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My goodness, I love our show. I just…I do. I love it, plot holes, nit-picks, leaps of faith and all. It always entertains me. I don’t want to say too much above the cut except…I really liked this one.

Before I get started, I just wanted to reiterate something I said in a few replies to last week’s comments. I like the idea of Bobby as a ghost. Not in a warm-fuzzy, oh-yay-the-band’s-back-together way, but in a this could really add layers and story potential way. I said in the Ramble for the episode where Bobby died that I wanted death to have dominion – I wanted his death to mean something. I wanted what was dead to stay dead this time. And I mean that.

That doesn’t negate all that came before – Sam and Dean and Bobby have all died and come back. And I am good with how they’ve done things in the past; the story is what it is. But this time, I didn’t want Bobby brought back from the dead or miraculously healed because I felt that would render his death meaningless in a way. I wanted his life to have the impact it was supposed to have and his death to have the import we all knew it would hold.

His being a ghost doesn’t change any of that (for me). At first I wasn’t sure – back with the whole disappearing beer and the paper appearing on the top of the stack. But I warmed to the idea and when we saw him last week, I thrilled at it simply because I love a good ghost story and having him around offered him and the boys (and us, in a way) a chance to complete things left undone, say things left unsaid, and then move on. Plus? It added a layer of angst-worthy complexity to the age-old question of “now what” that we didn’t have before when Bobby was simply gone. And I adore Jim Beaver -- so getting to see more of him is always a bonus.

There’s a lot that they could do with this in the next few episodes. SO. I’m not simply giddy with delight and squeeing at getting back one of my favorite characters in any way, shape, or form, but I am happy to have this added storytelling opportunity. I hope that makes sense.

And just so it’s clear, it’s totally fine if you don’t agree – I enjoy the various opinions and ideas you all share with me in your comments. Okay! So, now that’s out of the way…let’s Ramble On.

The THEN refreshed our memories about Bobby’s death, dodging the Reaper, the boys mourning, Sam telling Dean he’d tried to contact Bobby with no luck. NOW, the boys are sitting on the hood of this week’s Random Stolen Car (I didn’t even bother to figure out what kind it was…primer gray, boxy, looked like a Caddy or Lincoln of some kind…*MISSES THE IMPALA LIKE WHOA*), pulled off to an empty side road, eating take-out tacos that taste, according to Dean, the exact same from any drive-through in any town in the nation.

Of that, I have no doubt.

A cell phone rings and at first they’re both patting their pockets before Dean pulls out his phone. There’s this moment of a subtle pause where you can almost hear them thinking who could be calling us…everyone we know is dead.

Dean answers and says the name Annie with a certain warm familiarity that brings Sam’s head around. Dean tells her it’s a nice surprise and then Annie – a pretty, mid-30’s red-head – tells Dean she heard about Bobby and is sorry. Dean has trouble replying to that. When the wound is still so raw, sometimes you think you’ve got it under control…and then someone offers you sympathy and it empties your lungs of air.

She tells him that she has some of Bobby’s old books and figured they’d want them. Tells him she’s in Bodega Bay at the Crows Nest Inn and asks if they’re close. Dean says they’re close enough and they decide to meet up the next day at the Pier Something restaurant for lunch. We then shift to an outside shot of this big, stately, and very much abandoned estate-slash-house.

Inside a teenaged couple is making out on a couch with candles lit all around. The fact that they weren’t supposed to be there just heightens their excitement…until they hear a car pulling up and think it’s the cops. It’s actually Annie, but…close enough. The teens book it out of the room when they hear the car door slam, heading to another room. As soon as they get there, though, their flashlights freak out and they look up to see the ghost of a Very Large Man (like deep and wide, seriously) standing in the hallway.

The ghost bellows, “You shouldn’t have come here!” Then rushes at them. Next thing we see is Annie heading inside, shining her flashlight around and the beam of light suddenly falls on the bodies of the two teens sprawled at her feet, both covered in blood. Just then the door slams behind her and she turns, gasping.


Next day, the boys are sitting at the Pier Something restaurant, Dean reading a paper, Sam a menu, waiting for Annie. Dean finds out that Dick Roman has funded another archeological dig.

Sam: Anything on what he’s digging for?

Dean: Don’t you think I would’ve led with that?

Sam's question sounds like me when I know something is important to a friend, but I don’t really know about it…or really care about it, personally. I try to find a question to ask that’s relevant because I know they want to talk about it, but I don’t know enough details to make the question grab hold. It’s not that I don’t think Sam wants to end the Leviathans…I just don’t  think he holds close to the same obsession his brother has with ending Dick Roman.

They both agree that Annie’s never late, and that her not showing up doesn’t really feel right. Dean decides to call her again.

And if I might be allowed a shallow moment, can I just say: Dean’s. Green. Eyes. Holy Luminescence those peepers are amazing. I paused a couple of times in this scene just to…stare. *ahem* Sorry. Where was I? Oh, right, Annie. (Though I’ll be looking for screen caps for that scene….)

Sam: You know she and Bobby had a thing, right?

Dean (with a quick glance at Sam): Yeah. Yeah, I knew that. (pause, then another look) Really?!

Sam: Kind of a foxhole thing. Very Hemingway.

The way he put that just made it sound really appealing and romantic. More of a this might be our last night on earth romantic than Nicholas Sparks romantic, though. I dug it. Everyone should have at least one Hemingway moment. Which, as it turns out….

Dean (listening to the phone ring, nods in a well, what do you know manner, then says, grudgingly): She and I kinda went Hemingway this one time, too.

He gives Sam a tiny shrug, half looking at him. Sam looks slightly sheepish as he says, “All right, well. That happens.” Then he does this grin that just cracked me right up. Totally a, Hee…whoops!  HA!

Dean sets his phone on his shoulder and looks at his brother with a you’ve gotta be kidding me expression, saying, “Wait, you, too?!”

Sam (back peddling): It was awhile back! We ended up on the same case. She was stressed…I didn’t…have a soul. (Vocal Shrug.)

Dean (turning back to his phone): That’s a lot of foxholes.

You’re telling me. When I was in high school, my mother – in an effort to scare me out of even thinking about having sex – told me that when you slept with someone, you slept with everyone they had ever slept with, too. I thought about that for a moment during the foxhole story. I’m just saying….

And aside – though I know they will return to Cas and deal with what he pulled from Sam, and I know that somehow angels and demons are going to come into play once more and drop the weight of the universe’s fate on the shoulders of our favorite brothers – I have to say I really enjoyed the boys being brothers again in this episode. Just…getting along. Things felt really easy and right between them. It was nice.

Annie isn’t answering her phone. Dean hangs up, then pulls out his (Bobby’s) flask and spices up his coffee a smidge with a, “Here’s to ghosts that aren’t here,” toast.

Sam: You sound kinda disappointed.

Dean: It’s better this way. Even though I wish we could see him again, it doesn’t mean we should.

So they drink their coffee and look at their menus. Then Dean exclaims, “Are we being stood up?”

Sam: Let’s hope that’s all this is.

The camera pulls focus to Dean’s flask on the table next to him as it rocks ever-so-slightly. As they leave the restaurant, Dean’s calling Annie again and getting no answer, saying it goes straight to voice mail. He pulls out his flask and sees that it’s empty, saying he needs a refill. Yeah, don’t want to go through withdraws in the middle of a hunt. Yikes.

Sam suggests that maybe he pack the flask away for awhile since it just reminds them of Bobby. Subtext (at least for me) was a bit of a, “Brother, you’re a functioning alcoholic…maybe we should try to taper you down?” Dean says he’s thought about putting it away, but…he can’t. Not yet. As he walks around the Primer Gray Mobile to get in the driver’s side, we see Bobby’s ghost sitting in the back seat looking sad.

The boys head over to check out Annie’s motel room. That was something I liked about this episode – how organic the hunt was. It wasn’t one of those where they’re just heading somewhere and a hunt kinda finds them, or where they’re scouring the papers for something and head over to search up the supernatural baddie. They were just going to meet a friend to pick up some books – and it just so happened this friend was already on a job…then this friend became the job. I liked it.

Anyway, in the motel room they find a Wall of Weird (hunter-style) and files on unsolved disappearances going back years – all teenagers. The one thing these disappearances had in common was a place called the Van Hess House. While they’re talking about the house – Sam sitting at a table, Dean moving from the bed to a kitchenette sink – we see Bobby sitting on the other chair. He makes the curtain next to Sam move, but Sam doesn’t see.

Bobby (frustrated): Could you look in the right place at the right time?!

When the boys realize that the Van Hess house is on the most haunted house in America list, Bobby’s like, “Let’s get rolling,” and Dean says to Sam, “Let’s get rolling.” Hee.

They head out – Sam grabbing his coat, Dean just leaving. For a moment, Bobby’s left standing there in the empty motel room, but then Dean’s hand snakes in and grabs his jacket from the chair where Bobby had been sitting (with the flask in his pocket) and Bobby blinks out (much to his relief).

The brothers enter the Van Hess House, flashlight beams skimming the surfaces around them, Dean muttering a sarcastic (but oddly appropriate), “Honey, I’m home.”

Bobby follows them and for a moment looks afraid, and that’s when we see what he’s seeing. All over the room, in various manner and period of dress, are dozens and dozens of ghosts. Nicely creepy.

So this is one aspect of this episode that I really liked – the ghost-eye view. The idea that all those ghosts were around and that Dean and Sam were just…walking through them. That was chilling to me. I’m easily startled – ask anyone. I jump sky-high at the slightest unexpected glimpse of…anything. So anytime you have the screaming ghost launch itself at you or rush across the room ala Woman In Black (yes, that totally creeped me out) I’m gonna squeal and jump and grab my pillow as a protective shield.

But the idea that all those ghosts were around, unseen, and always present…now that’s scary to me. You never know what they see, what they hear, where they are. It’s one of the reasons I freak myself out when I wash my face…I’m always just a tiny bit convinced that when I wipe the soap from my eyes, for a split second I’ll see a reflection in the mirror next to me.

Gah, it’s way too late for me to be writing this! *thinks sunshine and flowers and happiness and rainbows*

But, that is one of the reasons I thought having Bobby as a ghost could offer such layered storytelling in a supernatural-themed show. With maybe one or two exceptions, ghosts have always the menace, the thing to kill or stop. This gives us something else to think about.

Bobby: Hi. I’m Bobby. I’m a ghost. (Half expected some of the ghosts to reply 'Hi, Bobby.') Gonna do a little…ghost orientation here? (He looks around then says ‘my name is Bobby’ in French)

Dean calls out for Annie. Sam has the EMF on and it’s going nuts. Dean calls Annie’s phone again and suddenly they hear it ringing in the back of the room (which was a little weird, I thought, since he’d said that it was going straight to voice mail just a bit ago *hand wave*).

Back in the main room, Bobby is still staring around at all the other ghosts who are just…wandering, aimlessly, staring at nothing. Looking up the stairway, he sees the big guy (Dexter) getting schooled by a man in a black suit. The man is saying that what Dexter did was forbidden in his house and if he did it again, there would be consequences. Duh duh duhhh.

The boys come back in the room and head up the stairs – right past the two men, presumably, though we can’t see them anymore. Bobby watches them head up when suddenly he hears his name called. It’s Annie. Ghost!Annie and Ghost! Bobby are both pale with bloodless lips, but other than that, they’re not marked or marred at all, which is interesting because some of the ghosts wandering the Van Hess house were.

Bobby: We’ve been looking for you!

Annie: I can’t believe you’re here!

Bobby: Yeah. Than a doornail. Bad news. If you can see me…you are, too.

Annie: *gulp*

So, Annie and Bobby sit down to have themselves a little chat. Annie’s trying to absorb the fact that she’s dead. And a ghost. She says she feels like she was drugged. Bobby tells her it was a month before he even realized he was still here.

Bobby: Did you duck your Reaper, too?

Annie: What? No. I never saw one!

Then she realizes that Bobby purposely ran away from his Reaper and says he’s crazy. They banter a bit about how he remembers a time she liked his brand of crazy, and they both agree they have unfinished business. Annie’s is the teens whose bodies she found when she entered the house (said teens wander through the room, not engaging, no looking at anyone, holding on to each other).

Bobby tells Annie that he can’t figure out this ghost thing. He’s seen a poltergeist bench-press a piano, but he tried to help the boys by knocking a book off the table and blacked out for two weeks. Annie realizes that Sam and Dean don’t know he’s there, which she agrees totally sucks.

Meanwhile, the boys are searching the house, the EMF going nutty, and Dean’s checking the VM on Annie’s phone (must not have been password protected). He hears a weird message from a few weeks back with a woman’s voice saying “Free me” and EMF running through it, the number on the caller ID nothing but a bunch of asterisks. He has Sam listen to it and they agree it’s more than weird.

Back at the ghost reunion, Bobby and Annie sit forward as a man wearing an older-style suit walks through the wall, heads to the bar, and – with a book in one hand – moves a chair over to sit down and read.

Annie: All right, that’s cool.

Bobby (to the man): ‘Scuse me. Hey, Boss.

The dude ignores them.

Annie: Dick.

Bobby says that ghosts aren’t sociable – as evidenced by the rest of the ghosts in the room who are simply standing and staring at…nothing. Bobby thinks that if the Suit can do it, so can he, and he tries to move the trunk in front of the couch they’re sitting on, ending up falling through it and landing on all fours – making Annie laugh.

The Suit mutters that they’re novices and they all make the same mistakes. Annie and Bobby make their way over and the Suit tells them he can do what he does because he’s been at it for 80 years. Annie tells him she doesn’t know what happened to her. Bobby says he was shot in his melon; didn’t feel a thing (which is a relief, honestly). Suit man says he was stabbed, brutally, right there at that bar in April of 1932. Bobby wants to know who stabbed him and Suit looks like he’s going to leave.

Annie turns on the charm and asks him his name: Haskell Craig.

Annie: Haskell, could you do me a solid and show me how to move that chair?

Haskell: Baby steps, gorgeous.

He tells them to try to move the candle first. When both of them try, but their hands go through it, he tells them that they’re “angsting” at it. That they have to calm themselves and let go of all of “that” and tell the thing what to do. Either that or use explosive anger and red-hot rage.

Was anyone else flashing to Ghost and the Subway Ghost's advice to Sam Wheat? You gotta take all your emotions, all your anger, all your love, all your hate and push it way down here into the pit of your stomach, then let it explode like a reactor….

Maybe I saw Ghost one too many times in the ‘90s. *ahem*

Bobby: For the record, I hated that Swayze flick. Romantic bullcrap.

Whoops. Don’t tell Bobby I can quote it, okay?

Bobby tries once more to move the candle when behind them there’s a hair-raising scream. They turn and a freaky-assed, insane-looking woman rushes at them, then dissolves into smoke.

Bobby (to Haskell): What in cold Hell was that?

Haskell: You, one day. All of us. We deteriorate, some sooner, some later, eventually all…like that.

In what is the first of several reminders that Bobby choosing to be a ghost can only end in tears and is not the way things were supposed to happen, Haskell gestures to an old, scarred woman staring around vacantly before he moves away.

Bobby and Annie look at her with horror.

Bobby: Ghost Alzheimer’s.

Annie: I’m liking this less.

Just then, the boys walk into the room and both Annie and Bobby light up a bit.

Dean: That’s every inch of this place. No bodies. No pieces of body. No Annie. All sizzle, no steak.

Meanwhile, the EMF in Sam’s hands it going batty.

Sam: Maybe no news is good news?

Dean: Meaning?

Sam: Maybe she’s just not here. Maybe she’s okay.

Aww, Sammy. You break my heart when you sound hopeful.

Dean: What does your gut say?

Sam’s silence is his answer. They decide to leave to see if there’s something else in her research. Annie calls out to them as they head out of the room.

Bobby: Honey, don’t you think I’ve tried that? I’ve shouted myself hoarse.

Annie: But I’m right here!

Bobby: You just have to wait until they find you.

Annie: I don’t know where I am and I’ve searched every room! No wonder they’re walking away.

Bobby, though, has noticed that a dark-haired female ghost in a ‘20’s or ‘30’s style dress is staring at him.

Bobby: Is it me, or am I being checked out?

They move over to talk to her and she introduces herself as Victoria and says she knows what kind of work Annie did.

Annie: I’m still doing it. Other dimensionally speaking.

Bobby: Atta girl.

Annie pieces together that Victoria is the voice on her phone – spectral voice transference. Oookay, if that’s what the kids are calling it these days. Victoria is the reason Annie’s there in the first place. She asks Victoria what she meant by “Free me” but before Victoria can answer, Bobby flashes out because Dean (and the flask) got too far away.

In the car, Dean is drinking from the flask and despite Bobby saying that the party was back at the house, the decide to check out the Historical Society, which is where most of Annie’s research came from. Once there, they get the lowdown on the Van Hess House from the Society…curator, or whatever he is. Bobby’s off to the side trying to get zen and make a lantern move.

The curator guy tells them about Whittaker (I think?) Van Hess, the son of the man who built the house. The younger Van Hess was dogged by tragedy – he lost the family fortune, and the house. The house was turned into a brothel at one point (which earned a smirk from Dean) and Van Hess lived in isolation at the house until his death.

Bobby’s like, he’s still there.

They see a picture of Van Hess next to Dexter and the curator guy tells them that Dexter was a convict, very violent, but that Van Hess took pity on him and had him working as a grounds keeper. Dexter apparently killed Van Hess’ fiance the day before their wedding.

Bobby’s like, yeah, he’s still there, too.

The curator tells the boys that Annie was there earlier and he’ll tell them what he told her: stay away. The house is dangerous. They’re basically like, yeah, thanks, we’ll keep that in mind. Not.

Back at the motel, Bobby’s trying to move a quarter and Sam’s reading from a newspaper, his voice raised so that Dean can hear him. Dean is taking a shower – with the door to the bathroom open so he can still talk to Sam. Hee. Sam tells him that Dexter also killed some of the hookers from the brothel, but before they could hang him, he escaped and was found shot to death back at the house. Sam’s like, why would he run back to the house?

Dean calls back, “Add that to the list of things I don’t know.”

Bobby’s standing in front of the mirror giving himself an awesome psych-up speech: I can kill werewolves, fix a pinto, and bake cornbread. I will be damned if I can’t get zen….

That’s about when the story kinda telegraphed itself to me. You all probably got it long before I did, but when Sam talked about how Dexter died, I realized that Dexter wasn’t the bad guy – and he wasn’t killing the people he rushed toward in his ghost state, he was warning them. But…those thoughts were summarily banished in the next moment as Dean peeked out from behind the shower curtain and reached for a towel.

I cannot explain why the sight of his bare arm and shoulder did a number on me, but I bet you my No Chick Flicks Moment coffee mug that I wasn’t the only one. The best part? The shallowness doesn’t end there. Oh, no. There's more.

But first, we cut away to go back to the Van Hess House and two teenage boys making a vid about the last known place their friends (the two teens from the beginning of the episode) had been. I will call these two the Cheesy Twins because their running commentary on this home movie thingy was just…well, cheesy.

Back at the motel, Dean is out of the shower wearing a snug-fitting green T-shirt (holy crap) and rubbing his wet hair (Holy. Crap.). Seriously, folks, I can no more be objective and focus on the storyline with that on my screen than I can survive a week without water.

He glances up at the steam-covered mirror (while I try to focus on something other than how well that T-shirt fits him), then he does a double take, angling his body toward the doorway and calling for Sam. Dean doesn’t take his eyes from the mirror, and when Sam appears in the doorway, he goes, “Tell me you wrote that.”

We then get to see the mirror and written on it are the words Annie trapped in house.

Sam: No. No, I didn’t.

Dean, looking angry, bellows, “Who’s there?!”

They watch in part horror, part fascination as the hot water faucet turns on and steam rises, fogging up the mirror once more. Then, slowly, Bobby’s name appears.

Dean (his voice breaking): Bobby?

Bobby (relieved): Yes.

Dean (in rapid speak, looking around the bathroom, at the mirror, over at Sam): This whole time…this whole time we were trying to talk ourselves out of it he’s been…what’s he doing here?

Sam is looking out into the motel room and suddenly picks up Bobby’s flask, handing it to Dean with a, “Dude!”

Bobby’s like, “We don’t have time for this! Get back to the house!”

Dean: We gotta get back to that house, STAT.

That’s the second time Dean’s words have echoed Bobby’s, even though he can’t hear him. I liked that.

Unfortunately, they’re already too late for the Cheesy Twins. Annie saw them, but couldn’t do anything. Dexter’s ghost rushed at them, telling them they shouldn’t have come there. Van Hess’ ghost stopped Dexter and the Cheesy Twins actually utter a terrified thanks…just before Van Hess shoves his ghost hands through their chests and kills them, then turns to Dexter, saying that he told him there would be consequences if he tried to warn anyone else away. Dexter is all, you have enough, they’re just kids…y’know, the stuff good guys say. Van Hess is having none of it and shoves his hand into Dexter, turning him into a ball of light and…absorbing him. Or something.

After he’s gone, Annie stands over the bodies of the dead boys, trying to figure out a way to get their camera. Victoria shows up, but says she can’t help. She breaks it down for us – how Van Hess actually killed everyone in that house and uses them for his food or entertainment. That he “drained” Dexter and now Dexter is just…gone. She tells Annie that she was a “fancy lady” when this house was a brothel and Van Hess slit her throat (though her ghost!throat is unmarked).

Annie wants to know where he keeps the bodies, but Victoria doesn’t know. Annie convinces her to grab the camera, but then Van Hess returns and they skedaddle out of there. Annie, ever the hunter, pauses to watch Van Hess drag the bodies away and we see him pull a candle holder down to reveal a secret panel behind a bookshelf where he drags the Cheesy Twins in what is, presumably, where all the bodies are hidden. Ewww. Smelly room.

The boys are outside the house in the Primer Gray Mobile, gearing up with rock salt shotguns.

Dean: We combed the crap out of this place. If Annie’s in there and we didn’t find her—

Sam: It’s ‘cause someone didn’t want us to.

Dean: Awesome. Well, let’s walk right into that.


The boys (and Bobby) head inside. Just inside the entrance, Bobby manages to sneak his flask from Dean’s pocket and hide it in a nearby drawer, saying he’s leaving the pack. Sam heads upstairs. Dean calls out to Annie and just as he does, the video camera slides across the floor to his feet.

Dean: That’s not odd.

Dean calls Sam to come back downstairs.

Dean: Annie? (pause, quieter voice) Slimer?


They watch the video the Cheesy Twins made and see Annie’s ghost image on it, determining she is in the house, just not in a good way. Dean calls out to Annie again and Bobby, standing off to the side with Annie and Victoria says, “Give ‘em a minute. They’ve gotten slower since I left.”

Annie convinces Victoria to show herself to the boys because they can help free her. She flashes visible and the boys are like Whoa! They bring their shotguns up to point at her and she raises her hands to stop them, telling them her name and says she was a “fancy lady” at the house. Takes Dean all of one heartbeat to realize she meant hooker and anther heartbeat to wipe the half-grin from his face.

She tells them that Annie is there, but they can’t see her. They look down and Dean steps back.

Victoria: You’re not standing on her.

Annie’s like, tell them already, but Victoria, playing the Oda Mae Brown role in this scene, basically says she has to do it her own way. I couldn’t help but whisper, Molly, you in danger, girl, to myself when Victoria says that Annie is in terrible danger from Van Hess. Hee.

Dean: He’s dead, you’re dead…define 'terrible danger'.

She tells the boys about Van Hess’ power and that he was the real bad guy killing everyone, and that they can help free all the ghosts trapped there…but of course Van Hess has been listening (as have countless other ghosts roaming aimlessly around the house) and before Victoria is able to tell them how they can free them, she bursts into flames and disappears.

Dean: I’m gonna say she was telling the truth considering she just got ghost killed.

Van Hess is in the room – unseen by the boys – and slips a key into Sam’s pocket as they leave to go salt and burn his bones. Bobby stays behind with Annie, thanks to the hidden flask, and they look on in despair as they watch Van Hess sitting in the back seat of the Primer Gray Mobile when the boys pull away.


Bobby’s kicking himself, of course, because he thought that Van Hess couldn’t leave the house either and now he’s not with the boys, but Annie’s like, well, the only thing we can do is our job, so let’s finish this. Bobby’s not happy, but goes along. They search the house, finally finding the Van Hess’ room. Annie tells Bobby the house had also once been a Speak Easy in addition to a brothel, so they start looking for hidden panels. Bobby is able to get zen once more and pulls down the candlestick thingy, opening the panel behind the bookshelf and revealing the Room O’ Corpses.

Annie comes face to face with her own dead body. Yikes.

Bobby: You and me burned our fair share of bones and sent a lot of ghosts packing.

Annie: It’s a little different on the receiving end.

She tells him that she wants a hunters funeral. Says that it’s better than this; she’s ready for some peace. It’s lonely, what they do. Bobby says that his life is the one he picked and Annie points out that he had the boys, she only had her work and that’s done. Bobby argues that he’s not done, but Annie is, and she wants him to do this for her (since he’s figured out how to Swayze things now).

It’s another part to the story where they drive home the point that Bobby making this choice can go one of two ways – a resolution of finished business and a peaceful goodbye, or continuing to hang on until he turns empty and insane and vengeful.

Meanwhile, in the car Sam does some google-fu on what looks like an iPad and finds out where the Van Hess mausoleum is.

Dean: Let’s light up the bastard and finish him off.

Just then, the Primer Gray Mobile accelerates.

Sam: Take it easy; we’ll get there.

Dean: Uh, that’s not me.

Suddenly, Van Hess flashes visible between them and grabs the wheel, pressing down on the accelerator, sending the car careening out of control. Dean wrestles with it and him and finally manages to stop. The brothers bail out of either side of the car simultaneously trying to figure out how Van Hess is with them. Dean figures they must have something on them.

Just as Sam finds the key in his pocket, Van Hess grabs Sam – I think thrusting his hand into his back, but I couldn’t really tell. Dean knocks the key from Sam’s hand and shoots it, freeing Sam, but unfortunately snapping the ghost back to his favorite haunt.

Back at the house, Bobby and Annie are starting to burn the bodies, but Van Hess is heading their way with such angry determination I heard the Wicked Witch of the West theme in my head. They hear him just in time and managed to hide, almost getting away, before he finds them and traps them in the main entry way. He tries to ghost-kill Bobby like he did Dexter, but luckily the boys have found his grave and salt and burn his bones, turning his ghost to ashes and “saving” Bobby.

Bobby…passes out, if ghosts can do that. Annie’s sitting next to him on the ground when he comes to, sitting up groggily. He says he feels okay – dead, sure, but okay. He’s sitting on the ground when the boys walk into the house. He gives them a casual, “Hi, boys,” fully expecting to be invisible to them, but when they stare at him with heart-stopping shock, he blinks at them.

Dean (barely audible): Bobby?

Bobby: Wait…you can see me?

I can’t even imagine what the boys had to be feeling in that moment. It’s one thing to get confirmation that the ghost of your mentor and father-figure is still around…but to see him? *rubs heart* Oh, boys.

Bobby stands up, looking back at the boys. “You’re staring. Annie’s here, too.”

The boys look out and around, saying a small, “Hi, Annie.”

Annie: Hi, guys.

Bobby (pointing to where she is): She says you both look uglier than she remembers.

Dean is looking totally shell-shocked at all of this; Sam manages a slight smile.

Sam: How’d you stay here?

Bobby goes to the desk and pulls out his flask, tossing it to Dean.

Bobby: Suck on that, Swayze.


Sam (his voice holding that youthful wonder that tugs at my heart): That’s why you never answered me. I tried calling you. Talking board, the works. I was always alone. Dean always had that in his pocket. That’s why the EMF only went off half the time. We thought we were going crazy.

Dean’s still staring at his flask, his lips barely parted. He closes his eyes, lifting his head, then looks over at Bobby.

Dean (voice breathless, slightly shaking): So…so…what happened? Did you…get stuck? Or…what?

Bobby: I wanted to stay.

Dean (sad): Bobby…

Bobby: I need to help.

Sam: Not if it means you have to…be this.

Bobby: Life wasn’t comfy, why should death be? C’mon. Annie and I found all the bodies. Let’s put ‘em to rest. And keep my flask away from the fire. Obviously.

And right then I had this feeling that sometime in the next four episodes, that’s exactly what was going to happen. I hope it’s after Bobby helps them finish this – finish the Leviathans and Dick Roman. I hope the writers allow that before his flask heads to the flames and his soul to peace.

Later, the boys are putting supplies back in the trunk of the Primer Gray Mobile, Bobby standing nearby.

Bobby: I’ll miss her.

Boys: Me, too.

Bobby: You didn’t know her like I did.

Boys (sharing a look): *awkward*

Dean (taking out his flask): Here’s to Annie. She got the hunter’s funeral she wanted.

Bobby’s watching him and I couldn’t quite figure out his expression. I wondered if he might say something about him drinking from the flask. But he didn’t get a chance.

Dean (his voice going hard): Kinda like the one we thought we gave you.

Sam: Dean…

Dean (turning to Bobby, his back to Sam): What were you thinking, Bobby? You should be in Heaven right now, drinking beer at Harvelle’s. Not stuck—

Bobby: Stuck here with you? We still have work to do. I just thought that was kind of important, Dean.

Dean’s argument right then just had me hurting for him. He knew on so many levels why this was bad…just bad bad bad. And he wanted the reassurance that there was a chance of peace when he was done. That Bobby really was “in a better place.” Not stuck observing a life of never-ending struggle and weariness.

Dean: It’s not right; you know that.

Bobby (voice all pissy): Sorry. You’re right. What was I thinking?

He blinks out and Dean puts the flask in the trunk. They get in the car and are driving down the road, at dark.

Sam: What do you think we should do?

Dean: We did what we should do. Now…I don’t know.

I liked that he was open about his uncertainty. I like that he didn’t have a black and white answer because this wasn’t a black and white situation. This wasn’t just any ghost. This was Bobby.

Sam: Think it’s possible we could make it work somehow?

Aw, Sammy, there you go killing me with your hope again. *rubs heart* I so hope they give you something at the end of this story, kiddo. I hope they give you a reward for having hope.

Dean: I have no idea. Maybe. I’ve never heard of it. (glances askance at Sam) You know what I do know? It ain’t the natural order of things. Everything is supposed to end. He was supposed— (his voice catches and he pauses before making himself go on) Now…what are the odds this ends well? What are the odds?

If anyone knows about the natural order of things, it’s Dean. Not even taking into account the fact that he lost his dad to a crossroads deal to save his life, or the price he paid in Hell for making a deal for Sam’s life…he had to spend a day as Death – again as part of a deal for Sam’s life. But during that time, the fact that things end, that there’s a natural order of things, was driven home in a very real, visceral way. A way that no one else could really understand because…well, they hadn’t had to do that. They hadn’t been through what he’d been through.

I heard in his words a need for death to have dominion once more – and through that, life to have more meaning. If there’s no end, it’s hard to take pleasure in the fleeting beauty of life. If you just go on, or are brought back time and again, then what does it all matter? If there’s no peace at the end, no reward of an end to all of this fighting and pain and struggling and need and hope and fear, then why fight at all?

I think it’s more than just Dean worrying about what are they going to do about Bobby being a ghost and can they make it work in a sort of a Being Human twist. I think it’s more than fear that Bobby will turn vengeful. I think it’s Dean getting something he thought he wanted – seeing Bobby again – and realizing that it wasn’t really what he wanted after all. Sam had been right – he’d just really missed Bobby, which was real, and right, and natural. But now he sees that it’s not over for Bobby and that’s just another weight on Dean, added to the burden he already bears.

Bobby listens to their conversation from the backseat and just looks lost and lonely and heartbroken.

And I know that it’s going to sound heartless of me, but I like the spot they’re in because story-wise, they could go so many different directions from here and they’ve given our boys both a moral and emotional dilemma to deal with at a moment when they’re finally back on a level playing ground (or as level as they can ever get) with Sam’s soul no longer broken.

I think the next four episodes could be really good.

Speaking of, though, I have to forewarn you – I’m going to be late with next week’s Ramble. The hubs and I are taking Mo Chuisle to Disneyworld and I won’t be able to watch episode 7.20 until Wednesday, May 2nd. I’ll still write up a Ramble for it, but since it will be basically two days before 7.21 airs, it’ll probably be a shorter one.

I’d still love for you to come back and read and share your thoughts with me, though. Without saying too much, the previews make it look like we might be revving up for a show down.

Good news is that I will be on time for the final three of the season. So, Yay! Anyone hear if we’ve been renewed for a season 8 yet?

Thanks for reading!



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Apr. 21st, 2012 08:39 am (UTC)
That shower scene ..... oh man
Apr. 21st, 2012 06:57 pm (UTC)
I know, right? I've never wanted to be a green T-shirt so much in my whole life. ;)
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Apr. 21st, 2012 11:40 am (UTC)
Outstanding insights yet again. How do you do that? If I had to sit down and recap an episode, it would bore everyone to tears. *g*

That said, the fact that some ghosts show their wounds and others don't ... I kinda get the feeling it depends on how 'deteriorated' they are. The more they're into vengeful spirit territory, the more likely it is they'll look like they did when they were killed. That totally makes sense in my head. *g*

The fact that one call to Annie's phone goes straight to voicemail could be because someone else was calling her phone right then. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. I don't see it as a plothole. :D

Apart from all that, I thought the episode was sad. Yes, it's great to see the boys back together and acting normal (Sam really has his shit together now, doesn't he?), but the outcome can't be good. Bobby will disappear if this goes on and I hate the thought. I don't care if they pull a 'reset-button' deal. I just want the guy back in the flesh. *sniff, sniff*

Did Annie remind you guys of Ellen? She sure did to me. Her gravelly voice, her sass. Loved her. Too bad she's gone. *sighs* Of course ... if she hadn't been, things could have become awkward. *g*

Off to do screengrabs. There were some nice ones there. :D

Thank you again for rambling every week the show's on the air. With all that's going on around you, I really don't get how you have the time or the stamina. But it's an escape, isn't it? You floor me every time, girl. :)
Apr. 21st, 2012 07:06 pm (UTC)
Thank you. :) All I do is retell the story so that you guys can "watch" it with me.

Yeah, it was definitely a sad episode with emotions running high...but I liked that. I like the emotional weight and the way they're all reacting or trying to react.

And yeah, Annie totally reminded me of Ellen -- which kinda doomed her from the start. ;)

You're totally right -- this is an escape. For 4 hours on a Friday night, I don't have to worry about anything but our boys and writing about our show. Whee! :)

See you soon.
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Apr. 21st, 2012 12:04 pm (UTC)
I liked it a lot. The bonding, the hunting, the angst.

Damn curtain.

And yes cathy1967, she reminded me of Ellen on way too many levels. Down to the point that when she appeared, I thought "She's a goner."
Apr. 21st, 2012 07:08 pm (UTC)
Damn curtain.

HA! Love it. ;) When they shifted away from the boys to the Cheesy Twins I was like, wait, what? NO! Go back go back go back! :)

Down to the point that when she appeared, I thought "She's a goner."

Ditto! :)
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Apr. 21st, 2012 01:27 pm (UTC)
Gah! Must close eyes! Have to wait till I've seen the episode! Run awaaaaaaaaaaay

(I'll be back.)
Apr. 21st, 2012 07:08 pm (UTC)
Yes! Watch! Read! Come baaaaaaack!! :)
Apr. 21st, 2012 01:37 pm (UTC)
I love that the show casts strong female roles that look like everyday people. I love that after everything, hope still blooms in Sam. I loved your assessment of Dean understanding death and the natural order of things in a way no one else can. And I want to pick up Bobby in a smushy hug like Pamela Barnes did when we first met her!

Have a fantastic time in Disneyworld! We'll be waiting right here when you get back!
Apr. 21st, 2012 07:11 pm (UTC)
I love your whole first paragraph!

If Bobby can zen enough to move things, I wonder if they might be able to give him a hug at some point. *sniff*

Thanks for the well wishes for Disney! We are soooo ready for an honest-to-goodness family vacation.

See you when we get back! :)
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Apr. 21st, 2012 07:15 pm (UTC)
Now it makes sense... they didn't want us to know that he ducked his reaper until now.

Yes, they do like to tease us, don't they?

It definitely is sad, but I don't know...maybe it's just my mood right now or something, but I like it -- I like how the story is playing out.

The best we can hope for is that flask getting burned before Bobby's spirit goes crazy.

Yes. Most definitely. :)

Thanks for reading!
Apr. 21st, 2012 02:02 pm (UTC)
Thanks again for another wonderful recap - cannot WAIT to watch the episode this weekend.

Before I saw your ramble, I saw this:

And I haven't been able to stop staring at it!!!
Apr. 21st, 2012 02:40 pm (UTC)
Ha ha ah hive mind...
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Apr. 21st, 2012 02:39 pm (UTC)
Nice ramble, nice episode - it left me with a lot of questions though.
Like - why don't they use the phone camera trick to look for ghosts when the EMF is throwing up nothing? (Hotel Babylon, anyone?)
How come no reaper came for Annie?
Why don't Bobby and Annie think to leave a voicemail for the boys after Victoria tells them about that handy trick?

That being said, I thought the story was good, I agree about the way they put an extra twist into the ghost story case by having Annie and Bobby give a ghost perspective, that was a nice touch to what could otherwise have just been a rehashing of any old ghost episode. I also liked the idea of an evil exploitative ghost feeding on other ghosts, pretty cool.

By the way I cannot believe Annie is mid thirties - no offence to the actress who is an attractive woman but she looked mid forties at least to me. I think someone above said she reminded them of Ellen - for 2 seconds when she first appeared I thought it WAS Ellen!

And then of course there was this
followed by this
and after that, well...who cares anymore? LOL

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Apr. 21st, 2012 04:15 pm (UTC)
By the way I cannot believe Annie is mid thirties - no offence to the actress who is an attractive woman but she looked mid forties at least to me. I think someone above said she reminded them of Ellen - for 2 seconds when she first appeared I thought it WAS Ellen!

Thank you! I thought I was the only one, because I'm mid-thirties and I know a lot of mid-thirty-people, and they don't look like that. So ... well, worn.

I don't mind that she's older than the thirties - in fact I would adore if they just made Annie older than the boys - but since they SAID she was that age, I explained it as hunter's life being unkind to you ;-) Wears you out. That'd make sense, except the curator recognized her as being mid-thirties... Ah, well, he might just have been polite.

Sorry to butt in here ;-)
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Apr. 21st, 2012 02:53 pm (UTC)
Im sorry but this episode killed me softly
I love how you do your hair Dean *u*

I had to watch the episode again because after those parts my brain shutdown. Actually just staring at Dean's stubble, and drooling.

But I agree with you on Dean's feelings about Bobby being a ghost. And Sam, oh Sam, never lose that hope. I also hope that at the end they burn the flask so Bobby can finally move on.

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Apr. 21st, 2012 07:41 pm (UTC)
Re: Im sorry but this episode killed me softly
I love you, too!! Everyone who is posting .gifs on the Ramble are officially my Favorite People Of The Week! :) Love it. :) And I'm with you -- when he got out of that shower and was standing "drying" his hair, I was like, "wait, there's a storyline I'm supposed to be caring about...right?"

Thank you for coming by. I hope you return! :)
Apr. 21st, 2012 04:08 pm (UTC)
Hey gaelic, I'm back
Sorry for missing out on the last ramble, but I had soo much stuff on my mind and to do and...well, I just couldn't find the time. I might come back though, maybe after re-watching (hiatus is looming, after all).

Anyway, here I am, and I'm HAPPY with this episode. Last time, seeing Bobby all hopeful in that room, seeing Dean come back inside and that tender, loving face of his when he spotted (not Bobby) his flask... it nearly killed me. Not just for Dean (Entities bless Jensen's skills!) but for Bobby (Same goes for Jim!) as well.

So I was really happy with Bobby re-appearing and being his balls-swearing self. Except dead ;-)
And I agree with you, I like the concept of him tagging along - for a while. And I love the possibilities that we get with it, the inability for the boys to let him go, the possibility of him becoming angry, the power and the limitations that gives them.
I like it. Let's see what they do with it. I kinda wish for him to be the one (like Chuck was in Swan Song) who sees the boys' final ... whatever. Like, we see him, watching them (whatever they do, dying or driving in the sunset, who cares) and then vanishing. Poof, glittery finish. Would like that, but since it's been done in a way before, we probably won't see that scene. Ah, see? Endless possibilities!

so, on to your ramble!

I'm right with you!

It’s not that I don’t think Sam wants to end the Leviathans…I just don’t think he holds close to the same obsession his brother has with ending Dick Roman.

My thoughts, exactly. It's not his foremost goal like it is Dean's, and it's like he's humouring his brother. The fact that it's DEAN doing all the research on Dick is adding to my opinion.
He seems to be a bit .... rudderless? Or aimless, maybe? No Lucifer anymore, no real evil to track (nothing he wants to track anyway) and well, not even commenting on Dean drinking. It's strange. Not sure why they have him that way, maybe he figures Dean's on his own path to healing and doesn't want to interfere or make it worse? I'm sure he cares about Dean, so it's not soullessness (whow, so many double-consonants...) Huh. I'll put my opinion on that on hold.

Dean’s. Green. Eyes. Holy Luminescence those peepers are amazing

*nods emphatically*

I have to say I really enjoyed the boys being brothers again in this episode. Just…getting along. Things felt really easy and right between them. It was nice

Yes, I liked it as well. Sam and Dean kinda having had foxholes (hee) with the same woman - and Bobby as well - hello, fanfics are calling :-D Still, I like the idea, and it makes sense just like it makes sense that they all would feel attraction to that woman. She's smart and tough and wouldn't be scared away by their lives or make more of a night of passion than it actually is/was. She reminded me SO MUCH of Ellen, maybe it's huntress-thing? But yeah, she was a good character, flaws and all.
Apr. 21st, 2012 04:09 pm (UTC)

For a moment, Bobby’s left standing there in the empty motel room, but then Dean’s hand snakes in and grabs his jacket from the chair where Bobby had been sitting (with the flask in his pocket) and Bobby blinks out (much to his relief).

I very much loved how they played Bobby's "problem". How he's attached to the flask and how frustrated he gets by being unable to DO anything to make them realize and how it pisses them off that they just don't LOOK when he finally gets it. It's no wonder ghosts get frustrated and angry over time. No wonder at all. And we all know from this ep that the moment they get really pissed-off-mad, they finally! get things done. Voilà! Instant vengeful-spirit.

This story was a classic ghost-story, but still different enough to make it really damn good. The fact that we saw (through Bobby) how MANY there were, how they appeared and withered and died... I liked it, a lot.

Back at the motel, Bobby’s trying to move a quarter and Sam’s reading from a newspaper,

And dude, was that ever-the-weirdest room they'd had yet? What were those bright, funny-looking things on the walls? It looked rather nice, for them, but a bit... strange. Hee. I'd LOVE to be the one to decorate the motelrooms!

Not to mention, that moment where Dean dries his hair. PRICELESS!

Sam (his voice holding that youthful wonder that tugs at my heart): That’s why you never answered me. I tried calling you. Talking board, the works. I was always alone. Dean always had that in his pocket. That’s why the EMF only went off half the time. We thought we were going crazy.
That scene kinda made me melt a bit. Because Sam had denied Bobby's existence so much that I thought - still think - that he NEEDED Bobby to not be there, because if he WERE, he'd have refused to talk to Sam. And I can't imagine how much that would hurt. So one reason why he denied ghost-Bobby was hope that he wasn't being less important than Dean, not good enough to connect to Bobby.
So his relief now comes from the same core: it wasn't that Bobby didn't WANT to talk to him, it was that he couldn't.

Poor Sammy :-(

And right then I had this feeling that sometime in the next four episodes, that’s exactly what was going to happen. I hope it’s after Bobby helps them finish this – finish the Leviathans and Dick Roman. I hope the writers allow that before his flask heads to the flames and his soul to peace.

Yeah, me too. Still, how cool would it be when they burn the flask and Bobby still stays. So he could do what I said in the beginning, bear witness and only blinking out when his boys do so as well. *wipes tears away at the thought*

And he wanted the reassurance that there was a chance of peace when he was done. That Bobby really was “in a better place.” Not stuck observing a life of never-ending struggle and weariness.

Yes, I think that was it. There HAS to be hope for them, peace when they were done (yepp, I can still quote it even if they don't play it!)and Bobby might be throwing HIS peace away by refusing the reaper. Pretty sure he did already? I don't know how it works. I sure wish for Bobby to get his peace, one way or another.

I so hope they give you something at the end of this story, kiddo. I hope they give you a reward for having hope.
So true!
And to quote Sam: "I think hope's kinda the point"

Thanks for your ramble, and have LOADS of fun at Disney-World. No, I'm not at all envious *shakes head*
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Apr. 21st, 2012 04:20 pm (UTC)
Hi, it has been awhile. My fault, I know. Life has calmed down some and I can indulge in my show and catching your ramble. I'm feeling quite lucky about that.

Many things to like about this episode. I too am enjoying the boys getting along. They seem to have a better balanced partnership after all they have been through.

As an aside, part of me wonders if the loss of the Impala has something to do with it. Dean always drove, and that for me was a strong visual signal. He often took the drivers seat in hunts as well, coming up with great solutions to problems presented. Sam seemed to chafe at Dean's lead. Sam's irritation at Dean over Dean's protective gestures towards the Impala, for me mirrored the conflict. I've missed the Impala, she is a big part of the family dynamic. I've missed Dean driving. I've enjoyed watching him drive these last couple of episodes. I'm choosing to ignore the drinking and driving issue, like I had to ignore the guy w/ hallucinations driving issue.

Yep, enjoyed the shower scene too. As well as the T shirt fit on Dean, pretty sure the scene would have been better without it. The reflection of him in the mirror with the towel around his hips would bear witness to this. Setting drool bucket aside now.

Dean is so sad about Bobby, I feel so bad. He really wanted to believe Bobby was helping him, but facing that reality is no joy. I know you see Sam's hopefulness as being a good thing, but I can't help but feel it is another avoidance tactic on Sam's part. Any time Sam wants to "pardon" a supernatural creature, it is because he doesn't want to deal with the necessary actions. Generally that leaves it up to Dean. No wonder Dean looks burdened.

I give props to Ghost Bobby. I always thought if done well it could add to the story line. I'm looking forward to seeing where it goes.

Enjoy Disney with the family! Say hey to the Mickster for us. I hope you have a great time.

Ciao for now.
Apr. 21st, 2012 08:14 pm (UTC)
Hi there! Welcome back -- very good to see you. Hope you'll be able to come by for the Final Four...episodes of the season, that is. ;)

Okay, your musing about the absence of the Impala and it's affect on the brother's dynamic is incredibly interesting. I'm going to have to mull that one over a bit because I'd not thought of it that way before.

I know you see Sam's hopefulness as being a good thing, but I can't help but feel it is another avoidance tactic on Sam's part. Any time Sam wants to "pardon" a supernatural creature, it is because he doesn't want to deal with the necessary actions. Generally that leaves it up to Dean. No wonder Dean looks burdened.

I can see what you mean here. I kinda think, though, that Dean would feel burdened regardless of if Sam had hope or not. In fact, I think it might hit him harder if Sam were hopeless because Sam tends to project his feelings to everyone around him -- and since right now "everyone" is Dean, a despondent Sam would be a greater weight than a hopeful Sam (totally IMO).

I think maybe it's my filter that's looking at Sam's hope as a good thing. From a personal perspective, I need hope to be rewarded, but I can definitely see Sam's "do you think we could make this work" being an avoidance tactic. However, I think when it comes down to it, both brothers have taken the bull by the horns and done what needed to be done, depending on the situation and the strength of the other brother.

I think that if there a "dealing with it" to that has to happen with Bobby, either or both of them would be able to do it. They'll hate it, and it'll hurt like hell, and I think it will dig a deeper hole in Dean than Sam, but I think either of them will be able to do it.

I am with you -- totally looking forward to seeing where this goes. :)

We are looking forward to Disney! Need an honest-to-goodness family vacation. :) I hope to see you here when I get back.

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Apr. 21st, 2012 05:05 pm (UTC)
I loved the episode and your ramble. The plot holes are starting to bother me though. They are better than that and I don't understand why they are getting so sloppy. Anyhow, Dean and the shower. Anyone notice it was only his shirt that was on the hook? Lol! I like that Dean was less than happy with Bobby actually being there. I think he is not only worried about how it might end, but that it will end again. He had been going through the grieving process and was past the hardest part. The thought of doing it again is probably overwhelming.
Apr. 21st, 2012 08:18 pm (UTC)
Anyone notice it was only his shirt that was on the hook?

Dude! Right there with you! I wanted there to be a Dean-with-towel-around-his-waist moment! :)

I think he is not only worried about how it might end, but that it will end again.

Yeah, I'm with you. It wasn't that he hoped Bobby was a ghost...it was that he was given signs that something was out there, helping them, and what if it were Bobby...? And then no, it's not. And okay, he can deal with that because, like he said, even if he wanted to see him again, it's better that they don't. Only, wait! It really is Bobby and now he has to recenter himself yet again.

I am really looking forward to how they play this out. Thank you so much for reading and taking time to comment! :)
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Apr. 21st, 2012 05:11 pm (UTC)
I liked this episode: a good stand-alone MOTW story. And I even found a bit of it scary (which is something I haven't found on this show in a LOOONG time).

I liked the story; I liked Annie; I liked the twist with the evil ghost and his henchman. I liked the scene with the boys in the resturant- don't see them in many places like that.

And I LOVED Bobby.

But I wasn't satisfied with Dean's reaction at the end of the show.

This idea of "what's dead should stay dead" is long gone from this show. Dean and Sam have both died so many times and Dean even brought Sam back from death. Death does not hold the same meaning on this show as it does in real life.
So Dean's whole "this is wrong" attitude bothered me.

At first I thought it was because he was concerned about Bobby being trapped as an vengeful spirit for eternity. And yeah, I am sure that was a definite thought. But that didn't come out to me in the way he talked to Bobby and about Bobby.

After weeks of having hints that Bobby was still around and weeks of Dean being treated by Sam as though he was too deeply inmersed in his grief and he was going off the deep end here both boys finally see that Dean was right.

Sam showed relief- I think as much for Dean as for anything else. Dean showed more anger than anything else.
Did not like that.

And then I read some posts on the site I go to often that Bobby was being a whiny brat!

Let's see: Bobby gives up "heaven" and risks being trapped for eternity so he can stay and help the boys; he struggles and struggles to find a way to communicate with them- and then when he finally does he is greeted with more anger than any kind of relief and happiness.

Gee, I think I might be a little bit "whiny" too.

If Dean and Sam can come back from the dead over and over and over again I see no reason at all why Bobby can't. I don't want him to remain a ghost. I am hoping if there is an 8th season the character will be restored as a human being- just like the boys were each and every time they died and came back.

Bobby's "death" (just like the loss of the Impala) have had a clear impact on the boys and the show. The boys have gone downhill- and so has the show. Now I am not saying they can't function well and go on without him (and if the show had good writers) perhaps they would have already. But I am saying that I don't expect them too- and they haven't. We have seen the effect of his loss on them. We have seen grief definitely take a hold of Dean and that is a good thing. Because grief should have a dire impact on the character. Somehow Sam seems to have been mostly uneffected by Bobby's Death. Haven't understood that but lousy writers have poor influences on all characters.

I just felt Dean's reaction to seeing Bobby again was too cold and too angry. I could see that possibly coming after a day or two of thought but not instantly. You know how much I love Dean and I just do not believe this would be his instant reaction to seeing the man he loved so much once again.

I am very glad Bobby is back but I do hope it is not as a ghost and then gone. I want him back as a person again and on a show like this I don't find it an impossible request.

Glad we do not have to wait another month for the next episode!

Have a wonderful time at Disney World. We were there years ago but I would love to go back again once my youngest is able to go on the rides.

My best to you and yours,
Apr. 21st, 2012 08:34 pm (UTC)
Hi you! Thanks for coming by, reading and commenting.

Well, I don't know about these other posts you've read about Bobby being a whiny brat, but I certainly didn't see that. Sure he sounded pissy there at the end, but why shouldn't he? He's frustrated and maybe even knows that Dean has a point about it not being right, but he made the choice both because he felt his job wasn't done and because of the boys and things are a LOT tougher than he probably thought they'd be.

Who among us hasn't gotten a bit pissy when things haven't worked out quite like we planned or wanted them to and yet we're stuck in a forward motion we can't stop?

As for Dean...I may have to think on your thought process a bit here. I do get where you're coming from because it could seem hypocritical to say, essentially, 'what worked for me can't work for you.'

But I have to wonder...where does it end? Where is the line drawn? Just because it's happened before, that means it can keep happening? Just because they've all died and come back before writes the rules for their fates forever and ever amen? I hope not.

I hope that there can be a sea change at some point that says, yes, this time, death is death. For all the reasons I cited in my ramble. For life to hold meaning, it has to be finite.

I guess I just didn't see Dean's reaction as cold. More...sad and disappointed. Which was a little surprising to me at first, but not once I started writing up the ramble. Sam's relief was pure Sam. More of an oh, wow, you're here coupled with a so we're not going crazy, we really did see those things. But even he said in a sad voice that he didn't want Bobby to stay if he had to stay "like this."

With Dean (and this is just my opinion...kind of thinking out loud here), I think it was more of a case of thinking he wanted something -- as Sam astutely pointed out in the last episode -- simply because he missed it so much. But once it was there, reality crashed down and he realized he didn't really want it after all. Not like this.

It reminds me of the story of the Monkey's Paw in a way. The elderly mom wishing for her dead son to return and hearing the scratch-rasp of his corpse making it's way to the door and the dad wishing him away because that wasn't what they'd meant.

I also think it might have been different for Dean if Bobby had just gotten stuck -- like those other ghosts in the house that the reapers hadn't come for. Like Annie. If Bobby hadn't had a choice, I think Dean's reaction would have been different because then Bobby would have been someone he could help.

But the fact that Bobby chose to stay -- knowing full well what it meant to turn into a vengeful spirit, and after he'd admonished/berated Dean for making a deal to save Sam, and after what Dean and been through with Death to save Sam's soul -- is what crushed Dean, I think. Bobby chose to buck the system and now he's there and Dean knows it isn't right and he knows that something is going to have to be done about it eventually and he knows that the responsibility is going to fall on him and Sam and the weight of that knowledge is just so great...I don't blame him for sounding what some might call cold.

It'll be interesting to see which of us gets our preferences -- a ghost and gone, or returning as a person. I think either way they go, I'll enjoy it. I mean, it's our show! :) We've hung in there this long.

The hubs and Mo Chuisle have never been to Disney, but I was there when I was 19 and 21 visiting a friend who worked as a character. I'm really excited about this because it's for her 6th b-day (which isn't until July 4th, but Florida in July is...well, hot! LOL!) and we haven't had an honest-to-goodness family vacation in a long time.

Hope all is well with you and I look forward to hearing from you when we get back! :)

ETA: Just wanted to say that I do see where you're coming from; don't take my alternate opinion as me saying you're wrong. Just seeing it slightly differently. I like how you are able to be more critical where I hand wave or allow. It helps me keep things in focus. :)

Edited at 2012-04-21 08:41 pm (UTC)
Apr. 21st, 2012 07:07 pm (UTC)
The one thing I really found really interesting about the guys seeing Bobby and realizing he was actually a ghost was that, despite the fact that they miss this man terribly they weren’t exactly thrilled at the choice he made no matter the reasoning behind it. Not only had they, if not made peace with his death, they at least had come to grips with it and now they have to totally re-evaluate how they feel about what they truly believe and how they feel about Bobby being back and how to deal with it.

(Small aside, Bodega Bay is where the movie “The Birds” took place.)

I thought the guys finding out that they had each had a ‘moment’ with Annie was hilarious.

And in this one moment, so to speak, your mother was absolutely right. People won’t eat off a fork they saw 5 other people use, but they’d have sex with any stranger that had had sex with those same other people ?

At first I thought Sam’s comment about the flask was exactly what he meant, and he probably did.

At night, when I get up for whatever reason, as you know, I’m stark blind, but I never turn on the bathroom lights or look in the mirror, especially when we lived in my mother’s old house. So I totally am with you there.

Shower scene. The bare arm and shoulder reaching out to get the towel I managed to keep still over but my blood pressure skyrocketed.
And I already told you what I did with my husband sitting right beside me while Dean was standing there with his wet hair…

Dean calling for Slimer cracked me up.

If ever there was a truth to “be careful what you wish for” this is it.

Edited at 2012-04-21 07:08 pm (UTC)
Apr. 21st, 2012 08:39 pm (UTC)
The one thing I really found really interesting about the guys seeing Bobby and realizing he was actually a ghost was that, despite the fact that they miss this man terribly they weren’t exactly thrilled at the choice he made no matter the reasoning behind it.

Yes, I loved that, too. Gave such a weight...almost a 'realness' to everything.

And in this one moment, so to speak, your mother was absolutely right.

OMG -- did you EVER think you'd say those words?!? LOL!

That shower scene -- and the .gifs that have been posted here in other comments -- will keep me going for quite some time. Good. Lord.

If ever there was a truth to “be careful what you wish for” this is it.

Dude. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Did you get my text? Miss you. *hugs*
(no subject) - thruterryseyes - Apr. 21st, 2012 08:45 pm (UTC) - Expand
Apr. 21st, 2012 07:41 pm (UTC)
A friend told me this morning that she was mad at Dean for being so harsh to Bobby. I understand her reaction, and I had a momentarily similar response to his words & their effect on Bobby, but your ramble very eloquently explains Dean's feelings.
Dean wants the same peace for Bobby (& everyone else he's lost) that he yearns for himself one day. I think he understands why Bobby stayed, but with everything Dean has ever experienced, and especially in his current state of depression, he cannot envision any way in which Bobby's choice ends well. Why would he?
Bobby has a valid argument in that there is still work to be done and he wants to help; Dean used that same reasoning in resisting reaper Tessa in "In My Time of Dying". Yet I believe he was truly ready to go with her until John made the deal & took the choice away from Dean (although I'm glad he did or we wouldn't still have our show!) And yes, our Dean is going to feel guilty about GhostBobby too!

I'm as confused as Dean about what to do next, how to feel about Bobby... I love him & it's so bittersweet to have him back but I don't want to see him become vengeful & have to be hunted. Never! Dean wanted so badly to believe he was still there, but once he was faced with the visual reality, he realized the harsh truth of what that meant. We'll see what happens.

I loved seeing hope in Sam's thoughts again, after the utter defeat he had manifested in "The Born Again Identity".

Oh, and Dean in the shower... be still my heart!

Have fun at Disney!!
Apr. 21st, 2012 08:47 pm (UTC)
To be honest, I was surprised when a friend on Twitter said something about how some people thought Dean was mean to Bobby or that he didn't have room to talk about "going against nature." I totally didn't think of it that way. It never once occurred to me that Dean was anything but sad or disappointed...and maybe a little scared.

After I read through some comments, I could see where people were coming from, but it didn't change my opinion about his reaction.

I think he understands why Bobby stayed, but with everything Dean has ever experienced, and especially in his current state of depression, he cannot envision any way in which Bobby's choice ends well. Why would he?

EXACTLY. This is exactly where I'm coming from. There's a difference between understanding something...and accepting it. And agree -- I think Dean was going to go with Tessa, too, until John saved him. And then everything was spun out for him.

I have no idea what they'll do next -- I mean I know what I hope for, but I'm really excited to see where they take it. It could be really good. :) I hope to see you after the episodes so we can chat about them a bit. :)

And that shower scene? Will keep me going for awhile.

See you after Disney!!
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