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Stream of Consciousness, Epi 9.14

Rambling from the road. This one will be shorter than usual, but no less heartfelt.

Apologies for the lateness of this review. Work travel doesn't always allow me to stick to my preferred watching/rambling schedule, unfortunately. And just a note up-front: I can pretty much guarantee I won't be able to reply to comments before the next epi airs. But please don't let that stop you from sharing your thoughts; I always appreciate your time and comments, be they in agreement or not with my own.

The title of this one, Captives, was an obvious nod to the situation poor Mama Tran had found herself in. But I think it was more than that. When the episode opened on Dean lying on his bed, Billy Squier in his ears, I couldn't get over how lonely he looked. It struck me that in that moment he had no one to protect him, no one to defend him. He would never stop protecting Sam; it's part of who Dean is. But without Sam as his brother, Dean was as alone as I'd ever seen him. But then, at the end of the episode, when Sam walked away from Dean and marched into his bedroom, closing the door on any conversation or connection, my heart panged.

They are both so alone. Alone together in a massive, protected bunker. They are captives of their own faults and pride. Yes, pride, because there are so many things that need to be talked about, need to be clarified, need to be understood. And it seems that the only thing keeping them from discussing it...is pride. Sam started to open the door by declaring there was something broken between them, but then he stopped, his only words those of pain (both feeling it and causing it) and it's clear Dean doesn't know what he means and Sam's not talking.

And until he does, and until they are able to figure out a path through all of this pain they've been carrying around, they're going to be held captive - limited only to the short distance their chains of hurt and betrayal and disappointment allow them to move. Working as fellow hunters rather than the brothers they are keeps them from being free to live as they are meant to. They're suffocating.

It's hard to watch, to be honest. A commenter on last week's episode said she needed them to be okay because it was like an oasis in the midst of her own family drama. I couldn't agree more. This show is my escape, my refuge when the never ending drama of my real life starts to smother me. I actually enjoy being tense as I watch the show, but I want to be tense from an omg this is scary-slash-intense position, and not from a what heart-crushing words are going to be spoken from one brother to another this week position.

I'm all for a captivating storyline; intrigue caused by conflict can be a really compelling writing tool. But now, my intrigue has almost crested and is slipping into just fix this already territory. I really hope that Kevin's plea to the brothers simmers on the back burner and that, coupled with whatever outside catalyst is necessary, pushes them to reconcile, soon -- and for good this time. It is possible to be siblings who don't always agree but maintain a mutual respect and understanding without slipping into the lying-and-keeping-secrets territory (which they both have visited a time or two) that only engenders hurt and betrayal and disappointment.

I can hang on to this through the end of Season 9, but if we go into Season 10 with the brothers together yet at odds...well, in the immortal words of Prince Humperdink, I shall be very put out.

As far as Kevin and Mama Tran, I thought this was a sad, sweet semi-closing to their story (I mean, rarely is anything all the way over in SPN). I suspected since Crowley's tease earlier in the season that Mama Tran wasn't really dead; her circumstances, though, I didn't see coming. And Kevin, man, Dean was right in his broken-hearted apology. That kid gave everything and got nothing in return...not even Heaven. I can only hope they're able to fix the "Heaven's closed" situation soon to give him the peace that he deserves and prevent him from turning into an angry, bitter spirit. I mean, it even happened to Bobby. *sad face*

It does trigger a number of questions, though. Like...are ghost sightings on the rise? Are other hunters seeing results of Heaven being closed? Perhaps that is one of the storylines that will fold into this SPN spin-off, Tribes. I'm not sure; I haven't kept up with any of the news on that, aside from the fact that it exists. But it is intriguing. Think of the souls the boys are responsible for since the angels fell, let alone the number of vessels the angels created, kicking the souls to the curb. The world should be smog-thick with spirits.

I know I should be, but I can't quite get myself jazzed up for the angel-wars part of this season. Maybe now that Cas is taking more of lead role it will shift for me, but all this sub-factions thing with Bartholomew and Malachi and Metatron....*head spins* I can't tell who -- aside from Cas -- we're supposed to care about. So, I'm glad that if nothing else, we now have some skin in the game, if you will, by having Cas in a position to actually find Metatron.

As I see it, we have the following storylines going right now:

1) Abbadon vs Crowley (or, HellGate: Race for Demon Leadership)
2) Mark of Cain
3) Angels vs Angels vs Metatron (or, Heaven's Closed for Business)
4) Brother vs Brother
5) Finding/ending Gadreel (which may or may not be part of #3)

I am intrigued to see what will be resolved this season (pleaseohplease #4), what will morph this season, and what will totally take me off guard this season. I mean, they've done it a couple of times already in the first 14 episodes. The back 9 has a lot of potential to do the same.

How about some lists?


  • Having "Lonely Is the Night" as Dean's brooding music.

  • Dean's scruff. It speaks to his exhaustion, his loneliness, his complete inability to even care about something so inconsequential as shaving at this point.

  • Bad-ass Cas when he took out Bartholomew.

  • The way Dean bellowed Sam's name when he saw the ghost and the fact that Sam was out of his room and down the hall barely a heartbeat later.

  • Dean's delivery of, "Yep. Bunker's haunted."

  • Mama Tran taking over the hot-wiring of the storage room door and Sam simply side-stepping and allowing her to do it.

  • Dean being the one knocked around and tied up, and Sam breaking in at the last minute to stop him from being killed. Nice change of pace.

  • "Before I go, promise me something. Can you two...get over it? Just because you couldn't see me doesn't mean I couldn't see you. The drama, the fighting? It's stupid."


  • Sam being the one to find Mama Tran, and the journey his expressions took every time she said, "you're going to bring me to my son." *rubs heart*

  • Mama Tran knowing exactly which of Kevin's possessions his spirit would be tied to -- and the fact that it was his father's ring.

  • The boys communing with a coffee maker to speak to Kevin.

  • Dean's broken-hearted apology to Kevin for not having protected him. His whole body just screamed pain with those words, especially his eyes. Even though Kevin's frustration at not being able to break through manifested itself in snide words about Dean having a pity-party, Dean's remorse was genuine, his regret honest, and his self-loathing painful to see.

  • Dean's grin and Sam's subsequent tolerant eye-roll when Dean accurately described the storage unit clerk's appearance.

  • Agents Nicks and McVee. Heh.

MEH (I actually have some this week):

  • Okay, CW, stop using your magic, fix-all cream, will ya? Dean got a nasty cut on his forehead from getting jumped by Demon-Clerk, and had a decent-sized slice on his neck from the dude's knife...and then in the space of time it took them to drive from Wichita back to the bunker it all heals up? With not even a itsy-bitsy little scar? Kansas ain't that big. Give us some realism with the wounds, how 'bout?

  • Mama Tran was held captive and tortured by Crowley and his hench-clerk for a year, and yet she still had her cute haircut, had a healthy weight, and was only a little grimy? I could have done with a bit more, I don't know, feral-ness, perhaps with her appearance after that long in those circumstances.


  • The spirit-population explosion question from my overview above is probably my main one.

  • When did Angels start using nicknames? I mean, Castiel has always used his 'brothers' full names until this episode when he called Bartholomew "Bart." I could attribute that to his having hung around Dean too long except that Bart called Castiel "Cas," too. That just caught my attention and I wondered if it was really the first time they'd done that, or if I just hadn't noticed before.

  • What would possess Crowley to hide those two captives in Wichita? I mean...what is the deal with Kansas as a magnet for demonic activity?

  • What was the song Dean was listening to at the very end when he put the headphones back on? Pretty sure it wasn't Billy Squier again, but I couldn't hear it over the noise around me.

Okay, I'm going to do a bit of summarizing in this recap, but I'm assuming by now ya'll have seen the epi or read your fill elsewhere. This is just to keep to pattern and work through some additional thoughts.

THEN is angels butchering angels, a reminder of who Bartholomew is, the mini-story of Kevin and Mama Tran, and Sam breaking Dean's heart by replying to Dean's, "If the situation were reversed, and I was dying, you'd do the same thing," with, "No, Dean. I wouldn't." *rubs heart*

NOW we get shots of an empty bunker (and seriously, that is one wicked-cool set). Empty kitchen with a drippy faucet and a flickering light, moving into an empty map-room with ghostie-breathing. Then we see Dean, lying stretched out on his bed, headphones on, staring at the ceiling, Lonely is the Night blaring in his ears. He looks like he's willing himself to mentally escape -- just hide inside the music and not think about what Sam said, or where they are in their non-relationship, or what this means for their future, or how he's supposed to keep moving forward with this weight on his heart.

Just then, the lights in his room flicker and EMF static comes across his headphones. His eyes widen and we cut to Sam in his room chilling out, and we hear Dean bellow, "SAM!" in a scared, get your ass over here right the hell now tone. Sam responds instantly, heading out of his room and calling for Dean, getting no response. He gets to Dean's room, but his brother's bed is empty. He starts to move through the bunker, grabbing a sword along the way, eyes flickering to all corners, trying to find whatever it was that caused Dean to sound like that, seeing the lights flickering, all that jazz.

A ghostie figure comes at him from behind and before it can touch Sam, Dean blasts it with rock salt from a sawed-off shotgun. Sam darts a look over his shoulder where Dean's standing on the balcony and Dean's like, "Yep. Bunker's haunted."

Later, in the kitchen, Sam's packing rock salt shells and Dean comes in, turning on a (fancy-schmancy) coffee maker. They discuss how the bunker is warded and sigiled (I don't know if that's a real word, but I'm using it) to the hilt, so no way anyone got in from the outside. It's someone who died there, but anyone from the MoL would have been too long ago...and wouldn't have waited this long. So it's a recent death. Meaning...Kevin. Dean does not want to believe this, but each time he denies the possibility that Kevin is haunting the bunker, the coffee maker "bings".

Sam: How can you be sure?

Dean: I burned his body myself. It's not him.

Sam: We cremated  Bobby, too, and he came back.

Dean: It's not Kevin.

Coffee Maker: BING! BING! BING!

Sam (puzzled, toward coffee maker): Kevin?

A coffee cup shatters, making the brothers jerk back in reaction and making me jump so much people stared. *ahem*

Okay, I'm going to summarize the angel stuff all at once, though it happened peppered throughout the episode with the brother's mission. This in no way diminishes how impressive Castiel was in this episode, by the way. He may single-handedly get me invested in the angel war storyline. Basically, there have been additional sub-factions of angels, many of them peace-seeking. One of them was Rebecca's faction: The Penitents. They lived humbly among humans until Bartholomew and his minions killed them off. Only one remained once they got to Rebecca herself.

Cas, who is trying to find Metatron, ends up at Rebecca's vessel's funeral and Bart's minions find him, hauling him back to Bart -- who greets him with a hug (?!?!) and they reminisce a bit about fun times in the garrison until Cas finally calls Bart out for killing the angels he'd left under Bart's charge in angel jail. Bart says he was following orders (makes me wonder who gave those orders...Raphael? God?) because, hello, that's what angels do.

Bart tries to woo Cas to their side by showing him all the shiny toys he has to track and find Metatron, thanks to all the vessels he was able to snatch using Buddy Boyle's ministries as his net. Bart says that Cas is free to go whenever he wants, but it soon becomes clear that it's basically an obey-or-die situation. Bart brings in Rebecca's last follower and tells Cas he's going to torture him for information and then kill him. Cas, knowing that he's in an impossible situation (and knowing that he's done the torture-for-info thing himself) doesn't stop him from torturing the dude, but refuses to kill him. He's not that guy anymore.

Bart kills the angel and then turns on Cas...who is able to deflect the attack pretty damn smoothly. Cas starts to walk away, but Bart tries to stab him in the back. Literally. Cas channels his inner ninja and avoids the angel sword, killing Bart in the process. He then demands that Bart's minions let him go. He heads back to Rebecca's vessel's grave, apologizing to Rebecca for not being able to stop her from getting killed.

Several of Bart's followers show up, and say the want to follow Cas instead -- they weren't bad angels, they just didn't know there was another way after the fall. Cas' refusal to bend to Bart's demands showed them there was another way. So, now we have Cas and several followers out there looking for Metatron -- not sure if that means Cas now has access to Bart's toys or not, though. It would be great if he did. Because if Malachi finds Metatron first, things will just get uglier.

Anyway, back to the brothers.

Sam is communing with the coffee maker, but getting nothing. Dean comes in to take a shift. Kevin's new at this, so it will take him longer to break through. Dean takes a turn and Sam leaves the room. Dean calls to Kevin, but can't bring himself to talk to the coffee maker. So, he talks to the room, his shoulders bowed, his eyes sad.

Dean: I'm sorry. You did not choose this life. You busted your ass. You lost everything. Everyone you loved. And your reward? Getting killed. On my watch. If I...it was on me. It was my fault and there's nothing I can do to make that right and I am so sorry.

He covers his face, rubbing his eyes, trying to find some way to make his apology heard. As he's holding his head in one hand, the lights flicker and Sam comes in, having noticed the change. Just then, we see Kevin flickering in, muttering to himself that he didn't spent months trying to break through the veil only to get stuck listening to Dean Winchester have a self-pity session...he got enough of that while he was alive.

Ouch. I mean, I can get Kevin being frustrated with all of this and with the boys not being able to hear him and well, y'know, being dead and all, but I hate that the writers always have people in Dean's life mock and belittle him or his words when he's expressing real emotion. "Boo-hoo, Princess," "self-pity session," "you didn't save me for me".... It would be nice for him to get credit for apologizing and someone -- probably not Kevin, granted -- let him off the hook for things that happened beyond his control.

It seems Sam's given that pass quite frequently by others -- "I know it wasn't you," "you didn't have control," "you didn't mean it," "it wasn't your fault." I mean, Sam may not forgive himself, but others tell him it's okay to do so. That rarely, if ever, happens with Dean.

ANYWAY! Kevin's first big reveal is that Heaven is closed. Not cool. And things in the veil? Not great. Not great at all. His second big reveal is that his mom is alive -- a ghost named Candy told him -- and he wants the boys to find her. It's the least they can do, so they head to Wichita to try to help Candy break through the veil, since she only died a couple of weeks ago. They camp out under a railroad trestle with a radio and the coffee maker to help Candy communicate.

As the boys sit and wait, Dean drinks a beer and calls Crowley.

Sam: I think I felt a chill.

Dean: Yeah. That's 'cause it's cold.


Dean leaves a voicemail for Crowley to call him back.

Sam: Really, Dean? That's your 3rd unanswered voicemail. Ever think he's just not that into you?

Dean: He's our last confirmed link to Mrs. Tran. Yes, he is a flaming douche, but at least we know he's real which is more than we can say for this Candy-no-Show.

He goes to take another drink of his beer and seems surprised to find that it's empty. Just then the radio fuzzes and we hear a girl's voice calling "Hello?" The boys get Candy's story through the radio -- she'd been held in a small, cement room with a corrugated door. Two men would come in with food -- one of them clearly Crowley -- but then he stopped coming (because he got himself captured by the Winchesters) and the one left over was cruel and scarier than the other. Candy knew Linda was alive when she escaped, but Candy got killed before she could get further than the trestle.

Boys start searching for storage places in the area; Sam discovers that Candy was actually the "beloved" of a powerful politician. And Mama Tran is the mother of a powerful prophet. Curiouser and curiouser. Dean's talking this all out loud, trying to figure out what Crowley was doing with them. Sam is basically like, "duh, kill them," and Dean shakes his head, his expression thoughtful.

Dean: Maybe the other guy. But Crowley wanted the vics alive.

Sam: So, you want to give him a medal? He put them in there.

Dean (frustrated): I'm just talking it out. Working the case. Business like.

Aside: to me, it seems like whenever Dean shows any inclination of working with someone other than Sam -- especially when that 'someone' is monster material -- Sam gets incredibly pissy and doesn't think through the logic and the why's. Plus also, he seems to forget all about his dalliances with Ruby. I'm just thinking that figuring out why Crowley held those two could be pretty useful information in getting ahead of whatever Crowley had planned.

They walk into a storage unit place -- their second one, apparently, based on the fact that Dean guessed this clerk would look just like the last one -- and discover that a D. Webster rented out three units off in "Corridor Q" away from the other units.

Sam: D. Webster? As in Daniel Webster?

Dean: I know a lame Crowley joke when I see one.

The clerk, though, says that Webster also rented out another unit on the other side of the facility. Dean sends Sam to Corridor Q and follows the clerk to the other unit. Dean finds random tools, stuffed animals...and gets an iron bar (or bat or something) in the face, knocking him out completely. Sam? Finds Mrs.Tran. And unfortunately gets himself locked in.

The clerk is actually Crowley's minion, and when Dean comes to, hands tied behind his back, forehead bleeding, and a wicked headache by the look of his scrunched face, Demon!Clerk has a whole lot to say about how he's had to languish in this job not killing people. He does kill his look-alike fellow clerk to make a blood phone to call Crowley, but then Dean says the he and Crowley are pals and hung out just last month.

Which of course totally pisses off Demon!Clerk. He's ready to kill kill kill!

Meanwhile, Sam unties Mama Tran, who immediately asks about Kevin. As any good Mama would.

MT: You didn't bring Kevin along on this mission, right? You left him someplace safe?

Sam (gulping, looking pale): Of course.

MT: Good. Let's get this door open. Get the hell out and you'll bring me to my son.

Sam: Mrs. Tran....

He can't say the words and her face shows that she knows what he can't say, she knows that her son is dead and Sam looks gutted at her expression, at the fact that she knows, but all she does is repeat that he'll take her to her son. It's clearly been the mantra that has kept her alive all this time. She bellows, "FLASHLIGHT!" at Sam and starts to bypass the wires and hotwire the door.

In the other unit, Demon!Clerk is basically straddling Dean, and runs the knife along his jawline, cutting his neck just below his jaw line about three inches long as he rambles about it being finally his turn to kill something. Dean tenses as the demon raises his knife, and just then the door of the unit opens and Sam comes in all RAWR! and knocks the demon half-way to Sunday. Whew.

They tie the demon up and give Mama Tran the kill, standing aside and watching with satisfied expressions -- Dean's neck covered in blood -- as she gets her revenge.

Sam: We're saving you for someone else.

Demon!Clerk: Crowley?

Sam: Much worse.

Mama Tran: die demon die!

The boys get back to the bunker and call out to Kevin -- Dean all healed up, like I said, which...whatever -- and tell him that they got her, she's alive and they wanted to give him a moment to...process.

Kevin: Does she know?

Mama Tran: Kevin?

The boys leave and my heart just *ker-blam*. I can't even.... The look of relief and regret on Kevin's face mixed with Mama Tran's happiness at seeing him again and her utter, complete devastation at his being a ghost. Speaking as a Mama myself, I can't imagine a worse pain than the loss of a child, and to see that lost child and not be able to touch them, hold them, hope for their future.... *clutches heart*

Dean shows Mama Tran all of Kevin's stuff still in the bunker and she finds his father's ring, knowing that if his spirit is tied to anything, it's that ring.

Dean: There's a lot we don't know about this Heaven stuff. There are risks to taking Kevin home with you. The longer a spirit is in the veil...it doesn't end up well.

Mama Tran: He's my son. It's my job to keep him safe for as long as I can.

Kevin tells the boys that she was held in a room and tortured for a year because of him. Now that he's found her, he's not letting her out of his sight. She's his responsibility.

Sam: You were ours. We failed you. I--

Kevin: Sam, I know that wasn't you. Go put a blade in that asshat who possessed you and we'll call it square.

Dean doesn't try to apologize again -- either he can't because of the audience, or he think it won't matter because he heard Kevin's disgruntled rant as he was phasing into view. But his face just...so many thoughts were captured in his eyes it was hard to pin down one emotion he was going through as he watched Kevin.

Kevin: Guys, thank you.

Dean: You can thank us when we get you to Heaven where you belong. Until then, enjoy the time with your mom. The uninterrupted, 24/7, no escape quality time.

Kevin (grins): Dick. (looks serious) Before i go, promise me something?

Sam: Of course, anything.

Kevin: Can you two...get over it? Dudes, just because you couldn't see me, doesn't mean I couldn't see you. The drama, the fighting? It's stupid.

Dean's. Face. Just...it was barely controlled emotion. Like if someone scratched the surface of his skin, the pain that would come flooding out would drown the world.

Kevin: My mom's taking home a ghost. You two. You're both still here.

Sam (agreeing so fast and with such a tremor in his voice it couldn't be anything but a lie): Of course. Promise.

Dean: Yeah.

Kevin: Good.

Kevin and Mama Tran leave and Dean kinda follows them, eyes on them the whole time, as if afraid to look away. He turns back to Sam to say something, but Sam's already walking away, quickly so as to avoid any possible connection with Dean in this moment.

Dean (softly, sadly): Yeah, okay.

Sam goes to his room, Dean to his room. Dean puts his headphones back on and assumes the position, eyes on the ceiling, expression one of desperate escape. And they brood. Alone, together, held captive by stubbornness, pain, and history.

I didn't see previews, but I'm ready to see something shift out of this gear next episode. Bring it on, Show!

Thanks for reading, as always.



( 39 Tall Tales — Tell Me A Story )
Mar. 1st, 2014 12:42 am (UTC)
The title of this episode said it all. Though when it comes to Sam, he is truly the only one that is free (or at least, semi-free if you tilt your head and squint). He is truly the only one keeping them BOTH in chains, his unwillingness to speak, but his insistence at keeping them both to the job...


Poor Kevin, captive to the bunker and trying to speak over the lack of Winchester communication.

And Castiel, bound by his own morals and realizations.

This whole episode was awesome, if melancholy, my only problem? Sam. But then, I can't think of anyone who is happy with him right now, including himself!

Mar. 1st, 2014 08:17 am (UTC)
I don't know...Sam doesn't seem very free to me...and it's a captivity of his own doing. I mean, he voluntarily returned to hunting with Dean. He got into the Impala because, I think, he didn't know where else to go. He's as trapped with Dean as Dean is with him, but Sam is the one making their partnership miserable because he won't talk about all this crap that he brought up. He just cut his brother open and walked away, leaving Dean to try to keep himself from bleeding out. And that doesn't mean I think Sam didn't have a reason to have the knife in his hand, but he's gotta go all the way if he ever wants to truly be free. Go all the way...or leave. Simple as that.

Yeah, it was a pretty darn good epi. :)

I'm happy to see you, by the way. Feel like it's been awhile since we've been able to LJ-chat. :)
Mar. 1st, 2014 03:31 pm (UTC)
Hmmm...good point. And one I can completely see: everyone that is alive right now is trapped because of his unwillingness to either move forward or let go. He drove Cas away via Dean and Cas has stayed away because of the problems he could cause. Dean can't let him go, can't be his brother or even his friend without Sam's leave. And Sam just refuses to make up his mind, speak, leave or even (really) stay and be happy. Very simple. And so heartbreakingly clear. He is the one with the keys, everyone else is just waiting for the jailbreak.

Happy to be here, lovie...I've missed you. Think life has been kinda crazy for us both!!

Mar. 1st, 2014 01:09 am (UTC)
Insightful recap, as always. I, too, found the interaction between Mama Tran and Sam so terribly sad, so powerful. All that passed between them with hardly any words...killer.

As for the boys, I'm really wondering at this point. Is Sam so hurt, so wrecked he can't see beyond this crud, even when Dean is utterly devastated? Or is there something weird going on... When Kevin spoke and Sam still fled, turned away from Dean, I suddenly had this fleeting thought: something's going on with Sam besides his own baggage and psychological crap. I have no idea if that's the case, but I started wondering about little understood elements at play: the Mark of Cain, remnants of 'Gadreel's grace' that might still be inside of Sam... Is something going on here, or is that just wishful thinking because this hurts so damn much?
Mar. 1st, 2014 08:20 am (UTC)
I give Mama Tran serious kudos for drawing that emotion from Sam with just a look. I mean, she killed me. *sniff*

Honestly? I actually hope it is just Sam's own baggage and emotional crap that had him turning away from Dean at the end. Too often stuff that happens with Sam is written off as because of this Supernatural thing or that Supernatural thing. I think this needs to be just Sam and he needs to cycle through these emotions and come up with a way to deal with them that doesn't leave them both in tatters.

Thanks for reading, despite this being late!
Mar. 1st, 2014 02:24 pm (UTC)
I don't care if your review is late, Gaelic. It's my fav!
Mar. 1st, 2014 01:12 am (UTC)
Angels - meh. I just don't care. It's too complicated and there's plenty else that's important to me to worry about the mess with the angels.

It was soooooo good to see Kevin again!!! I feel so bad that he's stuck here and I worried like Dean about him becoming an angry ghost. :( For the time being, tho, he's with his mom and they're together and it'll be good, at least for a while.

I agree with you about Mama Tran looking too clean to have been there for a year. Looked more like it had been a week.

And yes, the magic cream - they use it way too much on Show. I don't think they realize the value of a little extended hurt. lol

Next ep looks pretty good. A nice break.
Mar. 1st, 2014 08:22 am (UTC)
It WAS good to see Kevin. I wouldn't be super surprised if we saw him again when they 'fix' Heaven (b/c you know they will). I just hope he stays "Kevin" until that time and doesn't go vengeful spirit on us.

"...value of a little extended hurt." HA! I love it! Yes, yes they do.

See you after next epi!
Mar. 1st, 2014 01:29 am (UTC)
It is baffling how some fans see Dean's obvious pain and depression as something he should just 'get over' and are angry with him.

'Cause Jensen Ackles is tearing my heart out without saying a word...
Mar. 1st, 2014 01:50 am (UTC)
Hear hear, I think poor Dean is really getting a raw deal but the plus side is Jensens amazing heart breaking acting.
Mar. 1st, 2014 04:18 am (UTC)
This. Also the number of people who I've seen totally dismiss Dean's apology to Kevin as really just a "pity party" is making me sad. Everyone wants an apology from Dean but when he gives one, heartfelt and genuinely sorry for what he's done he's derided for it. Guy can't win on that one.
Mar. 1st, 2014 08:25 am (UTC)
Pfft. Kevin, I can excuse saying that because he was frustrated and dead. But if anyone really listened to his apology, watched him as he gave it, I don't know how they could call it a 'pity party' unless they were just looking for a way to belittle Dean. He didn't say 'woe is me' -- he said, 'this is on me, I did this, and I'm sorry.'

How is that a pity party again?
Mar. 1st, 2014 08:23 am (UTC)
I don't know how anyone could just 'get over' all he's been through. And double-yes to the "tearing my heart out" sentiment.
Mar. 3rd, 2014 05:30 am (UTC)
Seriously??!!! Some people are coming back saying that Dean should just get "over it" in regards to Kevin. I can't believe that. Kevin's death, and the circumstances leading up to it, Dean carries that guilt, along with the guilt for everyone else that he knows that has died, and those are things that you just don't get over. Dean is grieving, and everyone grieves differently. So much has been heaped on Dean, he can only process his grief in his own way. Dean is actually breaking my heart with his grief and Jensen is playing this out so perfectly. Dean is just so raw and broken. My heart cries for him.
Mar. 1st, 2014 01:57 am (UTC)
Your recaps always hit the nail on the head for me and I look forward to reading them. I agree that Dean just oozes loneliness (Jensen does this SO well) and both him and Sam are captives of their own pain. Alone togther, as you aptly said. So sad. On a lighter note, I loved your take on the current storylines with 'hellgate' and 'heaven's closed for business, made me smile!

Edited at 2014-03-01 01:58 am (UTC)
Mar. 1st, 2014 08:28 am (UTC)
Thanks so much for reading! I'm so pleased the rambles work for you, even when they're a bit hurried. :)
Mar. 1st, 2014 02:36 am (UTC)
I can't brain much tonight, but that is still Billy Squire. It's the bridge toward the end, about...3.15.


:) And yes - captives was the perfect name for this ep. Oh, Sam. Oh Dean. Oh, BOYS.
*hugs Mrs. Tran*
Mar. 1st, 2014 08:29 am (UTC)
Thank you! It was bugging me, not knowing. I used to have the opening riff of Lonely Is The Night as a ringtone once upon a time. :)

Oh boys is right. *adds to your Mrs. Tran hug*
Mar. 1st, 2014 02:43 am (UTC)
I just don't care about the angels...not even enough to learn their names. Angel nicknames....I think Gabriel called Lucifer "Lucy". And that angel who sank the Titanic (whose name I can't be bother to remember). called. Castiel. " Cassie". I'm just tired of all the pain.m. :/
Mar. 1st, 2014 08:31 am (UTC)
We need the magic CW cream to go on the boys' broken hearts and make that all better in the time it takes to run a set of commercials. If it can work on a sliced neck and bruised eye, it can work on that kind of pain, too, right? ;)
Mar. 1st, 2014 03:46 am (UTC)
I missed your Ramble so much this week! So I am over the moon that it is here. How you are able to do it while traveling just amazes me. There was so much to this episode. Sam's bolting at Dean's call for help, I hope is a sign that Sam still thinks of him as his brother. That is the second time we saw that. I think Sam is just really angry,sad, and frustrated. He is lashing out because that is what Sam does.

At the end of the episode when Sam walks off, I think it is because he is processing a bunch of stuff. I can only guess that he was angry with Dean because Sam was the one who had to tell Mrs Tran about her son. But also, he has discovered that he would not have gone to Heaven as he thought if Dean had let him die. He would have been stuck as well. So even though he didn't know that, Dean saved him from that. My guess is that pisses him off too in a weird way. And I think he knows that Kevin is right, but he is not ready to give in. He doesn't want to be the center of Dean's universe anymore. But when it looks like Dean might shift his attention away, he doesn't like that either. Sam is messed up for sure.

I liked Cas's story. I like that he tried to turn the other cheek with Bart. Maybe it is the beginning a some Angels being good again. That would be nice.

I had so idea that Kevin or Mrs Tran were going to show up again. I love Mrs. Tran, she is so awesome. I wish she would stay at the bunker. I am not sure it makes sense for her to go home. That doesn't seem safe to me. I am glad that they both go the send off they deserved. Although I am a little pissed that Kevin didn't forgive Dean. That comment on the pity party was cold and mean. Seriously, does Dean have a cosmic kick me sign on him?

Seeing Dean alone at the end was heartbreaking. But I really wish they would let us in Sam's head. I want to see what is really going on in there. I find I am starting to get used to the distance between them. I don't think that is a good thing. As much as I can somewhat understand where Sam is coming from, I still think it sucks. He has a wicked tongue and can cut to the bone. When he and Dean argue, Sam can just talk circles around him.

This was probably really disjointed, sorry about that. Lack of sleep does that to me.
Mar. 1st, 2014 08:37 am (UTC)
I'm here! Yay! :) So glad you came back to read.

I think Sam is just really angry,sad, and frustrated. He is lashing out because that is what Sam does.

I agree. His instinct is to go to Dean when Dean needs him; it's confusing when he does that and yet says he wouldn't save Dean if he were dying. I don't think Sam knows what he wants to do, he's only reacting to what he needs to do.

I hadn't thought about Sam processing the fact that Dean saved him from there being no Heaven. That's a really good point! I mean, neither of them knew that, of course, but still!

I don't know that Kevin didn't forgive Dean. I mean he didn't come right out and say, "Yeah, so, your apology that I said was a pity-party? I accept it. It's okay." But he thanked them, and he asked them to make up. In a way, I took that as Kevin saying "it's okay" because he knows how much Dean needs his brother -- moreso, even than Sam needs Dean.

It would have been nice to have had it verbally acknowledged, but at least he didn't say anything hurtful to Dean there at the end. It's something, at least.

But I really wish they would let us in Sam's head. I want to see what is really going on in there.

Yeah, ditto.

Thanks for reading even though I was late!
Mar. 1st, 2014 05:52 pm (UTC)
I wonder if Death would have been able to bypass the closed gates of Heaven. Maybe that is why he made a special trip for Sam? I hope it means we will get to see Death again. (Hmm, not something one says everyday. SPN has made our lives weird!)

I think you are right that Kevin has forgiven Dean. I watched it again, and I think the reason he didn't explicitly say it is because he never blamed Dean. Kevin is super smart and he knew the score. Also, when he called Dean an dick at the end, I think that was guy speak for "we are cool, dude".
Mar. 4th, 2014 12:41 am (UTC)
I don't find Sam can talk circles around Dean but I do find that Sam will always go for the "Kill Shot" if you will. Dean has no problem telling Sam how it is but it generally isn't said with Malice, where Sam's is and he'll try to inflict as much pain as he can with his words.

Sad really.
Mar. 1st, 2014 03:51 am (UTC)
I couldn't agree more about Dean's loneliness and it's heartbreaking. I want to reach through the TV and just hug him smother him with love and affection... (nothing unusual about that I always want to do that. Go figure). And Sam... I want to reach through the TV, shake him and slap him a few times to make him come to his senses.

I believe that the mark of Cain storyline will somehow be the catalyst that brings the brothers back to together. Maybe at some point Sam will have to make a choice to save Dean and this will make him realize that yes he would do the same for Dean that Dean has done for him his whole life. I pray we don't have to wait too long for that to happen.

I also agree that Mrs. Tran should have looked a little more worse for wear.

The magic wound healing potion that the CW seems to have should be bottled and sold to the wider community!

Re: The second note on your loved list.

'Dean's scruff. It speaks to his exhaustion, his loneliness, his complete inability to even care about something so inconsequential as shaving at this point.'

I'd like to add to that. If he finds shaving inconsequential then so he should feel the same about getting a regular haircut. Dean with beard scruff and longer hair = YUM!!

Hope you enjoyed your working trip to OZ.

Silvertayl 57

PS: Happy 36th birthday Jensen!

Edited at 2014-03-01 03:53 am (UTC)
Mar. 1st, 2014 08:39 am (UTC)
I want to reach through the TV and just hug him smother him with love and affection... (nothing unusual about that I always want to do that. Go figure)

Right there with ya, sister. :)

Haha -- Dean with scruff and longer hair?? How would we stand it??

Thanks so much for reading!
Mar. 1st, 2014 01:13 pm (UTC)
Your wonderful rambles coincided with my rewatch comments this week so I am late again.

You know, I was pretty sure that Kevin said "Sam and Dean Winchester" and he was talking about pity parties... I thought maybe Sam had been doing the same and Kevin had been listening to him as well. I did have question marks in my head over those words too - especially since I was in tears over Dean's apology. It bothers me that he did not say anything to lift Dean's spirits in the end there... An I forgive you would have been nice.

I was relieved that you also noticed how Sam was unnecessarily bugging Dean about Crowley - two times - and he didn't look like he thought it was funny either. Combined with his reaction in the werewolf epi when Dean first told him about working with Crowley, it almost seemed like he is jealous or, if we're lucky, worried.

The fact that he avoided Dean at the end there was really weird. He has been talking until now. Why all of a sudden silence? Did they have a fight we don't know about?? Kevin actually mentioned "fighting" aye? Is he thinking of the talks they have been having? Is that why Sam leaves? to keep his promise to Kevin and stop fighting?

I didn't like this episode much. The angel line was boring, except for the developments it might lead to as you said. The search for Mrs. Tran was ok, but the jokes sounded sad or snide, there were no real thrilling moments (I'm being picky here) and for reasons mentioned above, I could not be overly happy to see Kevin again.

But... there were some nice expressions by Dean so I have gone and added some to my review again (this time they are linked to originals)HERE

Edited at 2014-03-01 01:15 pm (UTC)
Mar. 1st, 2014 01:44 pm (UTC)
You know, reading your recaps is like a balm to my soul. I always find myself agreeing to your every word :)

I really hope the boys follow Kevin's advice though, I'm not sure how much more of this I can take. They're physically hurting me!
Mar. 1st, 2014 05:55 pm (UTC)
Oh, I second that! Well said. "A balm to the soul", indeed!
Mar. 2nd, 2014 09:11 pm (UTC)
Hi, Gaelic! Just a quick note to say I read and enjoyed, as always. I agree with pretty much everything you said here.

And may I just say, I'm scared. Honestly scared, at where they might be going as we hit the home stretch of the season. I don't think they'll wrap everything up--there's too much story going on right now for that--but I'm both hopeful and worried that the season cliffhanger will be the Mark of Cain, what it will push Dean towards and what kind of reaction Sam will have.

Mar. 3rd, 2014 01:53 pm (UTC)
thank you for another great recap, it always helps me to understand the motivations of the writers!

I'm still keeping up to date with the show, but I'm not going to watch any more episodes until I know how they're going to resolve the angst between the brothers. Know that's a childish way to do it, but I can't keep investing in a show that is tearing away the very fabric of what has kept me hooked for 9 years.

I still want to love this show, and keep being a fan but I think I'll just sit back for a while and see how this runs.

I may not comment moving forward, but I'll always come and visit your insightful diagnosis of the show xxx
Mar. 3rd, 2014 10:24 pm (UTC)
hey gaelic-it's meggin
Have I mentioned that I hate it when the boys are at odds with each other? Well, I do, it's my least favorite thing the writers can do to 'spice' up the action.

But apart from that I was amazed by how little emotional investment I have for the angel arc this season.

Don't get me wrong but the way the director cut away from the Winchesters story line and went to follow up on Cas-TV it was like watching two programs and I found it disconcerting.

If what Metatron did when he left heaven himself caused the gates to close and lock out all new incoming souls, like Kevin's, it would be the only thing that could make heaven's civil war personal to me or Sam and Dean. Because it just is so wrong that human's can't go to the rest they deserve. And honestly I just don't find the political intrigue between Crowley vs Abbadon or good angels vs Metatron all that interesting. So if the writers focus on opening up heavens gates that would be a story line I'd find emotionally satisfying. Coz I want Dean and Sam to have a place to lay their weary heads when their work is done. That's my vested interest (LOL)

I do find the obvious lack of brotherly love between Dean and Sam very frustrating. I'm hoping it is caused by the curse Cain mentioned that happens to the wearer of the Mark. Otherwise I'm at a loss to understand it.

And was the title Captives a metaphor for both Mrs Tran's devotion to her son and Dean's devotion to Sam? While at the same time was Kevin's lack of choice to remain with his mom an echo of how Sam feels as captive to Dean's need to have a family at all costs? IDK.

I want them fixed. I want the bro hug. I want Sam to love Dean in spite of what he views are wrongs done to himself in the past. And I want Dean to know he is loved. Period. (LOL) And for them to kick Metatron's @ss! And maybe Bobby could help with that- now THAT would make me happy!
Mar. 3rd, 2014 11:24 pm (UTC)
Great ramble as always! Late or not, it's always an eloquent and fair opinion on the show. And I'm happy to read it because it makes me want to try a little harder to care about Sam's issues.

The past few episodes have really, really made me loathe Sam - and I hate that! I may not have always understood him but I've still always cared about him. That has gone out the window the past few eps and been replaced with mostly fury and contempt, which is awful and lessens my enjoyment of the show.

I get that he has a right to be upset about what Dean did to save him. Of course he isn't going to just get over it immediately and say "whew, thank goodness you saved my life by having me possessed by an evil angel, bro". I get all that but the way he's expressed his anger, issues or whatever they're being called don't elicit any sympathy from me at all. People say things in the heat of an angry moment, I know that, but IMO, the things Sam has said to Dean have not been in the heat of an angry moment. He just plainly states that Dean does more bad than good and then tack on the 'just being honest' thing to make him seem sincere instead of mean. To me, pretty much every exchange he has with Dean lately just comes off as Sam being douchey. Blech. I hate that!

Anyhoo, I appreciate your rambles and your more sane thoughts on the matter. Sometimes this show makes me feel like I'm 14 years old, I swear! Maybe it'll get better this week?! :)
Mar. 3rd, 2014 11:45 pm (UTC)
Hi Gaelic, welcome home...

Loved your ramble and I thought the episode was one of the better ones this season. This is a new writer (Robert Berens) and I liked how he kept the boys in character considering their recent interactions. No joking around; little talking without snark unless it concerned the case. Ya' know, business like. No brotherly anything. However, I did notice how quickly Sam ran to find Dean when he yelled for him at the beginning of the episode. And Sam did save Dean in the storage unit, so maybe he does have his hunting partner's back after all. Yes, I know, snark...

We were pre-empted in Chicago, so I didn't see this episode until Saturday night - aired during the Blackhawk's outdoor hockey game no less. :-(

I thought Dean's "talk" to Kevin was heartbreaking. I'm sure he wished he had a do-over to hopefully save Kevin - get him out of the bunker or whatever. I don't think it would have stopped him from saving Sam though. Loved seeing Mama Tran again but wish she could have enjoyed more time with alive Kevin. She always was a hardass though, and just did what she had to whether it was cutting wires or bringing her "ghost" son home with her. How sad.

The end... Well, Sam certainly isn't ready to talk with Dean and try to come to an understanding. So much for a promise to a person he cared about. It was so sad to see Dean turn around to say something and see Sam's back to him. Then just go back to his music in his room. Love how you linked their relationship to the title in this episode, and I agree with it 100%. This situation is really dragging on; wish they would resolve it and get on to the Mark of Cain story - that would be so much more interesting! We'll see. You'd think that with Dean having the Mark of Cain, Sam would be a little nicer to him considering that Cain committed the first and most famous fratricide. ;) Right now I wouldn't even blame Dean.

Well, tomorrow is another episode. Not one I'm looking forward to especially considering the boys' relationship at this time. We'll see how it's handled. See you after. :)


Edited at 2014-03-03 11:46 pm (UTC)
Mar. 4th, 2014 04:24 am (UTC)
Okay, I know I said my last one was my last- but I do want to say this. Dean's apology to Kevin was beautiful and heartfelt and tugged at my bitter heart to melt.
But when it was over, it just reminded me of what Sam is never going to hear, and I just get bitter again.
Mar. 4th, 2014 05:55 am (UTC)
Thanks again for the recap and sharing your thoughts on this episode.

I usually don't want to know what is going to happen each week as I like the surprise, but I haven't had time to watch the episode yet. We arrived home from our vacation to another snowstorm. Less then 48 hours ago I was wearing shorts and the temperature was 80 degrees.

I love these lines/thoughts you wrote, "...actually enjoy being tense as I watch the show, but I want to be tense from an omg this is scary-slash-intense position, and not from a what heart-crushing words are going to be spoken from one brother to another this week position." This is exactly how I feel about the show. The writers just need to give us answers or start fixing the brothers bond. Enough is enough.

Until next time, take care.

Mar. 4th, 2014 07:14 am (UTC)
Sorry its taken a while to reply (although I did get there before the next episode ;) ) but I was busy seeing 'The Boss' in concert with the E Street band.

It was an okay episode. Happy to see the Tran storyline completed. In a way happy not to see resolution for the boys. Sam is wavering but will it be soon enough to save Dean from the mark of cain fate ... actually read a fanfic where Sam was the way he was because of the mark and it wasn't til Dean had it removed that they got things sorted ... and yes I am hoping that this is all leading upto Sam saving Dean for once.

Ghostfacers tomorrow, traditionally I've always hated those episodes and since I'm going out for dinner tomorrow night I'll probably watch it on the weekend, so I'll see you then.

BTW .... BAMF Cas was awesome!!!!! he will get his redemption by restoring Heaven
Mar. 4th, 2014 03:14 pm (UTC)
So I'm watching on sufferance right now. If I hear that Dean has apologized and Sam hasn't after that awful "purge" of his, I'm pretty sure that I will be done for good because the only thing I'll be able to take away from that diatribe is that the writers actually feel that way about Dean, too-not just Sam, who is a fictional character. And if that IS how they see Dean, then to me it's the biggest slap in the face to Jensen and all his talent and hard work and all that he's given over to the show and his character since Day One. And I'll be hoping with every fiber of my being that after S10, he'll be moving on to another project in which the writers respect his talent more.

I thought this episode was okay. The angel stuff dragged, but mostly I was happy that Dean wasn't made to apologize to Sam. At this point, I think I would throw up in my mouth if I had to watch that. Seriously. So yeah, I'm DVRing again, so I can skip that scene when it happens.

I will say this-Mr. Ackles legs in that scene when he was tied up?-SEXY! beyond words...*winks*...

But Dean's face at the end was the best part of it all. Maybe HE'S finally had it with Sam, and in a surprising turnabout, will finally come out with some harsh/brutal truths of his own-especially concerning what was swept under the carpet from the first half of last season, including the Benny and Martin fiasco-in the next brother pow wow. I mean since Sam was able to give his completely "honest" opinion about Dean and Dean's life work, shouldn't Dean be afforded the same concerning Sam and Sam's life-if the writers are truly to interested in putting everything out on the table and breaking EVERYTHING down before any re-building can start, that is. Not holding my breath on this, though, because going by all past history, this show has a huge aversion to pointing out and having Sam realize and acknowledge his own always ongoing and continuing faults and flaws within the brothers' relationship, but let's see if this bunch can get it right for once. Hope springs eternal. *fingers crossed*

Edited at 2014-03-04 03:20 pm (UTC)
Mar. 7th, 2014 08:42 pm (UTC)
Other angels have used "Cas" before, but I always got the feeling that Dean sort of started it. My headcanon is that it's kind of a subtle mockery kind of thing. "Castiel" isn't who he once was. He belong with the Winchesters now. They've changed him. He's "Cas" now. Does that kind of make sense? :P (Maybe just in my head).

I'm intrigued by Dean's defending Crowley, I think Sam's reading it right. Dean has formed some kind of a bond with Crowley, maybe without even realizing it. :P

I really hope they cover all the stuff you listed before the end of the season - or maybe they'll carry some of it over into next season, we'll see ;)
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