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Stream of Consciousness, Episode 8.04

I like that our show can tell familiar stories in a fresh way. And I love when it can be done without breaking the fourth wall or mocking us or themselves.

Last week’s ramble was very thinky. I was trying to work my head around a good many things – and based on your most excellent comments, a lot of you were, too. I’m still not satisfied with the amount of information we’ve gotten about our boys, but I don’t think I’m supposed to be yet. I mean, it's only the 4th episode, right?

Real Life got the best of me and I haven’t been able to reply to all of the comments for 8.03 yet – I will, I promise! – but I did read all of them and I’m glad to have this additional episode break in the arc to process a bit more, to be honest. They’ve given us a lot…and also not enough. Darn writers. Bunch of teases they are.

I checked Twitter while at the soccer game last night and saw that this episode had triggered some very different reactions. It seemed that while some loved the episode for the sake of the story, others were unhappy with the fact that it was Winchester-lite. So, I went into my viewing of it this morning with a bit of apprehension.

I tell ya, I was never not engaged in the story this episode told. I thought it was well paced and acted and though we didn’t know them long, I found myself caring about the fate of the three kids we were watching. I was so engaged, in fact, that when the first commercial break came, I was surprised.

Told in the now-popular “found footage” style of Blair Witch, Paranormal Activity, Grave Experience, this was basically another MotW episode – nicely placed, I think, after two angst-heavy opening episodes that teased the hell out of us with glimpses of what our boys had been through in the year apart and led to question after question (next to each other, not stacked end-to-end) from us and a MotW episode that left us talking more about the brothers than the case itself. If they gave us all the back story and angst right up front, they’d burn out the story and their audience before we hit the half-way point in the season.

The continuity was there as far as Sam’s reluctance and Dean’s focus. There are obviously still some dance steps in their partnership they’re missing -- even in the limited time the brothers are onscreen. I felt we even saw some of Dean’s post-Purgatory pensiveness, if not his PTSD anxiety. Which would be hard to see in this manner.

Some thinky-thoughts (because it’s me, and, well, I can’t not). You can skip to the recap/bullets if you want.

I have two buckets of thought: the boys, and the story.

With the story, I couldn’t help but think about how so many compelling stories are tragic. Shakespeare had it right: love, loss, betrayal, passion, violence, sorrow, joy – they’re all tied up in the human story. Personally, a story of love without the yang of loss, betrayal, or sorrow is totally lost on me.

The most tragic figure in this love triangle, I thought, was Brian. He continually compares himself to “Piggy” from Lord of the Flies, the sad, unfortunate boy who is the leader’s best friend and is used and killed by the other boys, when who he really wants to be is “Ralph,” the confident, natural leader who ultimately defeats "Jack," the evil (what? I always thought he was evil, even if he was a kid) rebel leader, even if only by refusing to die.

The comparison to the William Golding novel isn’t heavy-handed; it’s clear from the start that Brian loves his friend Michael, admires him, and is incredibly jealous of him. In Brian’s eyes, Michael is better looking (though I thought Brian had very pretty eyes), more clever, more confident, and most damning of all – gets the girl. The girl Brian saw first. It’s that jealousy – and not lycanthropy – that poisons everything around them and I think ultimately causes the story to end the way it does. Kate’s ominous opening line, typed out like credits to the movie, is very true: “This should have never ended this way.”

Had Brian been able to control his jealousy, been honest with himself and/or his friends, things could have turned out much differently. Not sure they would have been any better for Michael, but Brian and Kate’s lives may not have been destroyed in the process. But…we’re talking college kids. Who among us was able to control our emotions, our reactions, our feelings like an adult when we were nineteen, twenty years old?

The thing that struck me about their story was how long it took for them to get scared. I don’t remember being that confident when I was young. I was always afraid of something. I was afraid of disappointing my parents, of letting down my friends, of not taking good enough care of my siblings. I was afraid I wouldn’t be enough – and that insecurity bled into fear of other things. Other drivers on the road, people in the mall, security at home (I was obsessive about making sure the doors were locked, even though we lived literally in the middle of a cornfield). When I was in charge, I always had to know where each kid was – and had to have my eyes on the little ones.

I relaxed a little bit once I moved away, but when I had Mo Chuisle, that all came back. Watching these kids running around in the dark after their neighbor had been attacked and killed by what was described as a wild animal, then later laughing about Michael’s newfound powers, just made me sad for them. They had no idea how awful life could be and they were walking blindly into the worst of it.

Leading me to the boys.

The whole episode, I couldn’t stop thinking about what it had to feel like for Sam and Dean to watch this story unfold. Too often they are forced to focus on the job, the hunt. Figure out what bad guy they’re dealing with, how to kill it, then get ‘er done. They don’t always have the time or the opportunity to see the other side. The human side.

I felt like I was sitting next to them, experiencing this as they experienced it. I kept picturing them sitting silent and still in front of the computer, watching as Michael was bitten, knowing where it was going to lead, knowing where they were at the time all of this was happening. I wondered what they thought about the ignorance of these youths who had yet to see the dark side of life that the brothers had always lived inside. I wondered what they thought of seeing themselves investigate, seeing what we see about Sam dragging his heels Dean barreling forward.

This has to toss around in their heads a bit, I would think. And there were some things I couldn’t help but be glad each of them heard. For example the way the kids got a “workplace romance” vibe from them. It’s clear that there is affection for one another – these brothers love each other, no question. But the thing about a “workplace romance” (she says, speaking from experience) is that no one can know about it which generally increases the stress between the two parties and typically leads to one of two solutions: quit the job, or quit each other (I quit the job). Well, we don’t want them to do either so the fact that complete strangers were seeing this tension – and it was pointed out to them via the movie – has me hoping they’ll air out their differences soon-ish and find a way to, as Sam said long, long ago, “be brothers again.”

(Just a sidebar – the ‘romance’ part of this analogy is just a play on words here, people. I’m talking basic, platonic, sibling love and using the episode’s language to make my point.)

Another thing that caught me was the Prof saying, “We don’t get to choose who we are.”

That point, I hoped, gave both of them food for thought. They may have been thrust into this life by tragedy, but this is who they are now. They know too much, have seen too much, and are known by too many on the other side to ever not be hunters. They could maybe set up shop somewhere, have a home, somewhere to return to. Bobby did it, why couldn’t they?

They could even have wives. Kids. Soldiers leave their home for deployment all the time. Cops go out and arrest bad guys. Yes, any of that ugliness could come back with them, affect their families, but they take precautions, teach their family what to do, when, and how. Our boys could do that same thing if they could wrap their minds around it. I think it would be a hell of a change, and I think it would be tough for them to ever breathe easy again but it could happen.

The point is, no matter how much Sam might want to quit hunting, have a normal life, the fact of the matter is, he is a hunter. He can’t change who he is. And Dean might think that he’s a just a warrior now, but he’s been a guardian, a protector, too long to not be that anymore. He’s not a cold executioner, even if that would be a lot easier for him right now. His heart is beating strong in there – it’s clear in how he reacts to the film they watch – and it’s going to start demanding attention through that shell he’s placed around himself.

Lastly, the thing that hit me with having the boys watch was Kate’s tearful decry that, “Michael wasn’t always a monster. None of us were.”

All I could think of was how much their lives have been changed by the darkness they fight. At different times, both brothers have seen themselves as monsters – because of what they have done, what they haven’t done, what is inside of them, what they have survived, how they have survived…. It makes me sad to see them feel this way about themselves, even as I get why those thoughts spin around in their heads, because I see heroes. I see sacrifice for the greater good. And this reminder – seeing these kids go from kids to monsters – could be a catalyst to the boys that they aren’t monsters, and they weren’t always “this way.” Whatever negative way they’re seeing themselves.

More thoughts peppered in the recap.

Ramble On

Things I loved: (not as many this time simply because the ‘love’ category is reserved primarily for our boys)

  • Guns ‘n Roses aliases of Rose and Hudson (though it took me a minute to remember that Slash’s real name is Saul Hudson)
  • The music  -- not classic rock, I know, but I have a ton of Alternative Rock on my iPod
  • Dean’s soft “Mmmhmmm” at the end as he stares into the middle distance

Things I liked:

  • How it just started, no THEN/NOW but catapulted us into the story coupled with showing the credits at the end when we saw the boys again.
  • They way I was drawn into the kids’ story
  • They way the boys immediately distance themselves from the pure-blood “creature” they’re hunting by calling it “best in show” and hoping it has it’s papers
  • The ill-fated love triangle story with monsters (that’s my kind of Shakespeare)
  • The fact that the recent werewolf research I did for a fic was validated in the show *laugh*

Things that were meh:

  • The local cop rolling over and calling himself a “yokel” when the boys flashed their fake badges…c’mon, son! Have more pride in your job! He was in a suit, so I’m assuming he was a detective. I want it to be a little harder sometimes for the boys to fool the local PD with their Fed persona’s – especially with Sam’s hair. And the fact that they drive a classic Impala.
  • The brush-over comment by Brian that the boys were talking about being apart for a year – I wanted to see that footage!!

Things I missed: (but am okay with because it’s only episode 4)

  • Purgatory/Benny/Cas storyline
  • Dean’s PTSD anxiety
  • Sam’s story
  • Classic Rock (yeah, okay, I like Alternative Rock, but this is Supernatural…I’m always going to miss classic rock when it’s not there)

Does anyone know the name of the song that’s playing on the iPod as we open on the bloody scene? It sounds like a new-age cover to Marvin Gaye’s “What’s the Matter with You Baby?” but I can’t tell who is singing. Even my Soundhound app didn’t know.

Anyway, blood on walls, body parts, and intact body covered by a sheet, and music on the iPod and the boys break in guns drawn. I love it when they do this. I don’t even really care if it’s accurate, I just like they way they look. Sam goes into the living room and Dean goes up the stairs, all pursed lips and furrowed brow and I just…yeah. *bites lip*

Dean comes into the living room and says that the place is clear. Sam motions to the sheet-covered body.

Sam: No ID on this guy, and no clue who is painted on the walls.

Dean: Whatever happened, we missed it.

Then they see the laptop and it’s rather macabre Alice In Wonderland-esque note saying “Play Me.” So they do. After seeing what some in fandom can do editing a video in time with a song, I wasn’t at all surprised that the student film was spliced together so expertly – complete with multiple pieces of footage and camera angles. There is some scary-good talent out there. In retrospect, I was a bit creeped out by the thought of Kate sitting in the blood-covered room finishing it…and the boys sitting in the same bloody room watching it.

After the opening words, the first part of the movie is your typical college kids being college kids. Brian is the AD Club Prez, so we have the shy, geeky-kid role, and Michael is the good-looking confident best friend. You get the sense that these two grew up together and have been best friends for years. I also got the sense that Brian has been jealous of Michael—while simultaneously looking down on his friend for his average intelligence—for a long, long time.

Brian sees a group of girls on the other side of the coffee bar where he and Michael are hanging out and starts to categorize them – y’know, this one is home-schooled, that one listens to country music, etc. But one pretty blonde with a cute, short haircut stands out for him. Michael wants to see, grabs the camera, and that’s when she spies them. She also has a camera – knows her lenses and shutter speeds, apparently –and she and Michael hit it off…even though Brian spied her first.

They all head back to the house Brian and Michael share – pretty nice house for college kids – and Michael and Kate get busy in the downstairs bedroom while Brian sits outside in the living room at his computer, editing tape, jealousy ensuing. Cut to random conversations about where they see themselves in five years and the comfort between Michael and Kate is obvious. It’s clear time has passed – enough that they’re an ‘item’ (which in college-kid time could have been all of a week). Kate wants to be a “green” lawyer, Brian wants to work for HBO, Michael wants to be on a boat in the middle of the ocean with his girl.

Then they’re in Lit class, studying Lord of the Flies, and Michael’s sleeping through it. Brian’s filming, though – and zeroes focus in on a pin on the Prof’s jacket that is a clue for later. Later, outside of the class there’s good-natured ribbing about Michael sleeping in class, Brian filming it for him – “Who loves you?” “I wish I could quit you.” – college guys being random, basically. Though, I have to say, my hubs’ friends are the only brothers he has. He grew up with them from Jr. High, through college, to now, and I’ve never heard them joke around and casually toss out the “L” word. Just saying.

A big, bullyish kid runs into Brian, knocking him down and causing him to drop his camera, and Michael gets in his face, backing him off. I think the bully is the same kid – Scott – that they encounter later, but I couldn’t really tell with the way the camera went all wonky. Would make sense, though.

Off of that altercation, though, the kids see a ruckus with cops and crowds and head over to film. Because that’s what you to when there are cops and crowds these days. There’s a body under a sheet with a spot of blood on it. Next thing you know, the Impala pulls up and our boys get out. The college kids snicker and snark calling them Starsky & Hutch, or Rizzoli & Isles.

I never watched Starsky & Hutch (I know, I know…don’t shoot me), but I do watch Rizzoli & Isles. Dean is definitely Rizzoli. *smirk*

They find out the victim’s name is Jacob Carter and that the neighbors called it in because they heard growling, like a coyote. It just occurred to me that I have no idea what town this was in, so I don’t know if coyote attacks would be considered bizarre. We have mountain lions in Lawrence, though, so anything is possible.

Back at the college house, Brian is telling Kate that having the FBI here investigating is actually reassuring which she declares is “annoyingly logical.” Brian wants to go out and shoot footage for his AD movie he’s supposed to make, so Michael goes with him telling Kate, “You know he doesn’t have anyone else to ask,” which was both sweet and a condescending. They’re out at what looks like a sports field of some kind – it was hard to get visual details a lot with the cameras bouncing all over the place – and they catch sight of the brothers questioning another kid.

The kid walks off and on camera we see the brothers having a tense conversation with Sam looking irritated and pissy and Dean looking irritated and tense.

Sam: There is not—

Dean: There is a case here; you’re rusty. We’ve just gotta dig deeper.

The brothers leave (Dean still tense, Sam still huffy) and Brian and Michael continue to find shots for Brian’s movie, coming up on fellow student, Scott, making out with a girl behind some bleachers. She’s just not that into him, however, and pushes him away. Michael or Brian run into a garbage can and alert Scott to their presence and he gives chase. There’s a lot of running and laughing and the boys separate and we follow Michael into the woods with night vision turned on.

Pretty soon we hear growling and Michael is attacked and pulled out of frame. A bit later, Brian comes looking for him, finds his camera, finds Michael who is bloody, breathing hard, and a bit in shock. His shoulder has been bitten. Brian hauls him back to the house (and a hospital makes no sense because…?) and Kate understandably freaks out until they see that the bite has healed. Not only healed – completely disappeared.

Anyone who has seen any horror movie would tell them that this is Not. Good.

Next morning, Michael’s asleep on the couch, Brian and Kate are leaning on the coffee table talking and Kate is worried about Michael. Brian is trying to comfort her, but she’s too focused on her bf. Said bf wakes up, goes to the bathroom and accidentally rips the door off the hinges. Instead of freaking out, there is much laughter and lifting of girlfriends over heads because hey, it’s fun when your friend suddenly has super-human strength after getting attacked and bit by some kind of animal.

This is the part where I’d be panicking. But it takes awhile to hit these guys. They go through the possibilities. Alien? Mutant? Superhero?

Brian starts to set cameras up all over the house – he’s found his movie: Michael’s “origin story.” Later, though, we see Michael eating a bagel in the kitchen and Brian begs him to take him to where he was in the woods so that he can get bitten, too. He says he’s tired of being “Piggy.” Michael – who slept through the lecture on Lord of the Flies – says he’s not a Pig and he has to figure out what he wants and go after it…he doesn’t want “this.”

Brian is practically simmering with jealousy and it’s sad to watch, really. He has (had) so much potential if only he could see past his desire to live someone else’s life. ANYWAY, everyone is chilling in the living room when there’s a knock at the door. Both Michael and Kate call ‘not it’ so Brian goes to the door and suddenly bounds back, all, “Dudes, dudes, dudes! It’s the FBI!”


Michael runs with the bong to the bedroom, Kate puts a camera in the window, and Brian talks to the brothers who ask the standard questions – seen anything weird, heard anything weird – in such a stiff manner it’s almost awkward. While they were now both apparently convinced it was a case, they were not in synch. At all. After Brian closes the door, Kate’s camera picks up the brother’s conversation about how it could be another Mayan god for all they knew.

When Michael hears this he pulls an Almost Famous saying, “I am a golden god!”

Oh, boy. *rolls eyes*

Sometime in the night, Michael gets up and goes to film his golden god self in the bathroom, but instead, he totally wolfs out. It’s a much cooler effect of widening eyes, teeth, claws than Madison’s was, I gotta say. He heads out to the bedroom and strokes Kate’s cheek, so he obviously has control over his actions. De-wolfed, he goes into the kitchen and pretty much devours everything in the fridge. Meaning he has to go out for more food.

Okay, so apparently everyone on campus has a camera – which, with the way things get on YouTube these days, I guess that isn’t that far-fetched. But that Scott guy and his posse have decided to “patrol” and protect the “honeys” on campus. *rolls eyes again* They encounter Michael on his way back from the store and as you can imagine, it does not go well. Michael runs off at first, but then Scott taunts him about Kate and RAWR. Whole new meaning to “claws come out.”

Back at the house, Brian is asking Kate if she is afraid of Michael and just as she’s saying it’s kind of hot, Michael shows up covered in blood – mostly from his mouth. He’s got Scotts camera, too, of course. He goes to shower and mumbles that he thinks he killed Scott. Brian has to find out for himself, so he goes to the wooded crime scene area – where Dean and Sam already are, questioning the “local yokel” cop. He finds out from their questions that Scott’s heart was missing and found mostly eaten up on a hill. Blarg.

So, Brian heads back, confronts Michael about eating a human heart – not so god-like now, huh? – and Michael accidentally shoves Brian all the way across the room. Whoops. This sends poor Michael off the deep end and he’s crying, Kate holding him.

Michael: I don’t know what’s happening to me. I don’t know who I am.

Kate: You’re Michael Wheeler. And you’re mine.


Things are unraveling fast for these three. Brian wants to call the police, Kate is defending Michael, saying Brian couldn’t understand because he’s never been in love. She says they need answers and they decide to spy on the “FBI Agents.” They’re hiding behind an ambulance, listening to Dean talk to a paramedic, then Sam joins him and they spy on the brother’s conversation.

Dean: Death by claws and lack of hearts. So we’re talking…?

Sam: No. Not that time of the month.

Which…Dean would know that. So at first I was bothered by this, but then later when Dean was vindicated for suspecting werewolf, I was happy with the way this went down. Just because it doesn’t fit the mold/lore doesn’t mean they should dismiss it.

Dean: Awesome. Time to hit the books.

So, once they discover that their AD Club Prez friend has some hacker skillz, the kids figure out how to spy on Sam and Dean by tapping into the security camera at the diner where the boys are eating. Michael sneaks in with a backpack hiding a camera and we watch the boys’ conversation as the food is served.

Sam: Dude. Two burgers?

Dean says something that I swear sounded like pig penis, but I could NOT figure it out. Even after rewinding that part three times. Basically he’s like, I haven’t had real food in a year so shut it. He tossed out a skewed “Friday Night Lights” riff with “clear eyes and clogged arteries” then gets down to business, reading from the book in front of him.

Dean: Werewolves that are turned four generations after pureblood are less feral and can turn before, during, and after the lunar cycle.

He smacks the book like, BAM! Told ya! Sam takes it and continues to read that purebloods don’t black out during transformation and can control themselves and some have been able to subsist off of animal hearts.

Seriously, I could have just given them my notes from Night of the Hunter. Saved them a lot of trouble. *laugh*

Sam: A werewolf with a pedigree.

Dean: Awesome. Let’s hope he has his papers.

Sam: Yeah, and that silver can kill him. So, what. Best in show comes here 10 years ago, then sets up shop?

Dean: Comes for the hearts, stays for the co-eds.

They’re basically like, find it, kill it. Which leads poor Michael to an understandable full on freak out when they review the footage.

Kate: Those guys aren’t FBI. Pretty sure FBI Agents don’t say “awesome” that much. And they don’t hunt and kill college kids.

Brian says that the rest of the tape is just how the brothers talked about how they’d been apart for a year and that’s when I protested a bit – I want to see that footage, man! What were they saying?!?

Michael thinks he’s screwed, but Kate – who is the most level-headed of the three, really – says to look at the big picture: they don’t know about Michael, they want the pureblood that turned him. They go into the bedroom to hash it out while Brian keeps looking at footage. He finds something, but Kate shuts the door on him. So, shut out of their freak-out-reassurance circle, he goes to investigate on his own, finding the pin that his Lit Prof wore on the ground where Michael got attacked.

So, sneaky Brian sneaks into the Prof’s office before the Prof gets there, places a camera up in the corner of the room that apparently sends data back to his laptop at home, and then when the Prof gets there, he confronts him, tells him he knows he’s a werewolf, and demands to be bitten. The Prof is all deny deny deny at first until Brian threatens him with a silver blade, and then CHOMP. The Prof says that he stayed clean for years, not hurting anyone, living off of animal hearts, but then he saw Jason Carter and “fell off the wagon.”

Knowing hunters are more cagey these days, he needed a patsy for his attack and picked Michael because he fell asleep in his class every day – who would miss him?

Brian: Me.


Brian: I’m sick of being Piggy. I want to be Ralph.

Prof: We don’t get to choose who we are.

Brian (showing healing bite on arm): I did.

He heads home and finds Kate crying (with Barricades by The Outdoors playing in the background) and then she stands up and starts packing. He says it’s all okay, they don’t have to leave, he took care of it. He shows them his footage and they are scared. Of him. As they watch, though, the Prof is pacing his office ready to wolf out and Dean and Sam burst in, fight, Dean gets thrown back, Sam gets pinned to the wall, Dean shoots the Prof – who, as he’s dying, utters a soft, heartfelt, thank you.

Sam notices that the camera and pulls it off the wall.

Brian’s all, problem solved. But Michael is like, they’ll track the camera back to you, moron.        

Brian tells Kate he did this to protect her – he did what Michael couldn’t. He finally figured out what he wanted and he went after it. He wasn’t hiding behind the camera, he was hiding behind Michael. He’s done living in Michael’s shadow. Now they’re equals.

Michael, though, is pissed. He can’t believe what Brian has done to himself – he didn’t bite him when he asked because he didn’t want to hurt him. He tells Brian he doesn’t want this. Michael can remember killing Scott, what eating a human heart felt like.

Brian tells Kate she needs someone who can take care of her – and of course she’s all “I can take care of myself” – and grabs her. Michael tells him to let go and Brian’s all, “Or what? You gonna cry some more?” Dude. Them’s fightin’ words.

Michael wolfs out, attacks, and the fight crashes all over the house with Michael dominating until suddenly Brian yells STOP and Michael rolls off of him – with a silver knife sticking out of his chest. Kate is sobbing, begging him not to die and Michael breathes out that he loves her, then dies. *sad* Kate flips her shit and attacks Brian but he holds her off, telling her he loves her and that she’ll understand, she just needs to see what he sees.

She tries to get away from him and he moves impossibly fast, cutting off her escape, then bites her. Next thing we see is Kate in the bathroom – filming herself in the mirror ala Michael, because this is The Thing To Do, apparently. She’s sobbing at first, but then as her bite heals, she puts down the camera and destroys the bathroom. That seems to calm her – I know a good temper tantrum always does the trick for me. She tells Brian she’s coming out of the bathroom – that he’s right: she understands now.

He opens the door, says, “I told you it would be all right.”

Kate: “Yeah. It will be.”

And then she Totally. Rips. Brian. Up.

Women are dangerous, man. Do not eff with us. Especially when we have super-human strength.

She cries over Michael’s body, puts their song – that Marvin Gaye one I need to know who covers – and then speaks directly into the camera, knowing the hunters will find them.

Kate: I didn’t finish Brian’s movie to justify what happened. To be honest, I don’t know if I understand. I just wanted you to know that Michael wasn’t always a monster. None of us were. I’m leaving and you’ll never hear from me. I know there’s another way. I can eat animal hearts. I’ll never hurt anyone. Nobody human, anyway. I didn’t choose this. Please give me a chance.

On that, we pull back on our boys watching, visible affected. Dean looks slightly shell-shocked and Sam is only able to really exhale slowly. They stand up and look at the bodies and figure the one under the sheet is Michael and the pieces-parts are Brian. This next exchange was probably my

Sam: Okay, so she’s got half a day jump on us?

Dean (staring into the middle distance, lips pushed out in thought): Mmmhmmm.

Sam: You all right?

Dean: Mmmhmmm.

Sam (sounding slightly hopeful): Look, Kate’s right. She hasn’t hurt anyone human.

Dean: She didn’t choose this. (pause, glances at Sam) Let’s give her a shot.

Sam: Seriously?

He’s already moving to grab up the laptop and hide the evidence.

Sam: If she strays…we do what we gotta do. We take her down.

He says it like he’s offering an olive branch – like he doesn’t want Dean to think he agreed too easily or that he’s afraid Dean will change his mind. But Dean is still staring into nothing and (to me anyway) it seemed so clear that he was thinking of what he’d been through in the past year – of Benny, of how he’s had to make choices, of how nothing's the same anymore. Dean may consider himself a hardened warrior, but there are things he’s survived lately that have shifted his hunter’s perception. I would have been surprised – and disappointed – if he’d decided to go after Kate.

Dean (sounding like he was going to say something else and decided to change the subject): Sam? Do I really say ‘awesome’ a lot?

Sam (hurriedly): No, not at all.

Dean pauses and looks at the kid’s wall of pictures and ads and clues for the movie. “Awesome.” Sam huffs a laugh and leaves. Dean puts the iPod back in the holder and the song plays on as we close on Kate walking down a railroad track into the sunset.

Next week – Halloween – looks fantastic and seems like it should be bringing us back ‘round to the emotional arc of the season. I’m ready!

Thanks so much for reading. I promise to get to all comments before the next episode. *flexes fingers*



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Oct. 26th, 2012 01:56 am (UTC)
From Bardicvoice, really ...
We saw many of the same things. I also loved the way the kids' stories paralleled Sam and Dean's: none of them meant to be monsters (well,apart from Brian, who asked for it), but Sam was polluted with demon blood when he was 6 months old, and Dean, after being sucked into the hunter life when he was only four, came to see himself as a monster after his experience in Hell. Everything came down to the choices they made, and continue to make.

And always will ...
Oct. 28th, 2012 09:38 pm (UTC)
Re: From Bardicvoice, really ...
Hey Mary -- thanks for coming by! :) Appreciate you taking time to read and share your thoughts.

And I think the theme of choices is dead on -- especially considering the plight of "too many choices" Dean and Benny are facing after such a "pure" experience in Purgatory.

It's intriguing. I can't wait to see what comes our way next!
Oct. 26th, 2012 02:23 am (UTC)
I really enjoyed this episode. I know alot of people didnt because of the lack of the boys. But I found the boys were well placed throughout this episode and I really did enjoy seeing the boys through someone elses eyes. I thought it was fun and telling.

I have to admit that I fell a little for Michael. I know Brian was supposed to be the one everyone was sympathetic for but what I saw was Michael being a good friend, standing by him, and still involving him in things even though he got the girl. I mean so many people ditch their friends when they get into a relationship. And through all that Brian was a jealous little shit. Okay .. that was probably harsh lol coz I can see his side of the coin too. But I think I connected more with Michael because. I loved that when Brian begged him to bite him he didnt. not because he didnt want to share the power, because i think he was freaked out and scared himself and he wouldnt want to put that on his friend. I dont know ... i just really liked Michael. I felt for Brian because its hard to get out of that mindset no matter who does what for you or what people say to you ... its hard. But I really liked Michael. I really liked Kate too. She was smart and calm and she cared about them both but she loved Michael ... Im glad they let her go.

I was thinking about you with the whole Werewolf thing :) I miss Noah LOL

I liked this. I loved what it did with the boys characters and I just generally enjoyed myself. A well told story indeed.

Oct. 28th, 2012 09:40 pm (UTC)
I felt sorry for Michael, too. When I said that Brian was the real tragedy I meant mainly because he caused the majority of the problems due to his jealousy -- either of Kate or of Michael, it seemed to vary.

And was it me, or did Kate remind you of S1 Meg? I miss that Meg.

Good stories always draw me in. ;)

Thanks for taking time to read and share your thoughts. I hope to see you after next week's because it looks like it's going to be a good one!!
Oct. 26th, 2012 02:32 am (UTC)
Appreciated your appreciation for the ep.
Oct. 26th, 2012 03:02 am (UTC)
Aw, hon. I just want to give you the biggest hug right now. Your comments get shorter and shorter with each episode.

I know you're not enjoying this season as much as me -- or as much as previous seasons, or as much as you'd hoped to -- but I hope that given time you're able to find what you're looking for.

Because watching Dean is fun. :) And our brothers WILL be brothers again. We just have to have faith.

*HUGS you tight anyway*

Thank you for coming by here and leaving a comment despite how you might be feeling. I REALLY appreciate that.
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Oct. 26th, 2012 02:42 am (UTC)
Dude, maybe they read "Night of the Hunter"! Why do the research when somebody's already gone, done it, and compressed it into a cool story?

I like your assessment of the episode - a lot of people seem to be saying they hated it, etc., but I agree that it was an interesting and novel alt-POV ep. (As long as they don't make a habit of it.) They acted a bit young, I thought, though; I kept wondering where their parents were. It just seems that if Brian was the head of the AV (I thought it was AV, as in audiovisual, but maybe not), then he'd have had more of an idea of what he wanted to do in a movie. Also, nobody studied. (But maybe I'm just foolish, thinking that college kids would study sometimes.) Kate reminded me of Sam, though, between her hair, her reasonableness, and her wanting to be a lawyer, and I'm sure that's no coincidence.

I think it was a good idea to try something new – after 7 seasons, I don't see why they shouldn't. It was neat seeing Sam and Dean from the kids' POV – as just more authority figures to worry about.

On the other hand: >Going through withdrawal from dearth of Dean and Sam.<

Slainte back at you!

Oct. 28th, 2012 09:43 pm (UTC)
HA! I'm sorry I did go a little NotH overboard in this one. *hides face* I get a little excited, stream of consciousnessly, when I see similarities in my stories. I'll try to curb it. *laugh*

Yeah, I wouldn't want them to make a habit of this, but I don't see them doing that. I think they're just trying to keep it fresh and find different ways to tell a story -- and I prefer this to that 4th wall breaking thing they do. There could have been more boys in it, but still, I was entertained.

Next week looks like it's going to bring us back to the emotional arc, so yay! :)

See you then?

Oct. 26th, 2012 03:22 am (UTC)
Hey there, I hope you enjoyed your evening out.

I'm glad you enjoyed the epi. I liked it more than I thought I would. I mostly watch sports and this show, nothing else from this genre. I wouldn't consider turning on a werewolf program. I'd grab a book instead. I watch this show for the boys relationship,and if I'm honest, some manly weapon wielding. And hot Dean. And pensive Dean. And belly laughing Dean... etc.

When I think about it, I liked the relationship of the three kids. This writing group is good at weaving people together. I have to say I liked Michael. He was generous in many ways to his friends. Not as impressed with Brian. He was too self absorbed for my taste. Slightly reminiscent of Sam, wanting something he isn't, not growing into what he is and all the potential at hand.

So, pensive Dean. I know I'm supposed to draw the parallel to how Dean has been lenient to Benny. I couldn't help but think of Dean with Amy's son. This reaction isn't new for Dean. Sam is just unaware of Dean's opinion and actions. It should be interesting to see Sam's reaction to Benny and will he be similarly magnanimous. We will find out soon enough.

Till next week, ciao for now!
Oct. 28th, 2012 09:51 pm (UTC)
We did enjoy the evening out. It had been 5 months since we'd been on a date due to health issues all summer and it as so great to just be regular people again. :)

See, I'm into all the supernatural-type stuff. I like vampire and werewolf movies in general -- well, to an extent. I refuse (REFUSE) to watch anything related to Twilight. But I love the Underworld movies. So, I'm good with werewolves. :)

I did enjoy the story -- ready for more Sam and Dean for sure, but I was entertained.

I couldn't help but think of Dean with Amy's son. This reaction isn't new for Dean. Sam is just unaware of Dean's opinion and actions. It should be interesting to see Sam's reaction to Benny and will he be similarly magnanimous

Yep. Sam will probably have issues because Dean killed Amy, but Amy killed humans. Kate hasn't (yet). It'll be interesting to see what Benny's story is and how Dean was able to draw that line.

Can't wait for next week! See you then! :)
Oct. 26th, 2012 04:05 am (UTC)
I generally liked the episode. I wasn't expecting much Sam and Dean, so I wasn't upset when I didn't get it. I know nothing about "Night of the Hunter". Could you summarize for me. I was really annoyed by the sudden change in werewolf lore. I loved Heart even though it tore me apart, but we went from "there is no way to control a werewolf when it changes so we have to kill Madison" to "bucket loads of werewolves can control themselves if they just know what's going on and are far enough removed from the alpha" and suddenly killing Madison just seems like they did crappy research and didn't try that hard even though Sam cared about her. I really wish they had picked another monster, because yes, it's nice to have to update information, but ruling out werewolves has led them to all sorts of other heart eaters that AREN'T werewolves and now the whole thing has gotten more complicated than I want to think about.
Oct. 28th, 2012 10:09 pm (UTC)
Hi there!

Saw your comments over on Mokibobolink's review as well -- liked what you had to say.

Sorry about that NotH parallels in this one -- sometimes when I'm writing stream of consciousness style I get carried away when a story I've written (especially if it's recently) is validated in an episode. I'll curb it from here on out. *is sorry*

Basically, NotH is set in S5, right after Sam walks away from Dean at the picnic table in Colorado and bridges the time they're apart, including when Dean goes with Cas to find Raphael. In there I propose that there are multiple races of vampires and werewolves -- so there are the vamps like Lenore, and then there are nosferatu - ancient vamps who are more like...30 Days of Night vamps.

Same with werewolves -- the traits that Dean read from that book are traits that I (through looking into various werewolf lore) said werewolves could possess -- especially the part about being conscious while wolfed out and able to control the 'hunger.'

In a fic, I think it's more tolerable than in the show itself when creatures go "off script." Because in NotH, Madison was brought up and addressed and it was easier to see motivations and reasons.

I can see, though, your point about how changing the lore without addressing what they'd had to do with/for Madison cheapens that experience a bit. And adds complexities that could have ramifications we can't begin to contemplate.

In any case, thanks for taking time to read and leave your thoughts. I really appreciate that. :)

Take care!
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Oct. 26th, 2012 04:58 am (UTC)
Ahh, lovie - again, you speak my thoughts so, so well FOR me. I recognised The Lord of the Flies references, though my mother for some odd reason, protested me reading that book and that book alone, so I never did. (Read the Chocolate Wars, The Outsiders, It's Like This Cat and a few others - some VERY adult - but never TLotF). I can understand why she did so - and I just spent an hour ranting at hubby about darkfic (my specialty, of course) and those sets of books usually given to middle schoolers and how I feel I was one of the few that (at the time) DIDN'T miss the point, so I understood why my mother didn't want me reading it. That book was sheer tragedy. This episode in so many ways was sheer tragedy.

You have definitely nailed out the triangle there so WELL. And in so many ways, that was what drove this story. That and their ignorance. Even when they were past their ignorance and facing reality, their sheer helplessness, how far out of their depth and control the situation was...well - that was so very, very HUMAN.

My gods, I'm rambling again. And likely in all the wrong places and on all the wrong points. So - I thoroughly acknowledge that as always, you have said it better and have pointed peoples this way, lol!! Because your meta/thinky posts are just...RAW and REAL and GRITTY. And this one is no different.

Sometimes the tragedy is pointless and horrific just because it involves people. To be forced to step outside of yourself, to see yourself standing there while it unfolds (ignorant of the inner events or no) is sometimes worse than being in the thick of it. This episode was VERY reflective in so many ways of the books I've written about above. The only difference is, the Boys only had to face it in the aftermath. They aren't privy to the lives that these horrors occur in. While that may give them insight into themselves, it should also remind them that even monsters can be (and often, once were) human beings. It should have shown Dean that not everything is Purgatory - and not everything in Purgatory started OUT the way they are there (references to Alphas and the poor souls they destroy while creating more of their children). It should also be a reminder to Sam that while he craves a civvie life - this is what REAL civvie life looks like when tragedy strikes. Sometimes the monsters are real - and the supernatural doesn't have to lift a finger. But when it does...this is what can happen.

Good reflection for the Boys. A fantastic tale all around. Let's see if THEY learn from it.

*slinks of grumbling about failing at meta and doing better through fic*

*Gives you a quick squish before going back under Rock*
Oct. 28th, 2012 11:42 pm (UTC)
I seemed to read all the required reading books in High School a year or two before they were taught in class. Which worked in my favor for some. LotF being one of them.

With these three you're so right -- their ignorance and Brian's jealous (of Michael and of Kate, it seemed sometimes) really completed their demise.

Rambling is encouraged over here. ;)

It should also be a reminder to Sam that while he craves a civvie life - this is what REAL civvie life looks like when tragedy strikes.

This is SUCH a good point. I don't begrudge Sam that desire, but I think he needs to consider how realistic his 'want' actually is.

*squishes you back*

See you after next week?
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Oct. 26th, 2012 05:32 am (UTC)
It always amazes me how we can all watch the same exact show and yet view it all so differently.

I am one of those people who did not like at all that the brothers were-once again-relegated to guest stars (or really cameos) in their own show. After months and months of waiting for this show to return just 4 episodes in we get this almost waste of an episode.

I felt no sympathy for the characters- except the Professor. After struggling so hard for so long to control his violent impulses he finally lost out and killed again. He was grateful when Dean and Sam killed him. And yet his character was a throw-away here.

You pointed out a very clear problem for me in this episode (and I had a basketfull of them): these three college students felt no fear or real concern about what was happening around them and-ultimately- to them. They played games with it and laughed about it. And even believed they could just go on living with it. For college students they sure were stupid.

Someone on another site made a good point: if the writer had interacted Dean and Sam into this episode- showing their investigation in full and mixing in the kids' video- the episode would have been a real part of the series and would have worked as a true horror story.

They chose not to do that and it failed completely for me.

And letting the werewolf go at the end? Sorry. Didn't work for me at all. I guess she is just going to pop into all the local "animal heart" eateries along her travels and fill up on that. Well, she hasn't killed any humans- yet. Just like Amy's kid. He's a monster without a guardian but let's let him run free. I am sure he will be fine.

I am concerned about where the Benny character ends up because monsters just do not survive on this show. They can't. I try to think of him like your character Noah (man, I Loved that guy!) but this show is not written as well as your stories so he will not end up like that.

I am interested in seeing more of him and more of his story with Dean and Cas so I hope the next episode will do that for us.

But for me, this one was a waste of an episode.

Thank You for your thoughts.
Best to you and yours always,
Oct. 28th, 2012 11:47 pm (UTC)
It always amazes me how we can all watch the same exact show and yet view it all so differently.

OMG, So. True. I knew while I was watching this episode that it would be rather polarizing, but I was a little surprised by how MUCH. And the interesting thing is, it's like the things some people hated were the very things others loved.

: if the writer had interacted Dean and Sam into this episode- showing their investigation in full and mixing in the kids' video- the episode would have been a real part of the series and would have worked as a true horror story

I think that's a really good point and you're right, it would have kicked this one up a few notches. I mean, I didn't mind this story -- I was entertained. But more Sam & Dean would have made it an excellent episode.

I think because of Noah I'm already invested in Benny even without having seen much of him or his story. I need to work on separating the two -- just because there are similar circumstances doesn't mean it's the same situation or outcome.

Oh, speaking of Noah, I have art for my Noah novel, Kill Creek Road: http://www.nanowrimo.org/en/participants/amandagaelic/novels/kill-creek-road-190682

ThruTerrysEyes made it. Thought you might like to see.

Okay, sorry, anyway, back to show. I'm excited to see the return to the emotional arc next week. Ready for what they bring us next! :)

Take care of you!
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Oct. 26th, 2012 06:16 am (UTC)
Well I knew going into this episode that it was never going to be up there for me. I don't like Blair witch, paranormal activity etc. Those types of films just don't do it for me, and they are never scary for me either.

That being said, it was okay, better than I thought. I agree with one of your other commentaters, I felt sad for the professor that he slipped but happy? that he finally got the peace he craved. And the kids, joking about having powers "I'm a golden God" attitude. Are kids of today really that nieve?

I enjoyed reading your thoughts, agreeded with your bullet points, but thats about all I have to say this week .... but of course roll on next week. Can't wait to have Benny revealed =)
Oct. 28th, 2012 11:49 pm (UTC)
I felt sad for the professor that he slipped but happy? that he finally got the peace he craved

Y'know that was one of the more compelling bad guys they've taken out -- if I could complain about one thing, it would be that they didn't focus on the fact that he said "thank you." I mean, I'm not going to complain about an episode when I ultimately found myself entertained -- even if I did wish for more boys in it.

And YES! Ready for next week! Bring on the emotional arc! :)
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Oct. 26th, 2012 06:32 am (UTC)
gaelic, I love your unending optimism and grace when reviewing each episode.

Me? I HATED this episode with a vengeance. I was bored out of my tree and didn't even make it to the end of the episode.

Like borgmama, I'm really struggling to find enthusiasm for this season so far. It held so much promise but in my opinion, has delivered so little. This time last season, I was eagerly anticipating the next episode. Now? I want to go sort out my sock drawer for the umpteenth time. Help!

Things probably weren't helped that I've just come off the most AWESOME of weekends spent in the company of Sebastian Roche, Aldis Hodge, Christopher Heyerdahl, Mark Pellegrino (I'm in love with that man!)and Jim Beaver (such a sweet and humble man)and I'm suffering Post Armageddon Expo Blues (but *waves* to Imapala1967 - it was great to finally meet you!) so I was hoping a healthy dose of Sam and Dean would help. Well, it would have if they had been in the episode for longer than a few seconds.

I'm trying to remain positive that next week's episode will be as good as it looks.

In the meantime, I'm going to go look at my photos and videos of the weekend and relive one of the best weekends of my life.

Oct. 28th, 2012 11:51 pm (UTC)
gaelic, I love your unending optimism and grace when reviewing each episode

Aw, thanks. I know some may think that I'm too "Pollyannaish" when it comes to writing my reviews, but I just love this show and therefore find something to love each time. While I think this episode could have been better if they'd done this or this or this, I was still entertained, so that's enough for me. Plus? For me it was cool to think about watching it along with the boys.

And man, you're coming down off of Con High -- nothing is going to quite match up for awhile. :)

Next week looks good -- I'm ready to get back to the emotional arc of the story.

Enjoy your pics and vids! I'm so, so glad you had a great time. :)
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Oct. 26th, 2012 09:22 am (UTC)
Let me start by saying I agree with all you've written above. It's like you took the thoughts out of my head & organized them & rephrased them in pretty words :) So thank you.

I came across some not so happy opinions as well, so had some apprehension prior to watching. But surprise surprise, I liked the ep a lot! I found the story engaging & the editing superb - I don't generally like "Blair Witch" & such films, but here the students made me care about them and worry for their fate. I liked your Shakespeare reference - big fan of his storytelling & sonates :) The three 19-20 year old's were shown as naive, young, dreaming of a bright future, all to contrast their upcoming tragedy. They weren't monsters, just victims at first, & it was such a nuance to Sam & Dean's stories, to Madison, to so many characters we've seen over the years who've had their hopes shattered by reality's cruelty, who had to make choices & cross lines they've never imagined doing. So for me it was a very rewarding watch - though of course I won't tolerate the lack of our boys on a weekly basis ;) But it was a though-provoking, refreshing view.

- Brian was the plot driver, & I felt sorry for him (having been the shadow to some friends many times in my life) - but the catalyst for the explosion (besides the obvious werewolf bite) was Kate, & I found her the most interesting of the three. She was the most reasonable, the one who kept true to her love, & who wasn't tempted by the power, always driven by
loyalty & care for her boyfriend. Loved the ending with her walking lonely down the road, made me wonder if the boys will ever cross paths with her again.

- Sam & Dean were there too, & the few glimpses we've caught of them were meaningful. The "workplace romance" was in the air because they keep on struggling with opposing wants, Sam is still not seeing a case where there's one & Dean pushing him to stay on the hunt. OMG do I want to know what they kept on talking about in the diner! & the end - the boys letting Kate go, obviously moved by the movie (lol) was such a sign of things to come with Benny, Sam not understanding the change in Dean, but WE know Dean's letting a monster walk free.. question is will Dean spare Benny if/when he hurts people..? Anyway, next episode will be full of emotions, I'm sure of that.

p.s. How cute was the students' comment, comparing our brothers to Starsky & Hutch / Rizzoli & Isles? In a lot of buddy tv shows each pair is divided to "heart" & "soul", one more passionate contrasting the other's brainy approach. Well here Dean is indeed the Starsky & Rizzoli ("heart") of the two ;
Oct. 28th, 2012 11:56 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I've seen quite a few non-positive opinions of this episode, but it's okay. There's room enough in the SPN-verse for multiple schools of thought. :)

I actually felt more sorry for Michael than Brian - I mean, at first it was Brian when it was clear that he was the shadowed friend, but after Michael got bit, I really felt for him and the fact that he never wanted this. Brian asked for it.

I am really curious about how Dean will be with Benny in the real world (as in not Purgatory) and how things are going to go when Sam meets Benny.

Dean is Starsky & Rizzoli -- I love it. :)
Oct. 26th, 2012 11:35 am (UTC)
Not gonna say much this time, guess I said too much last ep :-D

So just this:


I loved the acting, the OPV (a good opv-story is always a sweet deal, and a good opv-episode is the same), the plot, the casting (Man, did the girl look like Meg, or what? Damn, I loved Meg#1) the mystery, the...everything.

And what I loved best about this is that even though the boys aren't in the foreground of this, they're there, they're important - and yet it's NOT ABOUT THEM.

I understand that people want to see the boys - hell, I do!
But I also like to see things through different eyes, and I've always had a special place in my heart for all the times we see that in this show.
Like Molly, in s2 "Roadkill", or even the "Ghostchasers"-episode. I like that, and I think it makes this show better that they not only make people sympathise with the "monsters" but also makes them think outside the Winchester-box.

So yes, this episode was awesome, and I cried like a baby.

It'll be an interesting fallout, though, when Sam realizes that Dean's attitude changed so drastically, after that fight they had over Amy...

Oh, and one more thing:
So cute!

Edited at 2012-10-26 11:36 am (UTC)
Oct. 29th, 2012 12:08 am (UTC)
First of all, you can never say too much. So there.

Second of all, that picture is fantastic. I love their teeth. :)

And what I loved best about this is that even though the boys aren't in the foreground of this, they're there, they're important - and yet it's NOT ABOUT THEM.

Totally agree.

The thing I got in retrospect -- that could be another thing the boys took away from watching this video "with" us -- is how their very presence altered the course of these three kids' lives. After Michael got bit, if Sam and Dean hadn't been there for them to spy on and learn from, who knows what might have happened to them. They affect lives they don't even know they're near.

The thing, too, about Amy is that she HAD killed humans. A few of them. She said she was on the wagon after she saved her son, but she would do what she needed to again, without hesitation. She had killed before and Dean knew she'd kill again. Her son hadn't and he let him go. Kate hadn't and they gave her a chance. The thing I think is going to be really interesting is if we find out about Benny's past. Has he killed before? Did Purgatory change him?

Next week should be innnnnnteresting. :)

Thanks for reading and leaving me your thoughts. I really appreciate that. :)
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Oct. 26th, 2012 11:43 am (UTC)
It was well acted but honestly this is the first time ever that I could have switched it off before the end... it just wasn't SPN for me. I'm not surprised because I didn't like Ghostfacers either.
Oct. 29th, 2012 12:09 am (UTC)
I've seen others who share your views, so you certainly weren't alone. I was entertained, but I'm VERY much looking forward to next week's return to the emotional arc. :)

Thanks fore taking time to read and comment. :)
Oct. 26th, 2012 01:09 pm (UTC)
I loved the video idea, and I think they did it well except for one crucial thing. It needed to have more to do with the boys. There needed to be SOMETHING furthering their storyline, and just showing Dean to be uncharacteristically sympathetic to the new werewolf isn't enough.

Dean killed Sam's old girlfriend last season, remember. He had no mercy for her living as a monster, and Sam really should have brought that up. There was a LOT they could have thrown in there to make it about the boys, and they missed it.
Oct. 26th, 2012 01:22 pm (UTC)
Dean killed Sam's old girlfriend last season, remember

Yeah, I remember. And you're right -- it would have made an impact if there'd been time left in the episode for Sam to bring it up. Because WE know he let her son go and WE know about Benny, but Sam doesn't know either of those things. I think, right? He didn't know about the kid?

Sam just seemed like he didn't want to press his luck. He'd brought up the fact that she had a head start on them as if he figured that's what Dean would've wanted to hear, and when Dean didn't jump on it, he was all-too eager to take that out. He rushed out of there quickly, sounding afraid Dean would change his mind.

So, perhaps he didn't bring up this change of heart because he didn't want to risk changing Dean's mind. Or, perhaps he might actually be allowing for the past year to have affected Dean so greatly he would be thinking differently.

In any case, it would have been nice for Sam to have at least acknowledged that this was unlike Dean, I agree.

Anyway, very good point illustrating one way they could have brought it home to be more about the boys rather than reiterating what we already knew -- Sam's reluctant, Dean's restless.

I suppose that some might argue I'm too easy on our show or I don't expect enough out of it. I do tend to Pollyanna things a bit simply because I enjoy watching it -- Dean...--so much. So yeah, maybe I could have been a bit more critical of how they sidelined the boys in this episode, but honestly, I really didn't mind it so much.

Yes, totally agree it could have been better and I could have been blown away and had the kids interacted directly with the boys -- like Ghostfacers did -- it might have been much more compelling. But then we'd probably have gotten a lot of people saying that they already did this with Ghostfacers.


Not the best episode ever by far, but for me, certainly not the worst. I am able to find something in every episode to enjoy.

Some have said that they feel they're made out as a "bad fan" because they didn't like this episode. It could go both ways, really. But I feel fortunate that even when an opposite opinion is shared over here, I never really feel like the one I stated is wrong.
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Oct. 26th, 2012 05:13 pm (UTC)
Way different episode than I was expecting. So used to SPN's way of filming and storytelling....not bad just different. Like the time I tried rose flavored ice cream. Just different and weird. I was hooked and suprised by the first commercial break. It was very winchester lite, but kinda gave us a break from their angst. And I got caught up with the guest star trio instead. The bros reactions to the vid kinda threw me. Especially dean letting the whole kill the monster thing go after the whole madison thing, and purgatory-no-gray-area-eat-or-be-eaten thing, and when dean killed sam's friend....gosh, forgot her name...the gal from stargate atlantis and firefly, I think?? Jewel something or another. Anyway, the boys just yo yo back and forth on the whole hunting thing after eight seasons.
Oct. 29th, 2012 12:15 am (UTC)
Yes, it was definitely different -- and I was okay with that. Once. Hopefully any other "fresh" ideas will be fresh in a different way and give us more Sam and Dean -- if nothing else than just to keep the majority of people in fandom satisfied. :)

Especially dean letting the whole kill the monster thing go

See, this didn't surprise me at all. I would have been let down if he had wanted to go after her. He killed Amy (that's who you were thinking of) because she'd killed humans. Didn't matter that it was to save her son -- she'd still killed humans. But he didn't kill her son, let Lenore go, and now let Kate go because they hadn't killed humans yet.

In contrast, Sam killed Emma, Dean's monster-daughter, because she was a threat to humans (specifically his brother). She hadn't killed anyone yet -- and that's why Dean hesitated in killing her. Sam's always seen as the soft-hearted one, but it really looks like Dean has more sympathy toward "monsters."

I may have to chew on that thought a bit longer.... :)

Thanks for reading and taking a moment to comment! :)
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