hear there's debate about something or discussions going on. I stay so secluded by keeping close to this ramble and your comments that I'm not really aware of what's being discussed out there. I think I agree with you in that it was Season 4. I could play it both ways, but if I really think about it, the darkness in Dean in the scene was more of a post-Hell Dean than a pre-Hell Dean.

And I kinda think that one of the reasons Dean is my/our hero is because of his dark side. I've always preferred Batman over Superman...y'know?

Thanks for the well-wishes on the hubs. One day at a time, right?

See you soon(ish)!!!
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(Anonymous)
Feb. 19th, 2012 01:58 am (UTC)
hey gaelic-it's meggin
Your analogy to Sam and Dean's relationship right now being similar to that between a person with a chronic disease and their caregiver rang oh so true! Sorry to hear your hubs had another flare up and that life was mimicking art.

I too felt that with Sam's understating his true situation about the Hal-Lucinations and Dean not giving out any details to Sam about how nearly unglued he was in his own despondency that both their denial would soon blow up in their faces. I was hoping it would be Dean that would be the one to stumble and fall but I don't think TPTB will write it that way.

I fear that they will have this episode be the opening door to Sam's breakdown and that Dean will be the Winchester left standing to face the leviathans on his own.

Debate on the old forum has it that the devils trap that suddenly appeared on the ceiling of the wharehouse had been painted by Bobby's spirit. (hehe) I can't tell you how much comfort that thought gave me, lordy I miss his character.

I'll tell you how I would have liked this to go. I would have loved to have seen Sam be set up to stand tallest. You know I'm a Dean gal through and through but having Dean be the one to stumble would be more satisfying to me for two reasons. First because Sam would have to supply the comfort to Deans hurt ( luvs me the Hurt/Comfort genre) and Second because it would vindicate Sam as a victor over all that he's been through. Trying to break away from this life, the demon blood addiction, being a pawn to angels and demons and sacrificing himself to save the world by swan diving into hell. None of that would mean as much to him as being able to save Dean's ass, champion the hero of a brother who has spent his life championing him.

I guess I just like the sense of balance that story line gives me. The come full circle feeling. That it all still comes around to family. And Dean being shown he matters for more than just the family guardian would mean a lot to me personally.
gaelicspirit
Feb. 26th, 2012 03:29 am (UTC)
Re: hey gaelic-it's meggin
Hey there -- so I did not, in fact, fall off the face of the earth. So sorry it took me way too long to reply to you. Been a crazy-busy week.

I fear that they will have this episode be the opening door to Sam's breakdown and that Dean will be the Winchester left standing to face the leviathans on his own.

Y'know, at this point, I don't know if I fear that or prefer that. Show that Dean's obsession with taking out Dick Roman pays off and he gets to finish the job.

I would have loved to have seen Sam be set up to stand tallest. You know I'm a Dean gal through and through but having Dean be the one to stumble would be more satisfying to me for two reasons. ... None of that would mean as much to him as being able to save Dean's ass, champion the hero of a brother who has spent his life championing him.

I'm ALWAYS a fan for that approach. It's how the majority of my stories end up going. :)

I would have amended the end of the episode to have Jeffrey beat on Dean a bit -- sadistic as that sounds. It would have been a more fitting "pay back" for the treatment he received at their hands and would have put Dean a bit more off-balance. I would have also had a pool of blood forming beneath Dean's wounded arm, smearing on the ropes.

When Dean got himself free, I would have had him stagger a bit closer to Sam, shoot Jeffrey when he came after them, then waver to the point that Sam had to catch him. I would have shown either Sam stitching/wrapping his arm, or his wrapped arm when he face-planted on the bed and then when the flames started up around Sam, I would have had Sam speak up with a, "Dean...I need to talk to you."

I'm with you on the full-circle thing, though. And I hope that, ultimately, when all is said and done, Dean is shown that he matters more than just the family guardian.

Thanks for reading -- I'll see you back after the next episode, yeah?
impala1967
Feb. 19th, 2012 02:00 am (UTC)
Glad hubby is doing better now

I am in a mid season funk .... Gaelic help me. I wasn't looking forward to this epoisode cause I'm not a huge mark P. fan, in fact I don't really know why everybody raves about him (I honestly think its just because he's part of the SPN family) But I did love his forked tounge.

I suppose I am really over Sam and his wall ... Deans time in hell never got all this attention (and you know I'm a Dean gurl) but enough is enough ... Sam go get yourself a hip flask to help you cope, its doing Dean the world of good =)

I really just want the story to move forward .... lets start dealing with Dick instead of the Great Wall of Sam.

Not to mention that watching the shorts for this week gave away the whole twist in the plot =(

I have heard that the show has been put back 1 week, now at least I don't have to rush home from the airport to see the next episode.

And I'm also thinking the whole 4 years ago looking for Lilith was a big plot whole cause in S03 dean wasn't looking to get out of the deal and in S04 it was only Sam on a mission .... it sholud have been Ruby there with him, not Dean .... oh and Sams sideburns weren't that long 4 years ago =) oh how I wish he would shave them.

Any way, yes I am in a funk and YES Misha is back =D

Edited at 2012-02-19 02:01 am (UTC)
gaelicspirit
Feb. 26th, 2012 04:35 am (UTC)
Okay, first, hi there and I'm sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you. Busy, crazy week.

I didn't watch the shorts -- I only watch the previews that they tack onto the end of the current episode and so I didn't see the twist coming (and if they showed it during the previews, I totally missed it).

I am in a mid season funk .... Gaelic help me.

Well, here's how I'm choosing to look at it. I don't know if this will help you or not, though, because I do agree with you -- Dean's time in Hell, and the physical and mental ramifications of that time and torture, did not get the attention I wanted it to...or that Sam's is getting now. But because my being upset about that isn't going to make it any different, I decided to change how I perceived it.

Story-wise, they've written themselves into this corner of having to make a big deal about Sam's Wall. If they let it go - or had him deal with his nightmare as Dean has been able to - it would have made everything...well, kinda pointless.

So, while I'm not thrilled to see more psychotic-break Sam, I think that to further Dean's story, it's necessary. He brought Sam back by making himself 'Stone Number One' but then lost everything important in his life except Sam. If Sam' loses his grasp on reality, Dean is critical to their survival, to the survival of everyone. He's the man behind the curtain, the reason everything works.

He's always been that way -- for the defeat of Azazel, for the avoidance of the apocalypse, and now with the Leviathans. For all Sam's power(s) and trauma and the sacrifice he made to bear Lucifer into the Cage, none of it would have been possible without Dean.

Without Dean, Sam would have been lost to his demon blood addiction, he wouldn't have been able to overpower Lucifer, and now, as it seems he's going to fall victim to his hallucinations, it's going to be Dean who anchors him and saves him -- therefore saving himself. Defining himself. Not losing himself.

Even if Sam is 'healed' through other means, it will be because of the inroads and sacrifices Dean has made over the years.

Here's my hope. Next two episode we deal with Sam's psychosis and (because this is Supernatural) he's saved from madness...somehow...but that saving takes its toll on Dean. That leaves us with 6 episodes to focus on the Leviathans (and some MotW thrown in for good measure).

I want Dean to be the one to take out Dick Roman -- and that whatever he goes through to help save Sam this time comes into play in that moment. They dropped a ball (I thought) with not using the fact that he literally died to get Sam's soul back...they can regroup here.

I don't blame you for your funk...mid-season slumps are the worst because you really want to believe but aren't sure if you should and would hate to be misled.

But I say hang in there because there's enormous potential still here for Dean's story to hit a high note.

I hope that helps...?
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(Anonymous)
Feb. 19th, 2012 04:47 am (UTC)
In A Mad World Only The Mad Are Sane
I actually liked and was a bit disturbed by this ep. It got me wringing with anciptation for the next ep(Mar 16th.. or 9th)because now it seems like now things are gonna get interesting.*rubs hands eagerly* And, I was disturbed by this ep because he killed the dog! :( I had a small thought of worry when the dog first appeared and I was right. What can I say, I'm a dog person. lol By the way is it just me or did that dog look a like Jensen's dog Icarus? lol

This episode actually got me thinking about the aftermath of other people Sam and Dean have exorcised over the years. Jeffery aside, have their life went spiraling down or are they like Sam pretending everything is hunky dory? And how tiring can that be, knowing that your world isn't what you think it is anymore after demons invaded it. Great, now I'm sad. lol

Again, we did the brain sharing thing. lol Your thoughts on Dean and Sam are basically the same as mine and you've summed it up perfectly. I have envisioned in my head in the future eps that have yet to come is that Dean will possibly break as well, buuuut... I have a feeling we're gonna see like the dark side of Dean. Like, he's gonna be scary hunter dude when he starts gunning for Dick Roman. I don't know but that's what I pictured in my head when reading your thoughts on that. Because we have already seen Dean tired and give in into the Michael Angel condom thing, we've seen him break from his confession after being in Hell so the next emotion I'm guessing he'll show is pure rage. *shrugs* I could be wrong. lol But Sam on the other hand. I honestly don't know how they're gonna resolve that because judging from what I saw from the promo, I don't see a quick angel healing sort of fix because they're already tried with "The Great Wall"... but if they do do something like that I'm gonna be annoyed because that's too easy! lol

Oh, I heard what the demon said before going poof is "He'll be back. Back in black." and yeah I thought of AC/DC too but then quickly thought of Dick Roman but he didn't go anywhere I'm guessing he's around surrounded by his bodyguards of wide mouths. So Lucifer? Yellow Eyes? *shrugs* Don't know. :D lol

Glad to hear that your husband is fine now. No need to apologized about it. ;) TTFN

-Crash_n_Burn
gaelicspirit
Feb. 26th, 2012 04:48 am (UTC)
Re: In A Mad World Only The Mad Are Sane
Hi you -- so sorry for the lag-time on this reply.

This episode actually got me thinking about the aftermath of other people Sam and Dean have exorcised over the years.

Me too! I'm sure there are those who are grateful and normal, but there are probably just as many who are walking wounded. Would be worth a story exploring it, don't you think?

I have a feeling we're gonna see like the dark side of Dean. Like, he's gonna be scary hunter dude when he starts gunning for Dick Roman.

I'm actually kinda maybe a little bit possibly looking forward to that. I want him to take that bastard out. I know, I know...vengeance doesn't solve anything, revenge eats people up...but I think Dean needs to do this. He needs to be the one to physically save the world this time -- not just in support or word or theory. But by making the bad thing GONE.

Hubs isn't...fine, exactly. Actually we have a pretty long road ahead of us. But he's not in the hospital anymore. :) So that's good! Thanks for the well wishes. :)
iontas
Feb. 19th, 2012 07:03 am (UTC)
Glad your husband is feeling better. I just finished your update at 2am, so I will probably give a better comment tomorrow. Overall this episode was more intense and scary than they have been in awhile. The library scene and even the forked tongue creeped me out big time. So I thought that it was great. I too was confused about just when 4 years ago was. I am still not sure, but I like your idea. More tomorrow....
gaelicspirit
Feb. 26th, 2012 05:00 am (UTC)
I'm so sorry this took me awhile to get back to you.

The forked tongue was shocking and creepy and made me laugh in surprise.

I think the consensus is that it was S4...which in retrospect makes sense, but was still a bit confusing. ;)

Thank you for reading and coming by!
annie200
Feb. 19th, 2012 08:42 am (UTC)
Thanks for managing to get this written at all Gaelic, given the circumstances.\
Like you, I was glad to see the story move on, and at this point I'm pretty convinced that TPTB have realised that the Leviathans have turned out to be dud villains and so are concentrating on this story instead. (Remember how the mother of All line just kind of petered out?)
Obviously they'll be back, but essentially I find Sam's and Dean's struggle much more interesting anyway.
I found this whole episode pretty creepy, and I thought Mark P did a wonderful job so I'm psyched to see what happens next but terribly frustrated that I have to wait until Mar 16th.
I have mixed feelings about Cas returning.I think he had lived his usefulness as a plot device..a quick whooosh and the boys were all better, so I hope the writers have found an interesting and "realistic"(hee..how can I write that about Spn?) way to bring him back.
Is it March 16th yet?

gaelicspirit
Feb. 26th, 2012 05:08 am (UTC)
HI! So sorry it took me so long to get back to you.

I am really hoping the have an idea up their sleeves, re: Leviathans. I am not a fan of a repeat Mother of All performance....

Sam and Dean's struggles are definitely more interesting than any baddie, but at the same time...I want their struggle to have meaning to the overall storyline, y'know?

I hope the writers have found an interesting and "realistic"(hee..how can I write that about Spn?) way to bring him back.

Agreed! I'm interested in seeing how this plays out for sure... :)

Thanks for reading and commenting. See you after the 16th. :)
cathy1967
Feb. 19th, 2012 09:28 am (UTC)
Aw, don't worry about being late. RL comes first, no matter what. Everything okay with the hubs, I hope?

What an outstanding episode this was. Yes, there were little things to nitpick about, but in the overall picture they don't matter much.

And it suddenly struck me while I was watching. Sam's hanging on by his fingernails here. THAT's why he's still scared of clowns. He's so far worn down that I get the feeling that any little fear he might ever have had would be ten-folded. So, yeah, I totally get it now. *sniff* Man, I feel sorry for him.

I must say, unlike you, I do think that there is more to Hallucifer than it just being in Sam's mind. He spent 1½ years (Earth time, which is what ... 150 years Hell time?) being tortured and messed with by Lucifer and maybe even Michael as well, since they were both in the cage with Sam and the elusive Adam. So ... I don't think it's too far fetched to assume that a part of Lucifer came back with Sam, that the Devil himself has a pipeline into Sam's brain. And, let's face it, Luci doesn't have much else to do than torture Sam. There's also the fact that Cas only brought back his body and left his soul in Hell for that long. Bad angle! *shakes finger* And who knows what Death's real incentive was to bring back Sam's soul? We don't know if he's good or evil or just doing his job. Dean threatened him and that doesn't seem to sit well with the guy, so maybe he allowed the connection to remain, made a deal with Luci or whatever. Anyway ...

The connection is obviously weak and as long as Sam doesn't acknowledge him and 'knows' he's just in his brain, he can handle it. But the second Sam acknowledged him, Luci's power over him started to grow and judging by next episode's preview ... it won't stop there.

How they are going to fix that? I have no idea. I find it hard to believe that Sam is expected to live with that kind of crazy for the rest of his natural life and not go completely bonkers from it. My mom has a friend who's daughter is schizophrenic. She's a very sweet girl, but very childlike even though she's 40. During her bad periods (when she's off the meds because she has convinced herself she doesn't need them) she sees things crawling on the walls and voices are telling her to do evil things. She will never be able to live a normal life. Her mind is too damaged from this and there is no way she can exist and pretend to be normal. She simple does not have the capacity to pretend. And I kinda see Sam's condition as being similar. It's sort of split personality where the second personality is trying to harm you. I just don't see this ending well if they don't find a way to banish Lucifer from Sam's mind for good. There has to be away. I won't accept that he has to live with that for the rest of his life. *sniff*

Apart from that ... hey, you know me, I agree with you on everything. Wonderful ramble yet again.

And boo hiss on having to wait until March 9, which is the date I've found (according to Wikipedia and E!Online http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernatural_%28season_7%29). I hate these breaks. I understand the need for them, but I hate them. :)

P.S. Oh bugger. I forgot to mention that you're not the only one who chuckled at Mark's portrayal of Luci. He's that good, isn't he? :D Curiously enough, though, I don't find him hilarious at all when he's downright torturing Sam. As long as Sam can cope, I find Luci funny. The second the control was gone, I just found him evil and mean and in need of a good whacking-over-the-head-with-a-baseball-bat. Don't mess with my boys! *shakes finger at Luci*

P.P.S.: Just found out that yeah, show's not coming back until March 16. *grrr* But hey ... at least it comes back, right? And that might mean fewer or shorter hiatuses (or whatever that's called when it's more than one) for the rest of the season. Still, boo hiss.

Edited at 2012-02-22 07:42 am (UTC)
gaelicspirit
Feb. 26th, 2012 05:25 am (UTC)
OMG, so sorry it's taken me half of forever to get back to you.

I do think that there is more to Hallucifer than it just being in Sam's mind. He spent 1½ years (Earth time, which is what ... 150 years Hell time?) being tortured and messed with by Lucifer and maybe even Michael as well, since they were both in the cage with Sam and the elusive Adam. So ... I don't think it's too far fetched to assume that a part of Lucifer came back with Sam, that the Devil himself has a pipeline into Sam's brain.

I think it'll be interesting to find out which theory is correct when this part of the storyline plays out. I'm not one to tell anyone they're wrong; people just see things differently sometimes is all. :)

I do agree about the split personality theory, though. That's exactly how it appears to me as well.

And no, when he's torturing Sam -- like that bit at the end with the fire, or the scene in the library with the face smashing -- Mark P's Lucifer is decidedly UNfunny. But aside from that, there were moments of humor. :)

*sigh* Okay, so the 16th. I will put that time to good use and get cracking on that story that's been eating at me. ;)

Take care of you and I look forward to hearing from you again soon!!

msninacat
Feb. 19th, 2012 11:55 am (UTC)
One last thing before I start with the recap and the rest of my thinky thoughts. I have to confess something. I was completely entertained, and often even amused…by Mark Pellegrino’s Hallucifer.

Don’t judge me.


I DON'T! I just gone done saying that Mark is AMAZING at being creepy and amusing at the same time. lol

Anyway, the demon screams out a name – Merrick, down in New Orleans – and Dean immediately begins to Latinate and send the demon packing. Now I want a story about them heading to New Orleans after this Merrick….

That would be great, seeing as I think I was the only one that laughed because Merrick is a Vampire in Anne Rice's Vampire Chronicles which largely take place in New Orleans. /random dorking. lol

It’s so much the same as the way we first saw Jeffrey that for a moment I thought that was Jeffrey and the guy that had led Dean here was some spirit or projection or something.

I thought it was a Leviathan that had struck a deal with a demon and shape shifted. Nothing would have been good.

I'm sure someone told you but we're not back until the 16th now. *sigh*

Also, I was right along with you. I think the most telling thing is that Sam's hallucination of Lucifer was actually helping him solve things. I'm not sure what I think that means but it's almost positive in a way. Like if he can't make him disappear at least he can be helpful? Idk I'm tired again. Also, do not feel bad because I was laughing at Lucifer the whole ep too. It was just too dead on.

I wish I had felt like being more thinky with you but I'm just getting to these when I'm worn out. Sorry. Love them as always!

Sorry for all the edits but I wanted to make sure everything was well from the ER visit and wish you good thoughts with that. ♥

Edited at 2012-02-19 11:57 am (UTC)
gaelicspirit
Feb. 26th, 2012 03:47 pm (UTC)
I felt so...so wrong for chuckling at Mark P's performance. I mean, he's Lucifer for Pete's sake...but up until the end, he seemed like...an annoying cousin you don't want hanging around.

I thought of Merrick the Vampire in Anne Rice's books, too. All of her books took place in and around New Orleans, didn't they?

Yeah, the 16th. *sits on hands* That's awhile to wait. But I bet it's not the last break before the finale. If we have 8 episodes left, that would put the finale on May 4th...which just seems kind early. Guess we'll find out... :)

I think the most telling thing is that Sam's hallucination of Lucifer was actually helping him solve things.

Yeah, that's one of the reasons it makes me think the hallucination is part of Sam's psyche -- split and created due to his trauma in Hell.


I wish I had felt like being more thinky with you but I'm just getting to these when I'm worn out.


Oh, no worries. I write them when I'm worn out! LOL! It's one of the reasons it takes me so long to reply to you...I'm waiting for coherency. ;)

Thank you for reading and taking time to share your thoughts. I always, always appreciate it.
kimmer1227
Feb. 19th, 2012 02:53 pm (UTC)
Thanks for your ramble!

I think things are building up quite nicely. It's gonna be a hella finish. With tears and angst. *gulp*

gaelicspirit
Feb. 26th, 2012 03:48 pm (UTC)
Thank you for reading! :)

It's gonna be a hella finish. With tears and angst.

Yes. Yes I believe you're right.
juppschmitz
Feb. 19th, 2012 02:57 pm (UTC)
Hi there!

You amaze me, you really do! You go on a trip to the other side of the world. You take your husband to the ER (hope the two of you are coping!) and you apologize for posting your ramble later than usual? Seriously, girl! No apologies needed!!

...we hypothesized that serial killers were actually possessed by demons… the humans had this ‘spark’ in them that the demons honed in on. Once possessed, the demons exploited that ‘spark’ and basically turned the human host into the killer they were ‘meant to be.’

Wow, this is an interesting thought. One that could lead to serious theological/philosophical discussion. As in what is it that makes a person do evil things. In SPN verse would that mean that in order to be possessed by a demon do you have to have this evil "spark"? Which would be awesome in my head canon because, you know, Dean has - so far - , unlike John, Bobby, or Sam, never been possessed.

And don't quote anti-possession tattoos to me. I mean, how easy would it be to break one of those? And I'm sure there's been no lack of opportunity for demons to try and get into Dean. So, no evil spark in Dean? Just what I've been thinking all the time. Virile manifestation of the Divine, indeed! My hero. *sighs*

So, this episode. Sadly, it didn't have an emotional impact on me at all. TBH I got bored with the whole Great Wall of Sam about two episodes after it got first mentioned. And then it did break and I still only find it boring. Maybe it's because of the whole Sam-went-to-hell-and-he-got-it-worse-so-suck-it-up-Dean thing. Maybe because up to now it hasn't really been threatening as such. Not even really that scary imo.

On the contrary, I truly found Lucifer quite amusing, in a Spike kind of way. Maybe it's just because I'm not a Sam girl. At all. Or maybe it's Jared Padalecki. Idk. I just don't relate to him and his portrayal of Sam.

Then again, the bit at the end? When Sam couldn't hand-press Lucifer away and Lucifer said Something's definitely different now, isn't it? You let me in. You wanted me, partner. If this really was Lucifer from the cage, and not just a manifestation of Sam's subconscious? Now, that could lead to interesting developments.

Plus, still, I'm like, hello? Dean went to hell, too, you know. And he may not have hallucinations, but he sure still has PTSD. He still has his real hell memories. He has to live his real life everyday fully conscious of his guilt. With his depression. Taking care of his brother whenever he let's him in on his hallucination-problems. Going after MotWs and a new Evil Race threatening to end mankind. With no friends or familiy to turn to and his only weapons alcohol and "effective" pills.

Yeah, as always, I have no clue where Show is going and I'm only too happy to let them surprise me. As long as Dean gets enough screen time I'll be okay. Shallow me.

Thanks for your ramble and let life treat you well!
gaelicspirit
Feb. 26th, 2012 04:14 pm (UTC)
HI! I'm here! SO sorry it took so long. One ER visit was apparently not enough. We had to add another and then a hospital stay. But now he's home and I'm trying to get things back on track. So here goes! :)

One that could lead to serious theological/philosophical discussion. As in what is it that makes a person do evil things.

That's exactly what we thought! Was it possible for human beings to be inherently evil, or were they pushed over the edge by an outside force?

So, no evil spark in Dean? Just what I've been thinking all the time

Yeah, I'm with you here, too. I mean, there's a reason he hasn't been possessed when literally everyone else around him and important to him has. There's a reason he was Michael's sword. A reason he was able to kill the Bitch of Babylon (or whatever her name was...you know who I mean).

I can only hope that our trust in this reason comes (somehow) to fruition.

If this really was Lucifer from the cage, and not just a manifestation of Sam's subconscious? Now, that could lead to interesting developments.

Yeah, I'll be interested to see which theory is right when all is said and done, because there are plausible reasons for both arguments to be valid.

Plus, still, I'm like, hello? Dean went to hell, too, you know. And he may not have hallucinations, but he sure still has PTSD.

YES! Sam gives Dean a hard time about his drinking -- understandable, sure, because Sam needs Dean to be whole and with him and able. But just as Sam has his hand-rubbing, Dean has his drinking. And he's had to deal with Post Hell Stress Disorder while also doing his job a lot longer than Sam has.

Not to mention the fact that he had to deal with soulless Sam during that time.

I have no clue where Show is going and I'm only too happy to let them surprise me. As long as Dean gets enough screen time I'll be okay.

With you there, sister. :) Can never get too much Dean, to my way of thinking.

Thanks so much for reading and taking time to reply. I hope the fewer comments that have been coming through are more indicative of a lack of time rather than a lessening of interest (in either the ramble or the show). I'm really glad to see you each episode. :)
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ladyarcherfan3
Feb. 19th, 2012 06:42 pm (UTC)
Wonderful Ramble as always - and never worry about being delayed, we will be here when you get around to it.

I was completely entertained, and often even amused…by Mark Pellegrino’s Hallucifer.

Don’t judge me.


No judgement here! I was the same. But I've always liked Pellegrino's Lucifer - I think it is his nonchalant arrogance. He's not what you think of when you think Lucifer, you know? But still manages to be be creepy and terrifying.

As much as I want to see the pay off to the build up of the broken wall and Hallucifer, and all that, I honestly am beginning to get terrified. Sam is breaking my heart because he just wants to handle it on his own, Dean's breaking my heart because he's struggling himself ... and as you said it's gonna get dark. I'm just worried for the boys and where this could lead them. *hides behind hands but peeks through fingers*

In this episode, I found myself reminded of a story I wrote with a good friend (sojourner84) called Devil Inside (after the INXS song). In that story, we hypothesized that serial killers were actually possessed by demons…
You have to be slightly physic or something, you've done similar things before (Frontierland and your Heroes for Ghosts story comes to mind).

Overall, I thought the episode was pretty good, with a feeling that the rest of the season was being set up along with some pay off for all the hints and angst from eariler. The idea with Jeffery being a serial killer groomed by a demon was interesting to me, kinda going back to Dean's declarations that he gets demons but people are just crazy. The idea that Hallucifer was just a part of Sam and not the actual Lucifer was always my theory, though the latter is frightening to contemplate.

As a Dean girl, I'd love to see Dean pulling himself together to take care of his little brother, which has been his job and identity his entire life but he seems to be losing that a bit - recall the moment at then end of "Time for A Wedding" where Sam says that maybe Dean could focus on being himself and Dean's rather frightened and worried look at the thought. Helping Sam would give Dean his focus and direction he needs. At the same time, I want Sam to fight this battle and win, because he has been fighting outside forces that rather take over his mind for a long time (going back to the demon blood and visions even).

Now, it's the wait for the next episode to see where everything goes. I'll stop blathering.

Thanks again, and take care of yourself.
gaelicspirit
Feb. 26th, 2012 04:19 pm (UTC)
Hi there!! I'm finally able to reply - apologies for taking so long.

He's not what you think of when you think Lucifer, you know? But still manages to be be creepy and terrifying.

No...but y'know, maybe he should be? Coyly seductive and disarming so that you think, hey, he isn't so bad...until he is.

Maybe I'm just to 'into' the show...which is why some of my storylines align to theirs. ;)

Helping Sam would give Dean his focus and direction he needs. At the same time, I want Sam to fight this battle and win, because he has been fighting outside forces that rather take over his mind for a long time (going back to the demon blood and visions even).

Yes, and I'll go one further and say I want Sam to defeat his inner demons so that when (I say 'when' with hope) Dean defeats the other bad guys (Leviathans), his brother can be there for him, to help him pick up the pieces.

See you back here after the episode on the 16th! :)
dripri
Feb. 19th, 2012 07:16 pm (UTC)
Hey there, I hope everyone is feeling better. An ER trip is no picnic for everyone involved. My sympathies.

I too spent time thinking about the 4 yrs ago time frame. I instinctively thought we were looking at post hell torture trained Dean, but couldn't figure out how that equaled season three. I think your suggestion of the show counting the Lost Lisa year may be correct. Why do we obsess about these things? I can't talk about Sam's hair/sideburns. Honestly, he could do better.

Loved the glimpse of our sleek, shiny black friend, the Impala! Hi Impala! You have been missed.

I got very upset at the dog slaying. I love animals, and killing this friendly, trustful animal made my heart sink. Furthermore, it didn't move the plot along in any meaningful way. Blood of the exorcist is supposed to very be powerful. Jeffery killed 3 women, need a heart, choose one. The dog killing was just disturbing.

I liked Mark P.'s Lucifer. He added humor this episode needed. I found the forked tongue funny/squeemy. Lucifer is consistently engaging. When he was walking on earth, he was engaging people in sympathetic conversation, trying to sway people to seeing him as a victim of his family squabble (you know, epic battle w/ Michael, being cast down to hell). Here he is trying to engage Sam intellectually (Sam's prideful weak spot) to solve a puzzle and is successful at gaining Sam's attention.

I believe Lucifer is Sam's hallucination, part of Sam's mind. I don't believe any part of Lucifer is hanging around. Sam isn't thinking things through as he is trying to figure out what is happening to Dean. He is too distracted to consciously see the facts. It is the Luci hallucination that has the clarity Sam is used to having. Sam knows it is a hallucination and is not confused about being in hell. Sam seems to be to the point he needs the hallucination to function, especially when he was emotionally upset about Dean.

I see the hallucination as almost like having a split personality that wishes you ill will. So much for Sam thinking he feels absolved from his past transgressions. I think his hallucination is carrying some his guilt and is partly why he is feeling Lucifer's punishment. It is Sam's mind that is torturing himself.

I'm glad the Fall of the Wall is finally taking place(if I understood the preview correctly). This storyline has become almost annoying how long this issue has lingered. We've been dealing w/ Sam's damaged soul since before Sam got it back. I'm looking forward to seeing where this goes. I'm hoping we see how this effects Dean instead of the focus being on Sam's pain (and subsequent meds, nothing wrong with a chemically induced day).

I have no idea how the devil's trap got on the ceiling of the same room the demon raising ritual happened. No one that I could tell had time for that and Jeffery certainly wouldn't do it. That is a big inconsistency since it helps send the demon back to hell. I hate when that happens.

On the plus side, I love Dean in that henley shirt he wore when the boys first arrived at the motel. I also thought he looked good when addressing Nora in her office. Of course, I always think Dean looks good so I suppose my opinion is not note worthy.

Looking forward to the next installment, sometime in March(?).
gaelicspirit
Feb. 26th, 2012 07:31 pm (UTC)
Hi there! I'm here. Sorry it took me so long. Yeah, ER trips are no fun, but with his Crohn's disease, we find ourselves there more than we want to count. This time it ended up being three ER visits and an overnight hospital stay due to the med reaction. Long. Week.

I believe Lucifer is Sam's hallucination, part of Sam's mind. I don't believe any part of Lucifer is hanging around. Sam isn't thinking things through as he is trying to figure out what is happening to Dean. He is too distracted to consciously see the facts. It is the Luci hallucination that has the clarity Sam is used to having. Sam knows it is a hallucination and is not confused about being in hell. Sam seems to be to the point he needs the hallucination to function, especially when he was emotionally upset about Dean.

This is where I sit as well, but I can also see valid arguments for it actually being Lucifer, or part of him. I'll be interested to see how it comes together in the end. In the meantime, I'm going to go into the next episodes with a "it's part of Sam" thought process until/unless I'm proven otherwise.

And, yeah, I'm with you on the split personality trying to harm you theory. That really resonates with me.

I'm hoping we see how this effects Dean instead of the focus being on Sam's pain (and subsequent meds, nothing wrong with a chemically induced day).

YES! This so very much.

The magically appearing Devil's Trap is a plot hole even I couldn't hand-wave, but I'm going to overlook it because...well, what else can we do?

I love Dean in that henley shirt he wore when the boys first arrived at the motel.

OMGYES. Dean + Henley = UNF *bits lip* Hey, sometimes, being shallow about our show is a beautiful thing.

Next one looks to be on March 16th -- I look forward to seeing you after that one! :)
primrose_1
Feb. 19th, 2012 07:43 pm (UTC)
I wish we had gotten a chance to see a bit more of Sam's struggle through the season, but, it sure was a bit of a shock to realize really how BAD Sam had it! Maybe that was the plan all along, to let you think he's mostly fine, but then to make you realize that he's not even close to fine- he's just coping.

My aunt has hallucinations. She's got advanced Parkinsons and that, brain surgery, and medications have really messed with her system. She's a sharp and amazing lady, but over the summer, I got the chance to talk to her. She said she was sitting in her room at the home she stays in, and suddenly the television caught on fire. She was yelling that there was a fire and they had to get out. When the hallucination went away, and she saw everyone was trying to calm her down, her comment was, "That just wasn't fair!" I thought of her as I saw what Sam was seeing, and it makes me just ache for Sam. Dean can't even guess at all of this!
gaelicspirit
Feb. 26th, 2012 07:36 pm (UTC)
Maybe that was the plan all along, to let you think he's mostly fine, but then to make you realize that he's not even close to fine- he's just coping.

Yeah, I think that's what they're hoping we take from it. Because -- if they focused on Sam's struggle throughout the season, they would have had to do some sort of balance with Dean, and there's just not enough room in the hour. Plus, I wonder how tedious it would have become had Sam been seeing Lucifer all along and Dean not see him -- but we would be seeing him. Y'know?

I wrote a story once called "Unseen Heroes" where Dean was 'haunted' by a ghoul named Eugene and we saw/heard Eugene and Dean saw/heard Eugene...but Sam didn't. Keeping that up and making Sam critical to the story was tough.

I think a full season of it -- or even a few more episode than what we got -- would have worn on us as viewers and pulled focus from Dean and we might've gotten used to having Luci around.

While it was a shock this time, it also drove the point home and had us looking back going, "Wow."

Oh, the story about your aunt had me rubbing my heart -- especially her saying it wasn't fair. :( That's so, so tough. I can't imagine what it would be like to not be able to trust what my eyes are telling me.

Thank you for reading and taking time to comment. I always appreciate it. :)
thruterryseyes
Feb. 19th, 2012 07:58 pm (UTC)
I really enjoyed Mark Pelligrino,in this one, there were so many moments that were priceless as he fought to get Sam's attention. The forked tongue sticking out, demanding that sam pay attention to him, then being so happy Sam actually spoke to him by saying shut up. Truly delightful.

I totally agree on Sam's hair, I was trying to see if thye had done anythgn to it to make him look like he did then, whic frankly was better hair and sideburn wise. I HATE his hair and sideburns, he looks sleazy.

Mrs. Havilock. Not Haviland.

When Dean left Jeffrey at the ER, beaten to hell and hlf dead and jeffery said Thank you in the most sincere voice it cracked me.

Yes, you probably understand this disease partneship pretty damned well.

I also enjoyed the way Lucifer wanted to participate in everything helpfully. "I'm just one of the guys, Sam, accept it"

I should have seen what happened with Jeffrey coming, I read a book once whjere a guy is being held in an abandoned building and one of the captors comes over to him and as the captor describes him: Has the gentle eyes and soft manners that he associated with genuine maniacs.

I alomost couldn't watch that part with the poeople in the library. Not the initital act but the fact that it went on and on.

Absolutely on the blood thing with Dean, I kept waiting to see blood pooling, something. Pain? throw us a bone here...

I KNEW he was gonna kill that damned dog. It was following him carrying it's Cone of Shame, there is no way i hell it would have lived after being that cute.

Also...did you notice, they went off camera to kill the dog. They kill people right here in front of everyone, in every horrible way possible but they take a dog off screen to kill it. That says something intersting about us as human beings even in make believce as to what is acceptable.

I felt bad for Sam but I shamelessly admit I was more interested in watching Dean sleep....
gaelicspirit
Feb. 26th, 2012 08:01 pm (UTC)
Mark P was awesome -- but as I realized when replying to another, I think his manner was wonderfully deceptive. Setting us (and Sam) off balance, getting us to laugh and disarming us with little-boy antics until BAM. He sets the room on fire around us. Devilish.

Haviland/Havlock...whatever. ;)

The library scene was probably THE most disturbing moment of the episode for me. And YES -- I wanted some blood on the ropes, on his sleeve, something. Even a bandage when he faceplants on the bed later would have been SOMETHING.

I think it's interesting that Jeffrey went off-screen to kill the dog. I wondered about the 'why' of that, y'know? I mean, they could have just not showed it...why did he take it away from Dean, too? That seemed pointless.


I felt bad for Sam but I shamelessly admit I was more interested in watching Dean sleep.


THIS. *grins*

Okay, so we have to wait until the 16th. That means when you visit, we'll get to watch one together! Yay!
ccase13
Feb. 19th, 2012 10:01 pm (UTC)
I am glad you and your husband are getting over the ER trip.
I thought that Hallucifer acted almost like an alternate personality of Sam, maybe a remnant of soulless Sam's type.

I agree that they were probably in season 4 and really enjoyed seeing the Impala.

I hated to see Sam not alert Dean that his mind is slipping but if it is not really Lucifer, it is much more likely that medical help will work once Sam gets bad enough that Dean takes him in.

I agree with several posters, that we should get to see Sam save Dean for a change. Maybe Dean's total devotion to others is what keeps him going in the face of impossible odds.
gaelicspirit
Feb. 26th, 2012 08:05 pm (UTC)
Re: I am glad you and your husband are getting over the ER trip.
One ER trip turned into two which culminated in an overnight stay, but NOW we're starting to get over it. :) Thank you for the well-wishes.

I thought that Hallucifer acted almost like an alternate personality of Sam, maybe a remnant of soulless Sam's type.

Yeah, that's where I am, too. But I can also see valid arguments that it's a piece of Lucifer, too. I'll be interested to see what the ultimate result is when this all plays out.

Yay! Impala! :)

I agree with several posters, that we should get to see Sam save Dean for a change. Maybe Dean's total devotion to others is what keeps him going in the face of impossible odds.

More than 'save' Dean, I want to see Sam care for Dean. We've seen Sam save him several times in the last few episodes -- killing the baddie when Dean hasn't, doesn't, of before it kills Dean.

What I would love to see is the aftermath...Dean hurt or unable to function for whatever reason, and Sam being there for him. But...maybe that's only meant for fanfiction...

I do agree that the devotion to others is what keeps Dean going -- especially because he has so little regard for himself.

Thanks so much for reading and replying. Love hearing from you.
jazzyirish
Feb. 19th, 2012 11:15 pm (UTC)
Hi Gaelic, wonderful insightful ramble as usual. It's hard to believe that you do these things after one viewing and get so much out of it! *amazes* Hope the hubs is feeling better. And does it seem that life just doesn't want you to get any sleep? :(

OK, I'm going to be honest here and say that as Edlund episodes go, this one wasn't my favorite. Too "talky" for my taste. Don't get me wrong, I love conversations between the boys and other recurring characters, but I honestly didn't care about Jeffrey. (and now that I think about it, maybe I subconsciously didn't care because he was a psycho. hmmm...) My other problem with the episode was that I found it hard to believe that these boys would cut and beat this guy to a pulp just to find info on more demons who might know the whereabouts of Lilith - even with Jeffrey's OK. And why would he OK that anyway? Clearly he enjoyed his kills and all the rest was "acting". I don't know, too many plot holes or possibly I'm too *thinky*. ;)

What I did like - the Impala, Luci and all his snark, seeing Dean's amulet and ring again, and of course, any glimpse of Dean.

I like your theory about Sam's hallucinations taking over as a catalyst for Dean finding his center - what he needs to carry on, to survive. Watching over Sam has always been job one, and I agree, Dean can't lose him again. I just hope that the writing focus isn't strictly on Sam and how he deals with it, but rather how this situation is affecting BOTH of them - their world falling apart on them in a whole new way. And yes, Sam must tell Dean that he can't control the hallucinations like he could before. I almost wonder if he was about to tell Dean before he asked if Dean was going to sleep at the end of the episode.

So, thanks for all your thoughts and another great ramble. Looks like it will be four weeks before another new episode - that seems to be the consensus. In the meantime, take good care of you.

Until next time,
Irish
gaelicspirit
Feb. 26th, 2012 08:09 pm (UTC)
I think the universe has it in for me. I haven't slept more than 4 or 5 hours a night in months. It's nutty. Hubs is doing a little better. One ER visit turned into two, which grew to an overnight stay. Was a really bad reaction. But I think (hope) we're on the upswing. (PS - I have a f-locked post with details.)

Yeah, there was definitely a feeling of 'disconnect' for me as well -- which I equated to the shifting of gears. I almost felt like I was betraying one of my favorite SPN writers for feeling that way. LOL! But you feeling the same just validates it for me.

What I did like - the Impala, Luci and all his snark, seeing Dean's amulet and ring again, and of course, any glimpse of Dean.

YES. :)

Watching over Sam has always been job one, and I agree, Dean can't lose him again. I just hope that the writing focus isn't strictly on Sam and how he deals with it, but rather how this situation is affecting BOTH of them - their world falling apart on them in a whole new way.

Yes -- and me, too. I get that we have to deal with Sam's story or everything they gave us about his hellish experiences would be pointless. But...and you know this...I watch for Dean and how Sam's plight affects Dean and I really want to see that.

See you after the episode on the 16th. Hope life treats you well until then. :)
bagginsdvm
Feb. 20th, 2012 01:01 am (UTC)
I'm glad your hubby is better & hope you all got to enjoy the rest of this weekend.
Thanks so much for doing these rambles & recaps. My frakkin' local CW station once again screwed up the broadcast & ran commercials over some scenes, so at least I know what happened during the scenes I missed.

I'm still a little confused about whether the guys' first encounter with the talent scout demon & Jeffrey was during season 3 or 4. Initially I thought season 4 due to Dean's torture techniques; they just seemed too post-Hell trip Dean to me. The way both brothers beat Jeffrey was brutal & disturbing, & probably unnecessary considering that a demon isn't likely to crack under human physical punishment like that. Yes, Sam's hair was too "now". I did crack a huge smile at the sight of the Impala, however!

I hope it is true about what Hallucifer said about it being months since Sam last acknowledged him. Those hallucinations in the library were brutal, & if Sam had to experience visions like those on a daily basis, I don't know how he could manage to hide that from Dean or anyone else. I jumped as much as Sam did when those started!

I really enjoy Mark Pellegrino's Lucifer too! Sticking out his forked tongue, his childish behavior & snide comments & glee at being acknowledged when Sam told him to shut up. He is creepily endearing in a way, a very sick way...

I felt sympathy for Jeffrey until the warehouse, then I got the feeling something was wrong with him. I was worried for the dog too. She was too adorable, especially as she carried her E-collar while trotting off to her doom. I gave a cheer when Dean put 2 slugs in Jeffrey's chest.

It certainly looks like things are amping up & the boys are in for it with the coming episodes. Sam was paralyzed with the realization that his coping mechanism had utterly failed & he had truly let Hallucifer back into his head in that final scene. His brother lay just feet away, oblivious to Sam's plight, but Dean will be crushed when he awakens. Sam can't hide it anymore.

Yeah, it looks like we've got to wait until March 16th for a Episode 16. I'm hearing there will be some repeats on Thursday nights in the meantime. Does that mean Friday repeats too?

Thanks!


gaelicspirit
Feb. 26th, 2012 08:12 pm (UTC)
Well, that weekend dissolved into multiple ER visits and an overnight stay making the following week very, very long and now it's another weekend and I'm finally getting to you! So sorry about that wait.

I think the upon further reflection -- and after reading other comments -- I'm going with S4 timeframe for the flashback.

He is creepily endearing in a way, a very sick way...

Yes, and it occurred to me while replying to other comments that this is exactly how Lucifer/Satan would act, isn't it? He'd seduce us into trusting him, believing him, working with him...and then when he had us hooked, he'd light up the fire all around us. *shudders*


It certainly looks like things are amping up & the boys are in for it with the coming episodes.


I know! *rubs hands gleefully* I can't wait to see how it all rolls out.

I look forward to seeing you after the episode on the 16th! Thanks for taking time to read and reply.
spike247uk
Feb. 20th, 2012 01:29 pm (UTC)
Thank you so much for the recap considering all the trauma of your hubby going to hospital ;o( Hope he is resting well now x

I don't know how I feel about Sam trying to cope on his own, he keeps acting like Dean is his touch stone but when push comes to shove, he doesn't reach out for him.

I'm worried for our boys.....
gaelicspirit
Feb. 26th, 2012 08:15 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the good wishes. One ER visit turned into two and a hospital stay, but things are (hopefully) on the upswing now.

I don't know how I feel about Sam trying to cope on his own, he keeps acting like Dean is his touch stone but when push comes to shove, he doesn't reach out for him.

Yeah, I struggle with this, too, trying to see it from Sam's POV -- is it fear? is it doubt? is it shame? What stops him from saying, "Dean, he's back, he's here now, and I need your help."

It's frustrating to me seeing it from Dean's POV -- he can't do anything about fixing things he doesn't even know are happening, y'know?

I look forward to how they roll the rest of this out. I look forward to seeing you as we play on! :)
jesters_tear82
Feb. 20th, 2012 08:31 pm (UTC)
Great ramble this time around, seems like you're at your best when your thinky thoughts take hold of the stream of consciousness, then it's more a review than a recap, which is awesome. Hello Gaelic's muse *waves* Oh & Welcome back Impala *wondering if the two are connected* ;)

- Interesting how everyone remembered 4 years ago could be either season 3 or 4, I forgot about the gap & assumed it was 3 but 4 makes so much more sense!

- Didn't know you wrote another story with Sojourner84! Such a miss since "Sunday Bloody Sunday" is a favorite. OK adding it to my list..

- Ben Edlund is known for his quirky writing, so no surprise his Luci is so - "fetching", shall we call it? Loved him referring to himself by that name LOL :) Another thing I've noticed is: this is the second ep Edlund wrote this season where the "monster" turns out to be something completely different (we didn't get the Jersey Devil on HTWF&IM!) Man, does he enjoy playing with us or what :) Here they did get me to feel sorry for Jeffrey.. until he big reveal. I thought the actor chosen played the role perfectly. & how creepy was the demon/Jeffrey slow dance? Yuck!!

- I'm not sure Sam hasn't seen Luci for months, he was rubbing the hell out of his hand - no pun intended - but maybe he was ignoring him just like he tried to do here, & having all the latest occurrences (Dean almost dying, being chased by evil clowns etc.) made Sam more vulnerable to Luci's advances. I share your opinion - we could be wrong though - that Luci is a part of Sam's psyche, representing his memories of the cage and the "evil" part of Sam he's trying to repress. By the end he was counting on this "other side of himself" too much & once he let those memories "in" they took hold, like a broken dam. I was literally screaming at the
screen for him to wake Dean up, I'm counting on him reaching out to his brother ASAP! Your chronic disease analogy was so fitting to their situation, they're both going to feel the impact now (& I want show to let us see those moments of breaking of not only Sam & his "sickness" but how it effects Dean as well). There're lots of innuendoes to Dean's condition - it's time to go deeper, don't you think?

*wanna fast forward 2/3 weeks & see what happens*

Got a few more words I'll save for my e-mail reply, my eyes are shutting on their own accord here.. talk soon my brave friend *hugs*
gaelicspirit
Feb. 26th, 2012 08:20 pm (UTC)
SO sorry this took so long. But you know why. :)

Hello Gaelic's muse *waves* Oh & Welcome back Impala *wondering if the two are connected* ;)

This had me chuckling. I have a toy Impala that sits next to me when I write. Maybe they are connected. Something you said had me thinking, though -- do I detract from the review part by trying to get all the details in the recap part? Should I work more on telling you what I thought about what happened rather than telling you what happened? I need to think on that a tad.

The "Devil Inside" story she and I wrote when we were both still part of the SPN Virtual Seasons. It was the last story I wrote for them. It's posted on my LJ and ff.net pages now, though.

I'm not sure Sam hasn't seen Luci for months, he was rubbing the hell out of his hand - no pun intended - but maybe he was ignoring him just like he tried to do here, & having all the latest occurrences (Dean almost dying, being chased by evil clowns etc.) made Sam more vulnerable to Luci's advances

Very true. He had been rubbing his hand all along -- this time was just really 'in your face' so I was surprised. But I bet you're right that the events of the last few episodes could very easily have worn him down.

I will be interested to see which theory -- real or in Sam's head -- is true when it comes to Hallucifer. I can see both as plausible, but I'm sticking with the 'in his head' theory for now.

There're lots of innuendoes to Dean's condition - it's time to go deeper, don't you think?

I DO think. I hope they go there -- and I can't wait to see what happens next! :)

See you soon(ish)!
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qultng1
Feb. 21st, 2012 01:34 am (UTC)
I REALLY enjoyed this episode a lot, except for the killing the dog part. I don't read books or watch movies with dogs in them because they always die!!! I don't mind it when people get killed, because they have a choice and can defend. Animals don't have a choice and are usually fooled by false love or something. :( I HATED that part!!!!!

For me the highlight of the whole episode was Mark Pellegrino's return. I adore him and he does an amazing job as Lucifer. He cracks me up and makes me shudder sometimes all at the same time.

I'll be very interested to see where they go with this whole story line. Like you, I'm frustrated with Sam that he doesn't tell Dean that Luci's back. I thought some time ago that they'd sort of agreed to not keep secrets. *sigh*
gaelicspirit
Feb. 26th, 2012 08:23 pm (UTC)
Hi there -- so sorry it's taken me awhile to get back to you. Been kind of a hellacious week, but I think we're on the upswing.

Mark P's performance of Lucifer was inspired -- and it came to me as I was replying to comments that it was a lot the way I imagine the real thing as behaving...seducing us, disarming us, convincing us that it's okay, just a little bit can't hurt...and suddenly he's in our brains and our hearts and lighting the fire up all around us.

*shudders*

I'll be very interested to see where they go with this whole story line. Like you, I'm frustrated with Sam that he doesn't tell Dean that Luci's back. I thought some time ago that they'd sort of agreed to not keep secrets.

Yeah, same here. I have high hopes for all the potential they still have available to mine in the last 8 episodes. I look forward to seeing where they go next!!

Take care of you and thank you for coming by.
juppschmitz
Feb. 21st, 2012 10:00 am (UTC)
Hi. It's me, again.

I just need to get something off my chest here. Now, I don't want to start a wank or anything. And I'm aware that everyone is different and everyone is entitled to their feelings and opinions. But...

I find myself deeply disturbed by some comments this week. Those comments are

Killing the dog was unforgiveable and unnecesary. I love animals more than people so once he killed the dog, Jeffrey had absolutely no chance of redemption.

I was disturbed by this ep because he killed the dog!

Jeffery killed 3 women, need a heart, choose one. The dog killing was just disturbing.

I felt sympathy for Jeffrey until the warehouse, then I got the feeling something was wrong with him. I was worried for the dog too. She was too adorable, especially as she carried her E-collar while trotting off to her doom. I gave a cheer when Dean put 2 slugs in Jeffrey's chest.

I don't mind it when people get killed, because they have a choice and can defend.


I have a feeling thruterryseyes' comment (Also...did you notice, they went off camera to kill the dog. They kill people right here in front of everyone, in every horrible way possible but they take a dog off screen to kill it. That says something intersting about us as human beings even in make believce as to what is acceptable.) kind of expresses what I think here.

I know I find myself chuckle when somebody is killed in a particularly outrageous way (nail gun through the eye!). And I do say I'd wish they let suffer Dean just a little bit more. But - these are fictional characters with fictional plot lines. In real life all I'd wish for Dean was a happy apple pie life. And for people not to get killed violently.

So considering this is a fictional world it didn't upset me that they killed the dog, adorable as it might have been.

Jeffrey killed 3 women...The dog killing was just disturbing.

I felt sympathy for Jeffrey until the warehouse... I gave a cheer when Dean put 2 slugs in Jeffrey's chest.

It's just. Idek. Getting all hot and bothered about a dog getting killed but cheering when a person gets killed or accepting that 3 women get killed - sure, use one of those hearts seeing as those girls don't need them anymore - but finding a dog getting killed disturbing (and Dean didn't kill Jeffrey for killing the dog or even those women, he's not an executioner, at least not of humans; he killed him in self-defense!)?

Yes, this upsets me. A lot.

(Now gaelic, don't feel you have to take a side or defend one pov or the other. I realize I'm just stating my personal opinion. I just needed to vocalize this.)

Sorry, folks!


gaelicspirit
Feb. 26th, 2012 08:33 pm (UTC)
Hey you! Thanks for taking a moment to share this with me. I don't know how many people aside from yourself take time to read the other comments or my replies to them. It's interesting to see you call out this theme in the responses.

I was bothered by the dog being killed, but mainly because it's one of those cinema themes I enjoy -- despite the odds, the dog lives. The movies where that has not been the case ("I Am Legend" comes to mind...when he had to kill Sam...GUUUHHH) I've not liked as much as I might've otherwise.

I think that, for me, it's because the animal represents an innocence that humans don't always hold onto -- despite the fact that they are victims. It's simply perception. Unless we're talking Cujo or something, y'know?

I know you said I didn't have to defend one POV or the other, but you were upset by this and that bothers me, so I feel compelled to say something because you're completely entitled to share this thought.

When replying to Terry's comment, I said I thought it was strange that Jeffrey took the dog off-screen. I mean, they could have just not showed what happened, had the same noise, Dean's reaction, all of that. I didn't really get the point of him taking the action away from Dean's sight...unless he just didn't want to have to see the dog's body afterwards or something. *shrug*

I think a lot of it has to do with conditioning. In the story, Jeffrey was the bad guy and the bad guy must die (I'm simplifying but you get what I mean). But we all want to believe that innocence can survive somehow -- and in this particular story, the dog was innocent (and even injured and rescued...it hadn't had an easy life, that's for sure).

I skimmed over the comment about using the dead women's hearts because that's simply someone's POV...and I also kinda thought the spell probably called for a canine heart, specifically, since it was such a tough, unique spell.

I also agree that Dean killed in self defense; he didn't execute Jeffrey, but again, I go back to it's how we're conditioned to react to stories like these. We see a lot of death and killing and resurrection and blood and brutality and gore and sometimes, for some of us, that can deaden the horror at a human life being taken.

But a defenseless animal can trigger in us the feelings we would naturally have applied to humanity, were we allowed to do so within the story. If we reacted to each human death as we did the dog's, we wouldn't be able to keep watching, IMO.

That's just me, trying to make it make sense, make it ok. Because I hate the idea of you having been upset by what you read.
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countess_k
Feb. 21st, 2012 08:30 pm (UTC)
Hi there Gaelic,

Sorry I was away for the past two rambles. I was busy with two exams and planning and booking an unexpected trip to New York next month. It was a jam packed week but I promised myself to not be late for the ramble this week so here I am. We have a long hiatus ahead of us and maybe I’ll find the time to go back and read the rambles I missed while we’re waiting for new episodes.

So on to this one.

I liked this one; however, it felt like it was a bit of a ceremonial flipping of a switch in the flow of the overall storyline for the Season.

You don’t read spoilers so I’m not surprised you just found this out. I knew for a while that a major arc was coming up in which the proverbial fecal matter was going to collide with a draft producing device.

I think Sam losing control will come very close to breaking Dean

It’s been a theory I’ve had for a while, Sam being the straw that will break the camel’s back. Since the start this has been the season of Dean losing beloved things. Castiel, Bobby’s house, the Impala, Bobby, and finally Sam. What will happen next is something I haven’t gotten a clue about even though there are some spoilers and even clues in the promo we saw at the end of this episode.

Realistically, I think that any person who has been through as much as Dean has would crumble – even just a little bit.

No, “realistically” they would be a head case. Even to this day I don’t buy anyone spending 40 years under and around torture and being able to function normally.

I was completely entertained, and often even amused…by Mark Pellegrino’s Hallucifer.

That seems to be the general consensus of every fan and thank goodness the fandom can at least agree on something.

The THEN was basically just Lilith, Death, the Great Wall of Sam, and Hallucifer.

The Lilith part really threw me off. I was waiting the entire episode for her to show up only to realize the reminder was just for the reference to her in the flashback. Lame.

Dean: Y’know, you’re right. We like Jeffrey. He’s a decent guy. And he just signed off on his temple.

I had a big problem with this part. I heard loud and clear Jeffery telling them to have a go at him and that what the demon made him do was so horrible he was willing to suffer torture to get it out. But in light of what we know from the end of the episode, wouldn’t Jeffery do the exact opposite? Wouldn’t he try to appeal to the boys’ soft side to keep both the demon and himself safe? I smell a plot hole.

This was…before they knew all the ways to torture a demon beyond the means that would work on a human.

Doubt it. I can’t imagine Dean not having had a demon or two on his table while he was apprenticing under Alastair.

Jeffrey’s like, um, okay, thanks – but Dean’s already driving away.

Ok, I love them boys as much as any of us. But I have to say, the way they threated Jeffery in this episode was in no way cool. They left the poor man shattered, physically and mentally. How is that ok? Wasn’t their slogan saving people before hunting things? When Jeffery went psycho on Dean at the end and before his grand speech I thought he wanted pay back for what they did to his life by not giving a rat’s ass about his wellbeing and only thinking of him as a means to an end. And he would’ve at least been partly right.

As they approach the bloody body, a detective (in a trench coat) comes up to them and claps them on the shoulders. He remembers them from last time, saying he wondered how long it would take them to show back up.

So this guy has such a good memory that he remembers the boys, even their names, from four years ago, yet no one in the FBI can remember their faces as the same duo that went on a killing rampage just a few short months past? Ok!

gaelicspirit
Feb. 26th, 2012 08:40 pm (UTC)
Hi! I've missed you and your comments. Hope the exams went well. I've had a nutty, crappy week, so I'm late in replying, but I'm here at last! *throws confetti*

Since the start this has been the season of Dean losing beloved things.

Yep...just gotta wonder how much more they're going to have him take before he bows under the pressure.

No, “realistically” they would be a head case. Even to this day I don’t buy anyone spending 40 years under and around torture and being able to function normally.

Well, okay, yeah. Maybe I chose the wrong word here. I was just trying to carefully point out -- without detracting attention from Sam's plight -- that Dean needs his moment to break down and the way they've had him coping thus far is not something that can last forever. But, this is SPN where our main characters have died and come back (multiple times) so....

I can’t imagine Dean not having had a demon or two on his table while he was apprenticing under Alastair.

Well, now that in hindsight and through discussion it's more or less agreed that it was S4, I can see this. But it's not like we saw a lot of his torture techniques until S5. Doing it on Alistair in S4 about killed Dean; I couldn't see him being so blase about it with a human.

What you said about how they treated Jeffrey -- that was one of the reasons I was disappointed (weird word for this situation, but it's true) that Jeffrey didn't work Dean over more when he had him tied to the chair.

And yeah, it seems that the killing rampage is now out of sigh out of mind since the Winchesters are supposedly 'dead.'

....on to next post....
countess_k
Feb. 21st, 2012 08:31 pm (UTC)
Sam sits down where he can keep an eye on her, but Luci sits across from him, directly in his eye-line. Sam does his best to ignore Luci, trying to look around him, but Luci shifts so that he’s impossible to miss. Like an annoying kid brother.

This really surprised me. To everyone Sam must look like a guy who’s constantly making eyes at nothing in front of him, then jumps and ducks at random intervals. I wished the writers of the previous episodes had this sense of continuity to at least include some of this odd behaviour throughout the season so we would have a revealing moment here. It would’ve been so perfect.

Dean: It’s happened to friends of mine.

Who?? That was killing me.


I assumed it was just a throwaway line. However there are some speculations with regards to recent spoilers that I don’t think have any basis but I won’t discuss here because of spoilers.

And here is where I suspected Jeffrey. I didn’t get it all at once, but I did not trust him.

You mean you didn’t suspect him from the start? It was right there in the promo where he said, “Did you ever think that maybe I loved being possessed?” and they showed him looking all evil and snarling. That was a big giveaway and not even part of spoilers you could avoid, which was unfortunate to be honest.

I couldn’t help but wonder how often that happens – and with all they actually see and deal with, how often does Sam have to figure out if the horror is real or hallucinated. I get the impression he’s had control for a bit, but this case rattled that hold enough that his broken brain pushed the horrific stuff to the front.

To me his jogging, yoga and the new regiment we saw him follow made sense now. Maybe it’s his way to free his mind from the hallucination induced horrors.

It’s almost as if he’s so engrossed in his search for Dean, in getting to the bottom of this demon/Jeffrey thing, that he’s forgotten that Lucifer isn’t actually there. Or, more to the point, is a piece of Sam himself.

I’m choosing this point to voice my opinion on how they decided to do Sam’s hell flashbacks and the consequences of his wall breaking. They could’ve gone a million ways with it. From the typical torture scene flashback of which was saw a little bit in the beginning when Sam was in Bobby’s basement, to this, him having Lucifer as a co-pilot. And I must say I’m glad they went this way. From the start when the issue of Sam’s soul and the ramifications of his hell memories came up I was worried they’d do for Sam what they refused to do for Dean: explore his hell experience. In a sense they are doing that right now but in a unique way that wouldn’t have been possible for Dean (unless we wanted to see Alastair walking around with him, which I didn’t.) So even though they are in essence paying more attention to Sam’s hell trip than Dean’s, at least it’s in a way that isn’t just meant for us to feel sorry for him but integrated in the story in a witty and interesting way that includes a character than everyone in the fandom unanimously loves.

if they were going to make ‘blood of the exorcist’ be a big deal, then the blood should stay a big deal until the wound is cared for. That’s how I’d have written it.

Yeah! But when was the last time we saw anything of Dean (pain, injury, addiction, PTSD) be a big deal on this show? They just hint at it (sometimes pretty strongly) before shoving it under the carpet and moving on. It’s not like he’s Sam whose ailments take up entire seasons. I know I sound grumpy on this but if anyone asked me the one thing I didn’t like about this show this would be it. Regardless if it’s a simple cut or 40 years in hell, Dean’s pain is never explored.

gaelicspirit
Feb. 26th, 2012 08:45 pm (UTC)
To everyone Sam must look like a guy who’s constantly making eyes at nothing in front of him, then jumps and ducks at random intervals.

I know, right? That was one reason I felt that this attention Luci was giving Sam in this episode was more pronounced that it has been over the last few months.

You mean you didn’t suspect him from the start? It was right there in the promo where he said, “Did you ever think that maybe I loved being possessed?” and they showed him looking all evil and snarling. That was a big giveaway and not even part of spoilers you could avoid, which was unfortunate to be honest.

No, I didn't suspect him from the start. I don't watch anything except the previews they show at the end of the episodes, and I didn't see anything in those previews to alert me to Jeffrey being a bad guy. Maybe I missed it; I don't know. I don't watch the promos or shorts or whatever the heck they're called specifically because they could 'tease' about one plot point too many. So, there you go. In the dark, was I.

So even though they are in essence paying more attention to Sam’s hell trip than Dean’s, at least it’s in a way that isn’t just meant for us to feel sorry for him but integrated in the story in a witty and interesting way that includes a character than everyone in the fandom unanimously loves.

Good point. :)

But when was the last time we saw anything of Dean (pain, injury, addiction, PTSD) be a big deal on this show? They just hint at it (sometimes pretty strongly) before shoving it under the carpet and moving on.

*sighs* Yeah, I know. *kicks at ground* Guess that's why I gravitate to fanfiction and writing it the way I wish we could see it.
countess_k
Feb. 21st, 2012 08:33 pm (UTC)
Jeffrey: Hey, I was there. And then I was depressed because he was gone. I was an emotional shell. A drunk. I was suicidal.

You know I wished they had somehow hinted here that this wasn’t actually the case. That what Jeffrey had a gripe with was that Dean and Sam were so focused on their mission that didn’t stop for a moment to think about what they were doing to him. If I were the writer I would’ve added a line there with Jeffrey telling Dean of his sacrifice of ‘signing off his temple to them.’ I would’ve made him say, “I gave up my body so you could get what you want and you left me on the curb.” That would’ve made for a much deeper theme for this episode than Jeffery simply being a psychopath. It also would’ve eliminated the plot hole.

Demon goes after Sam but gets caught in a devil’s trap painted on the ceiling.

Ahh, the devil traps that magically appear on ceilings. There is an old cartoon this reminded me of about an Aardvark trying to catch an ant, sort of a Wile E. Coyote vs. Roadrunner situation. In it the Aardvark used a black tarlike liquid to create an instant hole in the ground, a bottomless pit to thwart his enemies while going after the ant. However these instant holes had the unfortunate side effect to be blown away like new papers in the wind, and land in the most improper places, putting him in dangerous situations. When I saw the devil’s trap on the ceiling my first thought was, “Oh, I guess it got blown away from its original spot and got caught on the ceiling.” :D (Here is a youtube video of the cartoon I’m talking about http://youtu.be/t7aKgR7hcpE)

Asking for help is admitting that you can’t do it on your own…and not everyone can admit that. It’s a blow to their pride, and we all know how proud Sam is, and it's a scary loss of control.

I actually don’t think that is the case here. I think it more has to do with the fact that Sam knows how badly Dean’s own control is stretched and doesn’t want to add to his burden. He said so himself in episode two when we saw his Lucifer hallucinations for the first time. Sam knows Dean’s on thin ice with all the depression, loss of loved ones, and his drinking problem. To tell him the one person in his life he thought he could count on is losing it too would be detrimental.

Which is what I think is going to happen anyway. He thinks it’s the right thing to do but it is in fact his, and Dean’s, undoing. Because the way Sam’s going there’s only one place he could end up at and that’s the psych ward.

Sadly it’s confirmed that the next episode is going to be on March 16th. I hope there’s not another hiatus after 7.17. I’ve heard rumors.

And since you said you watched the preview, did you see who was back? I was surprised you didn’t mention it in the ramble.

Anyways, see you then, and hope your hubby is well.

gaelicspirit
Feb. 26th, 2012 08:56 pm (UTC)
Okay, weirdest thing -- I remember reading this comment in my inbox, but as I was going through replies, I couldn't find it. I went into my LJ messages and it had gotten "spammed." What's that about??

ANYWAY.

That would’ve made for a much deeper theme for this episode than Jeffery simply being a psychopath.

Agreed...but then it might've made it different when Dean killed him.

I think it more has to do with the fact that Sam knows how badly Dean’s own control is stretched and doesn’t want to add to his burden.

I'd like to think that's true, but I'm not so sure. I don't know if it's because I struggle with giving Sam that much credit -- to be thinking of Dean when he's sitting in the middle of his worst nightmare -- or what, but I tend to think it's more about Sam thinking of himself (no judgement, he's suffering) than Sam thinking of Dean.

But that's just my opinion, no harm no foul that you think otherwise.

And since you said you watched the preview, did you see who was back? I was surprised you didn’t mention it in the ramble.

I did! I didn't say anything because I don't usually put any details about the previews to help protect those who read who are even more spoiler-phobic than me. I usually just put my knee-jerk reaction to the preview. But I'm excited! And curious as to how his return is going to play out, what it's going to mean to Dean, and how long it will be.

Bring on March 16th!



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