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My goodness, I love our show. I just…I do. I love it, plot holes, nit-picks, leaps of faith and all. It always entertains me. I don’t want to say too much above the cut except…I really liked this one.

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Apr. 25th, 2012 10:56 pm (UTC)
Hi Gaelic. You're probably on your trip to the Magic Kingdom - hope all of you are having a fabulous time!

I liked this episode quite a bit and agree with you on just about every aspect of the story. Five words: Dean shower scene; wet hair. Wow. The man is pure beauty! Love the gifs in the comment area. Thanks amber 1970!

I wasn't surprised that Dean wished that Bobby had moved on to his reward. Although Dean misses him, I think that he really did learn a lesson about the "natural order" from Death and took it to heart. And I think that the line "what are the odds that this ends well" probably says it all. :( Here Bobby just wants to help the boys and will more than likely make things harder on them. I am waiting with bated breath to see how things go. Honestly, I wish that Bobby had not been killed off, but I don't want him riding in the car next season. Either bring him back to life (which would really cheapen "At Death's Door"), or let him move on. One way or the other, Sera has made a mess of things concerning Bobby - the beloved character that he is. :(

Loved all of Dean's expressions in this one. I swear that Jensen puts his all into every scene and makes me feel everything that Dean is feeling. I do wish Sam and Dean had more scenes in this one, because I was liking their interaction very much.

Agree that Annie was an Ellen doppelganger to be sure. ;) In fact I did a double-take when we first saw her. Also, the haunted mansion was the hotel from "Playthings" in S2. They tried to hide the facade with foliage, but I still recognized it. ;)

BTW, a side note (haven't read all the comments to see if this has been mentioned), the probability of S8 is very strong because Show hired Jeremy Carver to replace Sera as show-runner. They wouldn't do that if there were just a few episodes left, IMO. No official word yet, but I suspect one last season is in the cards. I'm really stoked about this news since I think the show will improve creatively with Carver at the helm. Let's hope so.

Enjoy your Mo Chuisle as she takes in all the wonder in that magical place. Those moments are precious! I'll see you back next week. Until then...


Apr. 26th, 2012 05:06 am (UTC)
Irish!! It feels like forever since we've talked! :) *glomps you*

Thank you so much for reading and returning to write your thoughts. I appreciate that so much.

Those .gifs were gifts, weren't they? I keep scrolling down to watch them over and over and over and over and then one more time. :)

Honestly, I wish that Bobby had not been killed off, but I don't want him riding in the car next season. Either bring him back to life (which would really cheapen "At Death's Door"), or let him move on.

I agree. I am excited to see how this plays out, but I have definite opinions on what I'd prefer to see.

Loved all of Dean's expressions in this one.

OMG, I know. Sometimes I want to create a "Dean's expressions" flipbook and just fan through it. :)

I had heard about the changing of the guards, but nothing about S8 being for sure, so I'll just continue to hope that this shift in roles is a positive one. If they do it right, I'd be okay with this season being the end, but if there's a chance for a new vision, I'm all for seeing how that plays out, too! More Dean is a good thing. :)

We leave tomorrow morning for the Happiest Place On Earth and Mo Chuisle is so excited! I barely got her to sleep tonight. :)

'See' you when we get back!


Apr. 25th, 2012 11:13 pm (UTC)
Hi there,

Yes it’s me, had a tough week. Dad’s feeling much better but the hospital isn’t letting him go and it all has become one big annoyance for the whole family.

I watched the episode live, but my heart wasn’t that much in it. I’m worried this season is sucking all my passion for the show out of me. Not that I think that’d be ever possible but honestly it’s not really doing it for me. Each of us has a different preference, some like MOTW episodes, some like the mytharc. I’ve always been a mytharc type of gal and Supernatural always managed to keep a healthy balance mixing the two. Except this season. This season IMO they went overboard and turned the show into a MOTWaton, hence the negative impact on me.

I’m still holding out for them to get back to the main story but we are at the home stretch, only 4 episodes left, and if I see or hear another irrelevant story about a ghost or monster or a guest star who won’t stick around I swear I’m going to switch off. I’d be sad but I’d do it.

Regarding Ghost!Bobby:

this could really add layers and story potential way.

We were talking about this with a few other fans on the IMDB forum and a lot of them agreed with me that this has potential yet may serve to further distract from the actual plot of the season. There were those seemingly undefeatable things called the Leviathans that once existed on our radar and now appear to be extinct. Ghost Bobby and Funny Garth are fine but we desperately need to get back to the main baddies.

Regarding Annie:

I wished they had introduced her before this episode so we could at least have some emotional connection with her. It seemed too abrupt and completely out of left field that both boys and Bobby had such a close connection with this woman we’d never met.

I have to say I really enjoyed the boys being brothers again in this episode. Just…getting along. Things felt really easy and right between them. It was nice.

I agree. But they’d done that in previous seasons while they moved through the main storyline. They don’t need to take a break from their perils to have a brotherly moment. I personally like it better when they mixed comedy, family moments, angst and action together.

So this is one aspect of this episode that I really liked – the ghost-eye view.

Yes, I liked this too.

that is one of the reasons I thought having Bobby as a ghost could offer such layered storytelling in a supernatural-themed show.

I see what you’re getting at and I partly agree. Just as I thought having Castiel as an angel on the team would be interesting (something that I sadly think is gone,) having a ghost on the team would open the story up to many possibilities. But only as long as they use it wisely and creatively, not as yet another crutch for the boys to lean on, or an easy fix.

Bobby: Yeah. Than a doornail. Bad news. If you can see me…you are, too.

Wouldn’t she know that already, considering she can walk through walls yet is unable to pick up a dime?

He tells them to try to move the candle first. When both of them try, but their hands go through it, he tells them that they’re “angsting” at it. That they have to calm themselves and let go of all of “that” and tell the thing what to do. Either that or use explosive anger and red-hot rage.

I thought it was always about high voltage emotions and never about being calm. In the premier of season two Dean could only knock over the cup of water when he became angry at Sam and John. Maybe they added the “calm” thing so that Ghost Bobby didn’t have to always be strung out on emotions to get things done.

Haskell gestures to an old, scarred woman staring around vacantly before he moves away.

Ok, I can get behind the staring around vacantly, but why the hell are they deteriorating? Aren’t they ethereal? Aren’t they supposed to look the same forever? Or is it a projection of what their physical bodies are looking like in their stage of decay? And if that’s the case why aren’t there skeleton ghosts walking around?

Apr. 26th, 2012 05:11 am (UTC)
Oh, hon. I'm so sorry you've had a tough week. *hugs you tight* Sometimes we just need a break, don't we? I'm glad your Dad is feeling better and you have my prayers that he's able to come home from the hospital very, very soon.

Re: the show.

I like how you called out that there are those who like the MotW and those who like the arch. I think that, for me, if the arch is WORTH liking, I'm more of an arch girl. I liked it with S2 and S3 for sure. But when the arch isn't holding my interest -- like with the Leviathans -- I'm comfortable shifting my attention to the MotW. Right now, they're more intriguing to me. Ride in, deal with baddie, ride out. Like a western. Have gun will travel.

But, if the Levi's get theirs in the last 4 episodes, I'll STILL be happy, MotW or not. :)

With my show, they have to make someone soulless for me to not be happy. ;)

Still -- you have a point that there is a possibility to bring in other characters and aspects (like the "ghost POV") while keeping the main arch running strong. They just...haven't really done that.

I didn't get why the ghosts were decaying either. Why some of them showed their wounds and others didn't. Or for that matter, why the Reapers hadn't come for the ghosts trapped at the house. I don't know that I'm completely clear on the "ghost rules" as written by SPN.

But that's okay. I was still plenty entertained. :)
Apr. 25th, 2012 11:14 pm (UTC)
But…those thoughts were summarily banished in the next moment as Dean peeked out from behind the shower curtain and reached for a towel.

Oh please don’t remind me how they failed to treat us to a glorious shot of “Dean in a towel”. I was praying so much for it and ended up really disappointed.

Annie convinces Victoria to show herself to the boys because they can help free her. She flashes visible and the boys are like Whoa!

I didn’t catch how she could show herself to the living by choice while Annie and Bobby couldn’t. Then again, there were a lot of things in this episode I didn’t understand. Like how Van Hess was killing the other ghosts, why he didn’t kill Bobby and Annie before following the boys, why Bobbie suddenly became visible after being attacked by Van Hess, and how he couldn’t move a quarter when earlier in the season he managed to empty a bottle of beer.

Dean (turning to Bobby, his back to Sam): What were you thinking, Bobby? You should be in Heaven right now, drinking beer at Harvelle’s.

Maybe it’s just me but at this point in time, with what Bobby knows about Heaven and all that’s happened in it, I don’t think it would be that high on his list of places to go.

Sam: What do you think we should do?

At this point I was hurting for them too, and getting frustrated on top of it. Just a few episodes ago they were wondering what to do with a catatonic Castiel. Now Ghost Bobby is added to their worries. And we haven’t even gotten to Dick Roman.

If anyone knows about the natural order of things, it’s Dean.

I liked this throwback to Appointment in Samarra. It shows that Dean did learn something from Death and that he now knows better than anyone what tampering with fate costs the natural order. And it’s so in-character for Dean that it was what happened to the others that that drove the lesson home, not all the bad things you listed that happened to him.

I think it’s more than fear that Bobby will turn vengeful.

I think so too. And if they are going to carry Ghost Bobby into the next season I hope that’s the dilemma they’d focus on. But only if they don’t sacrifice the main plot in favor of a Bobby centric mini arc like they did with so many mini arcs this season.

A side note: I’m watching “White Collar” now and really getting into it. I am almost done with season two and I was browsing the fanfics when I saw a few from you. I’m delighted that we share yet another fandom and not at all surprised. Great minds tend to gravitate to great shows and I’m more that happy that I found yet another one to fangirl over (or it could be the hot guys from Texas that draw us in like bees to honey.)

Have fun at Disneyworld. Chiao.

Apr. 26th, 2012 05:15 am (UTC)
Dean + towel WOULD HAVE = Awesome. But I'll settle for the wet hair. I can't explain why that worked. It just really, really did. :)

The ghost being visible thing I just took as a sign of how much power and/or control they'd gained. Like Bobby's figured out how to move things and whatnot, so now he had the power/strength to make himself seen. As did Victoria. *shrug*

I liked this throwback to Appointment in Samarra. It shows that Dean did learn something from Death and that he now knows better than anyone what tampering with fate costs the natural order. And it’s so in-character for Dean that it was what happened to the others that that drove the lesson home, not all the bad things you listed that happened to him.

YES. Totally agree.

But only if they don’t sacrifice the main plot in favor of a Bobby centric mini arc like they did with so many mini arcs this season.

Yeah, agreed here, too.

I really enjoy "White Collar". I've only written one fanfic for it; if you read, I hope you enjoy. I write a (much, much shorter, simpler) review for the show on a site called www.yourentertainmentcorner.com -- but it's not nearly as much fun as this. I'm limited to 900 words and they have a lot of other 'rules' I have to play inside. I much prefer my Ramble. ;)

But it's a good show. And those Texas boys...mmmmMMM.

We leave in the morning for Disney -- YAY!

'See' you when we get back -- hope you have a MUCH better week.

Apr. 26th, 2012 06:11 pm (UTC)
I tried three times to leave a comment, and it wouldn't let me! My answers are getting shorter and shorter!

Episode- loved it!
Problems- thought Haskell was confusing.
Especially loved- Dean being upset Bobby is back.

*fingers crossed* Maybe this will post!
Apr. 27th, 2012 02:06 am (UTC)
Darn LJ issues!! I like your longer comments. But any comment from you makes me happy. :)

And yeah, I didn't really get Haskell (except I guess they needed someone to be the "Subway Ghost" and teach them the ways of the ghost Force). At first I thought he was the same guy who'd been yelling at Dexter on the stairs. Took me a bit to realize there was more than one Suited Ghost. LOL!

Thanks for reading and commenting. 'See' you when we get back!!
Apr. 27th, 2012 04:24 am (UTC)
That's what I thought too! I spent half the episode wondering why the bad guy had been nice to the ghosts at first! Then I wondered why he wasn't scared of Van Hess like the others. It was weird.


Apr. 27th, 2012 04:56 am (UTC)
just stopped by to say hello
I loved this episode! But then I have enjoyed watching all the episodes this season, except one.

It has been so wonderful to have Dean and Sam just hunting and getting to see them be brothers again. I have always enjoyed a good old fashion hunt.

You have said it is safe to disagree with you, so I will say that I miss Bobby and if he could hang around for awhile just being a ghost then I would love it. Bobby's death episode was great and honored the hunter we all loved and it has opened up storylines for Dean and Sam, but I don't think Ms. Gamble and Mr. Singer made the right choice to kill Bobby.

OK, back to the episode. I loved the opening scene with the brothers by the car, though if it had been the Impala it would have been a perfect screen shot. When we heard the phone ringing and Dean answered his, my first thought was he changed his ringtone, no wonder Sam didn't know if it was his phone or Dean's.

I wasn't sure if I was suppose to remember Annie from another case or not, but did think her voice sounded like Ellen's a bit.

What an unusual moment to find out Bobby, Dean and Sam all 'knew' Annie. Though I had to laugh when Sam justified his time with her because he was soulless.

I loved the way the motel scene was played and we got to see Bobby sitting in the chair while Dean and Sam talked about the case.

Thanks for explaining that Bobby was saying his name in French after entering the haunted house.

I enjoyed the scenes between Bobby and Annie. Bobby was probably glad to finally be able to talk to someone, though sad it was his dead friend.

I have to admit I replayed the shower scene a few times. First because of Dean shaking his wet hair and second because Dean and Sam finally got a message from Bobby. (though it is probably my imagination but interesting reflection in the mirror of Dean when they read Bobby's message)

This episode was just fun to watch! I enjoyed the car scene as the brothers fought off Van Hess and I wondered if he was trying to put his hand through Sam's back too. It was great to see Dean save Sam.

I did wonder how Van Hess was trying to kill Bobby when he didn't have his body to burn.

Awesome moment when Dean and Sam finally were able to see Bobby. I was afraid the show was just teasing us and it would never happen. I can understand why Bobby stayed and also why Dean and Sam are worried about what will happen next. I'm worried too. I don't want to cry anymore, so I'm not ready to say goodbye to Bobby again. Why can't we have a friendly ghost hangaround for awhile?

It will be interesting to see what happens next and the wonderful part is that I'm looking forward to it. Now if the CW would just announce that they have renewed "SN" for an eighth season, it would be perfect.

Thanks for letting me stop by and visit. Have a wonderful vacation!

Apr. 29th, 2012 01:07 am (UTC)
Re: just stopped by to say hello
Hi there! Thank you for stopping by, for reading, and for taking time to leave me your thoughts. :)

Yes, it's always okay to disagree with me, share various viewpoints, point other things out...any of that. But honestly, you really didn't disagree. Not exactly. I am right there with you in thinking the episode where Bobby died honored him -- and thinking that they shouldn't have killed him off in the first place. And I think that having him hang around as a ghost for awhile would be good, too, but...eventually I do want him to have some peace. I don't want him to get vengeful and I do want him to be able to call it quits at some point. Because he deserves it.

But I know what you mean about missing him. :)

I agree with your post. :) It was good to read your thoughts.

Thanks for taking the time -- and I'll see you when we get back from Disney!
Apr. 27th, 2012 02:47 pm (UTC)
It’s taken me a while to get to this, but I always like to reserve my final judgment until I’ve read your ramble. We seem to like the same things in our show and you often are able to hand-wave or even see the value in some of the things others waste time flailing about. I say they waste time not because their opinion isn’t valid, but because it’s entertainment. It’s supposed to fun. When it stops being fun, then it’s time to move on.

And I found this episode very entertaining. It offered a good old fashioned ghost story, the boys being brothers, we got to see Bobby and I thought the running “foxhole” joke was pretty funny. And, DEAR GOD, didn’t Dean look good?!? I swear that boy must’ve made another deal with a devil, because he just keeps getting better looking!

I’m sure you’ve heard by now, but they finally announced that Supernatural would be picked up for Season 8 yesterday. I knew it was going to happen, but still…

* does happy dance*

I have a confession to make. Two, actually. First, I am so obsessed with our little show that recently I “accidentally” had the name “Thomas Colton” (sans Padalecki) put on a cake I ordered for a co-worker’s baby shower (luckily we caught the error in time! ha!)

Second, I miss the Impala so much that I recently bought a die-cast toy Chevy Impala I found at the drug store. It wasn’t 1967 model, but it was only $5 and why shouldn’t I buy myself a toy? It now sits on my desk at work.
Apr. 29th, 2012 01:10 am (UTC)
I always like to reserve my final judgment until I’ve read your ramble

Thank you! That was sweet. :) I'm glad this offers you some validation. :)

When it stops being fun, then it’s time to move on.

Agreed! No flailing here. Some hand-waving, a few questions, perhaps. But that's basically it. ;)

Dean was just...hummina hummina. I have only seen the episode once, but I NEED TO watch it again. :)

I saw your post that S8 has been announced, but then I saw on Twitter that it was an old article about S7 people were referencing, so...? Now I'm not sure. :(

IMPALA!!! We need her back.

Okay, I gotta go -- but wanted to make sure I replied to this. :) 'See' you when we get back!
Apr. 28th, 2012 02:23 am (UTC)
So Rumor has it today that we have been renwed for a season 8 :).. and I am not very good at placing comments regarding the episodes. I am much better at reading :) and I wanted to say thank you for your reviews becase I get so hectic and I cant always watch the episodes so it helps to just be able to read ur reviews, see whats going on, and then take my time to watch the episodes.

Oddly enough I am enjoying the season more, by first reading your posts and then watching the episodes. I love the way you break it down and how much soul you put into them. THanks
Apr. 29th, 2012 01:11 am (UTC)
Thank you for reading the reviews! :) I'm so pleased they offer you some entertainment. :) Hee. And I hope you enjoy the episodes after you get a chance to go back and watch. Especially the ones (like this one) where staring at Dean is a MUST.

Thanks for seeing the soul that's here. Because that's exactly what it is. :)

Catch ya next time!
Apr. 28th, 2012 06:28 am (UTC)
From the fanboy demographic
Aussie at large - I'm in your neck of the woods. Do you have the links for this episode and the next one to watch online on hand? I'm in Salt Lake City, and figured all the links that don't work for me in Oz should work here. At this rate the old man will see them at home before I do. Would have watched it on Yankee tv tonight, but got roped into client dinner. All I can get from the CW are previews. Cheers!
Apr. 29th, 2012 01:14 am (UTC)
Re: From the fanboy demographic
Hey -- writing you from Disneyworld. :) Don't know if you're still in Utah, but I know that www.cwtv.com replays the episodes a few days after they air. Try this link:


Hopefully that works. I haven't seen 7.20 (Girl with the Dungeons and Dragons Tattoo) yet -- won't have time to watch until we get back from vacay, but I know 7.19 is up.

Good luck! And if you get to watch, come back and chat me up. :)
May. 1st, 2012 12:00 pm (UTC)
So just got back from Germany and watched the eps I missed, and now to reading the reviews...

"I think it’s Dean getting something he thought he wanted – seeing Bobby again – and realizing that it wasn’t really what he wanted after all. Sam had been right – he’d just really missed Bobby, which was real, and right, and natural. But now he sees that it’s not over for Bobby and that’s just another weight on Dean, added to the burden he already bears."

I think you hit the nail on the head!

Have fun in Disneyworld! Looking forward to your review of 7.20!
May. 2nd, 2012 06:31 pm (UTC)
Hi yay! You're back!! :) Was it wonderful? Did you get a lot of Grandma time? I'm glad you're back, but I bet you're missing them already.

I got home late last night, then got up early this morning to watch 7.20, so I'll have a Ramble posted as soon as I wade through (literally) 250 work emails and get some fires put out there. I'm really enjoying this season.

Disney was wonderful -- Mo Chuisle had a blast, but the hubs and I are exhausted. It's for the kid in all of us (and I had FUN being a kid), but I think you actually NEED to be a kid to keep up with everything. I swear we walked like...3,000 miles this weekend. LOL!

Okay, um, show. Yes, Dean is going to break my heart yet again with how they are trying to deal with Bobby. Guh. I can't wait to see what they have in store for us coming up!

I'll watch for you to swing by for the 7.20 Ramble before we all get to watch 7.21. :)

May. 5th, 2012 08:19 pm (UTC)
Was I alone in getting teary when the boys watched Bobby's name appear on the mirror and worse still when he finally managed to appear to the boys? just.choked!

I love the idea of Bobby being around, the third man, erm ghost to help out in his uniquely Bobby-way. I was quite shocked at Dean's reaction, not what I expected at all. But in retrospect, I suppose the heartache that would follow if anything befell Ghostly Bobby, maybe that would be too much for Dean, kinda camel/straw.

Eppy-wise I loved the storyline, the scary big guy who wasn't so scary after all had me chuckling that he was the good guy and then Van Hess turns on the kids, blurgh!

Love this one.

Catching up, slowly, FA Cup done *whispers* we won!

Jane :)
May. 5th, 2012 09:53 pm (UTC)
Was I alone in getting teary when the boys watched Bobby's name appear on the mirror and worse still when he finally managed to appear to the boys

No...but I was admittedly still ga-ga over Dean in the shower and running his hands through his wet hair. Because. Well. Of the reason.

But in retrospect, I suppose the heartache that would follow if anything befell Ghostly Bobby, maybe that would be too much for Dean, kinda camel/straw.

Yup, exactly.

Catching up, slowly, FA Cup done *whispers* we won!

*whispers back* I know!! :) I watched the 2nd half after I got the house cleaned. It's a Soccer Saturday here -- Mo Chuisle had her game this morning, watched the FA Cup this afternoon, and the hubs and I head to watch our Sporting KC boys play Montreal Impact (MLS) tonight! Ole! Ole Ole Ole! :)

Edited at 2012-05-05 09:54 pm (UTC)
May. 5th, 2012 10:13 pm (UTC)
The shower moment, oh yes my bad for not mentioning that one!! ;) LOL.

Footie Saturday loving the sound of that. My son's team has stopped playing now (under 18's) and though we've got our Sunday's back I miss standing out in the park cheering him on. Hope that Mo had a good game and your SP KC boys won.

Jane :)
May. 24th, 2012 11:34 am (UTC)
From the fanboy demographic - take 2
Finally got to watch it - back home in Oz of all places, thanks to the old man working out how to use his TV. I caught some episodes after this one on Fridays in America, after they found out about Bobby, so was interesting to see when that happened.
- Liking this one. We generally like the old school monster/ghost stories, rather than the big picture, involved storylines that drag on. Also liking stories that are less about the Winchesters themselves, more about the stories they happen to be a part in. There was a bit of each in the earlier series, which worked for me.
- Always like hunter characters coming in. Surprising that they didn't inspire more people into the hunting life themselves in this story. Also made me wonder if hunters usually worked alone, and the Winchesters were the exception, or if they paired. Harder for supernatural things to get the drop on you paired, you'd think.
- Liked this one being creepy, mythology-type story with the ghosts trapped in the house, ghost mythology - what they can and can't do, they deteriorate over time and so on, plus the view from the other side with the hunter ghosts. Maybe we're suckers, but agreed - liking the brothers in sync, reacting an interacting smoothly. Organic, you said. Good a word as any. Don't know what it was exactly about this one that seemed like they we getting their rhythm back, but welcome.
- Wondered about this whole natural order point of view, they being posterboys for the unnatural order, but after you pointed out Dean's whole birds eye perspective after Death, it makes sense. It also brings them back to their original point of view in a way, after all the weirdness. Seems to be a bit of that going on, like they're resetting the show, both with the stories and the characters. A little less grey than it has been - they're hunters, they know what should be, what shouldn't.
- Am liking Bobby as a ghost for the same reasons you are - interesting to see where they go with it, the fine line nature of the story.
Jun. 1st, 2012 09:41 pm (UTC)
Re: From the fanboy demographic - take 2
Hey there -- I have been buried lately. Just now getting to work my way through comments -- SOOOO sorry this is so late.

Also liking stories that are less about the Winchesters themselves, more about the stories they happen to be a part in.

I agree -- it's good to have that once in awhile to give us different perspectives and spins on how things play out.

Maybe we're suckers, but agreed - liking the brothers in sync, reacting an interacting smoothly.

When it comes to that, I don't mind being a sucker. ;)

Though, this episode did leave me with some ghost-ish questions. Did they all dodge their reapers? No, because Annie never had one come for her. So how come some people get reapers and others don't? What exactly is the reaper rule here, Show? ;)

I liked Bobby as a ghost until the end. Not such a fan of the Quick and the Vengeful...but that's a comment for another ramble. ;)

Thanks for taking time to read and share your thoughts! :)

See ya!
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