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Stream of Consciousness, Epi 10.21

I'd like to say I didn't see that one coming...but I'd be lying. However, when I speculated that Sam's statement of "death not always being goodbye" last episode was foreshadowing, I probably should have cast the net wider than just the brothers.


Due to time constraints rather than dissatisfaction, I'm going to keep this short (-er, ya'll know I can't really do short). These last couple weeks have seriously kicked my ass (and the rest of May promises to be more of the same), but I couldn't not Ramble. Plus, they always tighten the screws in the last three episodes of the season and this one was no exception.

The Powers That Be seem to find it necessary to systematically cut off just about everyone who cares about the Winchesters from their lives. Starting with their parents, the boys have lost everyone -- even Cas, once, though he was returned to them. I guess you could say that Charlie has joined the honored ranks of those who sacrificed or where sacrificed for the Winchester brothers.

Now they just gotta earn this. And no, I don't think they have yet. Time and time again they do -- with their continuous fight for the greater good, with their own personal sacrifices, with their pain, with their loss, with their hard choices -- but this time? This time it was pointless. There was no honor in her death from my point of view. It is merely a catalyst to triggering Dean to go all Sith on the Stein's and let go of the control he's been hanging on to so tightly (almost) all season.

Dean's anger at Sam for pulling Charlie and Cas into his plan was, I felt, completely justified. Now, I know that Sam's reasons for doing so were to save his brother -- because, as he said in the car, they all love Dean. But we previously spent practically an entire season putting Dean on trial (one way or another) for doing the exact same thing for Sam. Well, no, not the exact same. Dean's choices to save Sam betrayed Sam -- he lied to him and made choices for him and put himself in danger because of those choices -- but Dean didn't pull anyone else into danger. But it was pretty darn close and they still haven't learned anything!

ETA: I was reminded that Dean actually did pull someone else into danger and death: Kevin. So, it is the same!

Before this turns into the inevitable Brother Blame Game, I'm not saying I'm blaming Sam, mind you. I'm saying that Dean being angry at him is fair. Just as Sam being angry at Dean -- and saying some pretty damn hurtful things to him because of that -- was justified. And really, Cas and Charlie are adults. They knew what they were getting into and could have at any time told Sam no. What's more, Charlie could have not left the sigil-protected JB Warehouse and gone off to a random motel where no one was nearby to keep her safe.

No, I'm blaming whoever feels that this endless cycle of secrets and lies and betrayal between our two favorite brothers on the planet is still a good idea. Writers? Showrunners? Producers? ENOUGH ALREADY.

If I were completely honest with you guys and myself, the primary item on my like list at this point would be the fact that the Steins are actually the Frankensteins. That I didn't see coming and with the history they've built up around the chaos and mayhem that family has perpetuated across the centuries -- plus the creepy-assed practice of bio-enhancement and using a supernaturally empowered Book of the Damned to 'facilitate' their evil schemes -- they are a pretty damn good Big Bad. I kinda hope they dove-tail into S11 because I could get behind the boys being up against a family of evil-doers with genetic modifications. Not exactly supernatural, but also not exactly fully human. I dig it.

But, because it's our boys and I have never not found something about them to enjoy, my list will be longer. And because for some reason I apparently like having the Winchesters break my heart.

Sam's desperate search for something to save his brother stays true to the quest he initiated the moment Dean was human once again. And he's not as good at the lying as his brother seems to be -- it has started to unravel him at the seams, showing the wear and tear it's having on him. I feel for him because I know he feels that the ends will justify the means, but I'm also frustrated with him because he was the one to punish his brother emotionally for that very same viewpoint. It's a prime example of not being able to take your own advice.

That? And if anyone should heed the warning that "magic always comes at a price" it's Sam. He's been the victim of such a price since he was a baby.

I liked Dean's honesty -- the way he kind of summarizes and catalogues the symptoms of dark thoughts, creepy visions, violent urges (though, I wish the show were paced differently so we saw more of those symptoms) to Sam rather than simply shrugging it off with a typical, "I'm good." And I liked the calculating, cagey looks he gave his brother when Sam's behavior had Dean's Spidey senses on high alert. I liked, too, how he didn't come straight out and accuse Sam of dishonesty, but presented the information provided to him and gave Sam a chance to fess up. It was a pretty scary (and effective) interrogation tactic for the guilty party. And though it probably sounds backwards, I liked how he showed his anger -- the way he circled Sam, his eyes like lasers, his focus complete, his jaw tight and voice sharp, like verbal slaps.

I liked Charlie's loyalty and her willingness to work with Rowena, despite knowing what she was, simply because it was for Dean. There have been times in seasons past that has been my reason for hanging in there with our show -- for Dean. And it's the one thing that has kept Sam on this reckless and heartbreaking path -- for Dean. But Rowena's prediction that "your steadfast loyalty will be your undoing," could not have been more true. In fact, it seems to be true of everyone who finds themselves embroiled in the lives and plight of the Winchesters. The boys engender loyalty simply because of the way they live on behalf of others -- the fact that they take out the bad guys and save people, working to rid the world of evil. Folks see that or are touched by that and they can't help but care about the boys and the fight and stay loyal to them. But it gets them killed. Every damn time.

I'm not really sure what to think about the last two episodes -- the boy's reactions to seeing Charlie's bloody body in the motel bathtub was wrenching. Sam looked breathless and sick while Dean simply appeared shell-shocked. This is going to set Dean off like nothing else would (which, I get, was probably the point) and Sam will either have to step it up and find the cure or accept that all the secrets and lies were for naught. This is not going to be pretty.

*braces self for the gut punch*

LIKES:

  • The fact that the Steins are in Louisiana. Something about the history of that state just screams mystery.

  • "You look like crap on toast...is there a woman you haven't mentioned?"

  • "I do that." "You actually don't."

  • "Why are we meeting here? I could have come to the Death Star." I am so going to miss her nerd references. Charlie was a character who made me feel that my continuous insertions of random movie references and quotes were not only normal, they were cool.

  • "Is there any part of this that doesn't reek?" No, Charlie. No there isn't.

  • Surface product placement and Charlie having a bookmark for the Supernatural books by Carver Edlund. Awesome.

  • "Hell's bells, more distractions. What are you? Witch or nerd?" "Angel." "...Beg pardon?"

  • "What are the rules? If I'm going to referee I should at least know them." "Did you tell him the first rule is don't tell your brother what we're doing?"

  • "This never ends well." Right?! This is what I'm saying!! How come no one pays attention? Maybe they should go back and read the Supernatural books on Charlie's Surface.

  • "For Dean." I think that should be my hashtag on this one.

  • The fact that the image on Crowley's darts looked a bit like Darth Maul. Plus also, "Nice grouping!"

  • The boys dual reactions to seeing Eldon Stein stick the landing from the 3rd floor drop.

  • "The forces that ruled before there was Mac." Heh. That one actually made me grin.

  • Rowena and Charlie's wacky bonding moment. Wish we could have seen more of those two interacting.

  • Cas being a bloody awful liar. "This call is pointless."

  • Dean's Spidey sense look.

  • The fact that Rowena has/had a demon lover. Intriguing.

  • Dean taking out one Stein and capturing another. For such a genetically- enhanced family, they're still no match for Dean Winchester.

  • "My mind is a wad of gummy worms." Preach it, sister. That was me yesterday, I'm telling you.

  • The reveal that the Steins were actually the House of Frankenstein.

  • "As long as my brother and I believe, that's enough." Gah, Dean. You and your steadfast belief in your brother. I hope with all my Winchester love that it pays off in the end because if not, it's going to utterly break my heart.

  • Dean's face when Eldon reveals that the Book cannot be destroyed.

  • The reveal that Eldon wolverined himself out of the chains (the animal, not the X-man).

  • Cas learning that Rowena is Crowley's mom and responding with a sympathetic, "That must have been difficult."

  • Dean's outrage and anger at discovering Sam didn't burn the book and had Charlie and Cas working with him to translate. It was a pure, righteous anger...almost like a release valve.

  • "Charlie loves you, Dean. We all love you." *rubs heart* Please remember that, Dean. Remember he said that, he means that. Remember when you go on a warpath so that you don't catch the wrong person with your rage.

  • The fact that Charlie was able to upload the key to the code before she met her demise. That was some quick thinking there, girl. Bravo, you. I just hope it pays off. *bites lip*

NOT SO MUCH:

  • Charlie dying. Full stop. So much about that is wrong for me, the fact that it only takes up one bullet point is disappointing.

  • Sam lying to Dean; Cas lying to Dean.

BURNING QUESTIONS:

I think we're too close to the end for me to appropriately fill this out. I have a ton of questions, but at this point we're supposed to have questions so that we'll tune in to the final two episodes and see how many of them are answered and how many have to wait until S11. I'll be there.

Will you?

Thanks for reading. Slainte!

Comments

( 37 Tall Tales — Tell Me A Story )
thruterryseyes
May. 9th, 2015 08:16 pm (UTC)
there were moments i liked. Any moment that has Dean in it. But I still think Charlie brought it on herself by leaving the dungeon or where ever the hell they were and going to her motel. Dean when he realizes what the Stein brother is actually saying and you see the penny drop. The chewed off arm. Although I think ripping his hand off would have sufficed, and i am so disturbed by the fact that I even speculate on stuff like that. Does that mean he gets a new arm?

Anxious for the next two, mostly cause I just want it to be over. And I totally agree, one brother dying and the othet moving, literally, heaven and earth to bring him back will be disappointing.

Been there. Done that.
gaelicspirit
May. 13th, 2015 06:56 pm (UTC)
I am actually dreading tonight's episode. I hope it gives me hope for the finale...but I'm just afraid of more dread.

*sigh*
dreamsofspike
May. 9th, 2015 09:01 pm (UTC)
Very much agreed with most of this. I did like the episode even though Charlie's death REALLY hurt. :(

And I get the parallels between Dean last season and Sam this season - but the one point where I have to disagree is about Dean pulling other people into danger in the process.

Because, Kevin. :( :( :(

Dean may not have thought of it that way, but he didn't KNOW he could trust Gadreel. They've had angels try to murder them all multiple times in the past. Yet he allowed this stranger angel around himself, Sam, Cas, and Kevin, and that did put them in danger. :(
gaelicspirit
May. 10th, 2015 01:49 am (UTC)
Because, Kevin. :( :( :(

You are totally right -- I didn't even think of that until you pointed it out, but Dean pulling Kevin in for help got him killed. I put an ETA up in my Ramble.

Thanks for reading!
jazzyirish
May. 9th, 2015 09:51 pm (UTC)
I am so tired of the unnecessary deaths of every character with whom the boys have a relationship for either shock value or to set up brother angst. And worse yet, they had to dumb down Charlie in order to get her killed. She had been running from the Stynes with the book and knew that they were dangerous, so why would she leave the protected environment to go to one that was exposed? She's smarter than that.

You know I keep track of the writers and Charlie is Robbie Thompson's character and he has written every episode that she's been in - except this one. I have a feeling that he refused to write it. I just hope he's not pissed off enough to leave Supernatural, because he's one of the better writers on staff.

Yes, I think Dean's headed off seeking revenge on the Stynes. (And no, I didn't guess their real family ties either.)Jensen is knocking this MoC role out of the park and I can't wait for next week. Will this be the catalyst that sets the Mark off? I somehow don't think Charlie will be the last death this season. Are we going to lose Crowley or Cas? Probably Rowena.

Next week the episode is preempted in Chicago, so I may watch online instead of waiting until Sunday night. We'll see. Hang in there with your crazy schedule, for hopefully, this too shall pass. See you next week.

Irish
borgmama1of5
May. 10th, 2015 12:33 am (UTC)
Robbie Thompson spoke in Chicago today at DePaul University's pop culture seminar. He wrote the episode right before this one, so there was no opportunity for him to even be offered this episode.

He was not happy about Charlie being killed, and expressed his opinion to TPTB, but he said the showrunner (Carver) is the person who is guiding the show, and ultimately all the writers serve his vision.

He fully intends to stay as long as he is offered work on the show.
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borgmama1of5
May. 10th, 2015 12:22 am (UTC)
When I was a new mom, at home all day with a baby, I started watching a soap opera in the afternoon. For a year I watched girl love guy, girl break up with guy for dumb reasons, guy win her back, get to the altar, and then right before she is to walk down the aisle she overhears the maid-of-honor tell someone she is pregnant with the groom's baby and she walked out of the wedding.

I turned it off and never watched it again.

Seeing Sam do the exact same thing this year that was so disasterous last year when Dean did it has me so frustrated. I WANT THESE CHARACTERS TO ACHIEVE SOME GROWTH...

Don't get me wrong, I'll watch to the what I'm sure will be the bitter end...but there could be so much more...

I'm so sad about Charlie. It was an heroic death--she gave her life for Dean (for the second time, remember against the wicked witch?!) in true Winchester fashion, just like she learned from the books...
gaelicspirit
May. 13th, 2015 07:06 pm (UTC)
I WANT THESE CHARACTERS TO ACHIEVE SOME GROWTH...

Don't get me wrong, I'll watch to the what I'm sure will be the bitter end...but there could be so much more...


I couldn't agree more. Below is a modified excerpt of my reply to tyrsibs' great commentary on why Charlie had to die. It echoes what I wanted to say to you, as well.


"...I'd love to ask the writers: are our heroes simply doomed to this same cyclical pattern? Will they ever see that in so many ways they're causing their own pain? And if they are going to suffer in this endless destiny of loss and sacrifice and lies and betrayal...I have to wonder why do I keep torturing myself?!?

I agree that Charlie's goal -- saving Dean -- was no less heroic than Ellen, Jo, Bobby, Benny, Kevin, John, Mary...any of the others who have died because of or for the Winchester brothers. I think her goal was honorable and I love her for it. I think her death, though, was a needless trigger for another occurrence slated to hit us. Like you eloquently pointed out: the writer's gears are showing.

I'm not even shocked by Charlie's death. I'm sad about it. I'm sad that it does feel repetitive to me. I'm sad that Charlie is Sam's Kevin, as you said. I'm sad that they gave us -- once again, like Kevin, like Benny, like Bobby, like Ellen, Ash, Jo, all of them -- a character in Charlie that was real and whole and relatable and someone we could see bringing hope and solace to our heroes and then killed her. I'm sad that after 10 years of outright devotion to this show, I'm disappointed in it for not making the last sacrifice count...for needing one more body, one more tragic loss.

And I'm sad that I'm losing hope that we'll see the boys break the cycle, learn from this.

I appreciate the hope you're showing in your analysis, and I will cling to it as I write my last two reviews for this season and look ahead to S11 (because I just can't quit our boys), but I don't know that I can see it as being a good choice from the storytelling perspective. Not unless something changes. Not unless, as you and I both have said, they earn this."
tyrsibs
May. 10th, 2015 02:14 am (UTC)
Is this the death that breaks fandom's back? Personally I don't even know how to process it. I understand why, in story terms, and I like your lists. I also agree with Borgmama that it was heroic on Charlie's part. She was a Winchester in all but name, even if she didn't think of herself as a hero.

At this point, I don't think either of the boys will die in this season finale--in fact, I'm not sure anyone else will, either. Coming on top of this, it would just be too much.
gaelicspirit
May. 13th, 2015 07:06 pm (UTC)
We've chatted over on your page, so I just wanted to say thanks for reading and commenting. :) Always great to see you.
iontas
May. 10th, 2015 02:31 am (UTC)
I was so frustrated by her death. It was pointless. The Steins know how to read the book, so anything she told them wouldn't matter. And if she sent them after the book, at least Castiel could help. For as smart as Charlie was, that was just a stupid way to die. I did like seeing Dean realizing that something was up. I guess I liked a lot of the parts until they got to that end. I just hope they go in a different direction soon. I found I wasn't sad or upset at Charlie's death, just annoyed. I really don't like feeling this way about our show. I am beginning to worry that they have run out of new ideas. That scares me for the future. I will hope that something else happens rather than the same old thing. It is hard for me to believe that they can't see how repetitive this is getting!
gaelicspirit
May. 13th, 2015 07:12 pm (UTC)
I really don't like feeling this way about our show.

That's how I was feeling after I saw this episode as well. I am dreading what will happen in tonight's episode, but also hopeful that it will shift me to being excited for the finale.

There's always hope, right?? :)
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supernutjapan
May. 10th, 2015 04:34 am (UTC)
Cas learning that Rowena is Crowley's mom and responding with a sympathetic, "That must have been difficult."

I felt that this was an example of how Rowena played with their sympathies. There was also that talk with Charlie about the nun who wrote the Book, in which Charlie sympathizes with the nun. Charlie knows that this book is evil and the nun was pretty crazy, using her own flesh to write the darn thing, but "She was ahead of her time..." WHAT?! What's she getting all sympathetic for?? And CAS. It's Crowley you need to be sympathetic to. Rowena's greatly responsible for what he became!


Yay for the ramble! I enjoyed reading <3
gaelicspirit
May. 11th, 2015 04:10 pm (UTC)
Hey you -- a little LJ birdie told me it was your birthday (yesterday??). I know I'm late, but wanted to wish you a HAPPY BIRTHDAY and my hopes that you have a wonderful year. May the best day of your past be the worst day of your future.

Slainte!
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(Anonymous)
May. 10th, 2015 04:54 am (UTC)
Thanks. I always enjoy these. I will be there with you for season 11 if Dean is there too. No Dean, no fifimom.
gaelicspirit
May. 13th, 2015 07:12 pm (UTC)
I hear you on that, sister.
impala1967
May. 10th, 2015 06:17 am (UTC)
Hey gurl , a quick hello.

Am loving this season and man ... Frankinsteins!!! What a twist, and maybe overdue.

Charlie was inevitable as all sidekicks tend to end up this way, but i still didn't want that fate for her.

Roll on Dean going all Deanish on the Stynes.

S11 ... I'll be there with you.

on another note, are you watching Outlander, if so what are your thoughts?
gaelicspirit
May. 13th, 2015 07:16 pm (UTC)
Frankensteins!! Right?? I loved that twist. I hope it's not resolved by the end of the season, that could be really cool going into S11.

*virtual S11 fist bump*

RE: Outlander, yep! Totally watching.

I read the book about...oh, gosh, 15ish years ago? I was at school in Ireland, so I don't remember ALL of the details, but enough to know that the show is being pretty faithful to the theme and energy of the book. I really like who they picked for Claire -- I cannot imagine anyone else in that role now. And Jamie? Holy crap, that one. I'm ready for the final two episodes of this season because if I remember the book correctly, it's going to be INTENSE and leave us gnashing our teeth until the next season comes around.
qultng1
May. 11th, 2015 03:50 pm (UTC)
I will most assuredly be there! I'm not getting off this ride this late in the game!

Charlie's death made me absolutely furious!!! Many of my shows are killing off some of my favorites this season. Makes me NOT a happy camper!!!

I understand why she left and went to the motel, but it was a dumb move. I knew as soon as she showed up in that window that she was toast. :( What did she upload all that stuff to? Where is it?

Why can't Cas get from point A to point B like he used to? He's got his own grace, so what's up? He could have gotten there in time to save Charlie.

Well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
gaelicspirit
May. 13th, 2015 07:17 pm (UTC)
I think Cas' grace is less in a manner of speaking because Metatron had to use it for the spell. Plus when he flexed his wings, they were broken just like all the other fallen angels (for some reason), so I'm guessing that's why he can't just 'poof' out.

I'm anxious about tonight's episode. I almost want to wait until tomorrow morning to watch. LOL!
jennygeee
May. 11th, 2015 08:03 pm (UTC)
St A14 one person asked Jensen a question a out the MOC that I had thought about and he told her she was very perceptive, now I'm not going to say here what the question was just in case you don't want to have any idea of what may happen. That was a 'pointless' comment :)

Also, I'm afraid I can't make London next week :( I've really tried to sort something out but we just cannot make it, but never mind....next year :)
gaelicspirit
May. 11th, 2015 09:38 pm (UTC)
Okay, now you can't do that to me. I need to know the question, dangit!! LOL! You can PM me if you want. I just have this big ol' ball of dread in my belly about the next two episodes. If you have something that might ease my worry...I'm all for it. :)

Also, no worries about London. I get it and it's become quite the work-laden schedule for me. :( Plan ahead, though, because the hubs, Mo Chuisle, and I are going to be there next March (2016) for vacation and I would Love love LOVE to see you have introduce you to my girl. :)
jesters_tear82
May. 12th, 2015 05:43 pm (UTC)
Hey Gaelic,

Sorry I've been absent, was busy moving to my own place (finally!!)
so at least RL has been kind - unlike our show..

This episode left me with a broken heart for the loss of our beloved fellow nerd Charlie :( I had always identified with her quirkiness, kind soul & love for the boys, & she will be missed by the fandom as much as by the characters of Sam & Dean.

That said, her death will definitely be the catalyst for Dean to go "murder all the way" and that's the road we knew he was heading towards eventually. The Frankenstein family was my favorite part of the ep - it will be interesting to see 2 Winchester brothers go against what seems to be LOTS of enhanced Steins (that's where Dean's mark will come in handy).

BUT I'm worried Dean in his grief will shut Sam out :( It is really kind of like the Kevin situation, with the difference that Charlie in the end chose to sacrifice herself for Dean's sake - which makes her a true hero in my eyes. So, no, while Sam is guilty of lying, I don't find him responsible for Charlie's demise. While I can totally justify Dean being mad, I hope the final episode of the season will have them fighting together, not apart. They have lost so much already, they just can't afford to lose each other.

Also totally with you on not wanting S10 end with one of the guys dead, it's been done - several times. I'm hoping the writers still have it in them to surprise us! Only 2 more, & I'm anxious yet dreading the moment ;) I'll be right here with you for whatever comes next.

p.s. Loving the song that fed your mood on this ramble, from the SoA soundtrack - fits right in.
gaelicspirit
May. 13th, 2015 07:27 pm (UTC)
Congrats on the new digs!!! That's so exciting!! I'm glad RL is being kind -- that's more important than the show being kind because the show CAN BE FIXED! I know it can. We just have to hang in there and believe that they're not going to shatter us into a billion pieces and leave us (metaphorically) bleeding out over the long summer hiatus.

...too dramatic?? ;)

Thank you so much for reading and commenting. I always love hearing from you.
shazza85
May. 13th, 2015 05:59 am (UTC)
Well Gaelic, thanks so much for taking time from the schedule from hell to Ramble with us. Upon reflection I actually enjoyed this episode more than I thought I would,given that it included Charlie's death. The loss of her character will be felt beyond Season 10.

The pacing of the entire epi was grand when seen through Dean's eyes. The interactions between the brothers quickly progressed from Dean's calculating look when Sam enters the bunker.....the "I do that. You actually don't " Interchange, to a challenging question "unless you've got bigger fish to fry?".

I loved that Cas and Charlie were the voices of the fans this week, IMO.
Charlie. "Dean wanted it burned, so is he pissed?....."of course, he doesn't know".... Jeez the two of you" .."behind Deans back?...is there any part of this that doesn't reek".
Cas "Dean doesn't know? Sam this never ends well".
Charlie "that's exactly what I said ".
Charlie "for Dean". Cas "okay for Dean".

My favorite line this week may have been from Roweena "balance is required, one can't be without the other." "The line between good and evil is quite flexible." I fear that to keep the balance will require that both Crowly and Cas die, probably by Dean's hand.

A minor flaw, how could Sam and Dean not realize they had picked up a tail? Don't dumb down my Winchesters! And while I'm at it isn't there altogether to much action taking place around the bunker? It seems like it wouldn't be that hard to track the boys.

I understand that Crowley now knows that Roweena has/had a demon lover. But what did the gerbil say to Crowly that really got his attention? Note to self....that may be the strangest sentence I have ever written.

Also, what CAN Cas do? He can't transport himself or anybody else, he can't locate anything, he can't tell when Metetron is lying, he can't heal or free Amelia. Is he of any use at all beyond blind loyalty?

I thought the tension was terrific as Dean continues to question Sam's actions and motivations throughout. His suspicions ratcheting up when he takes the call from Sam's phone and it's Cas, who can't wing a believable line. Then the kicker, Sam takes a phone call during the interrogation of brother Stein. For Dean the shit has already hit the fan and then Stein reveals "the book cannot be destroyed". The entire scene in the dungeon was electric. Jensen, I mean Dean, just owned it, calm, collected, hot as all get out. It was awesome. His voice "Frakensteins aren't real". "I'm swell at uncovering secrets" just curled my toes. When Stein utters " the book cannot be destroyed" Dean switches to a whole other gear and gets Sam to hang himself without actually accusing him. " at least they don't have the damn book ,at least the damn book burned" then "I can't freakin believe Charlie has the damned book of the damned". When the boys discover Charlie's body their grief, guilt and regret are palpable. This will truly be motivation enough to set Dean in motion, probably kill Crowly then Cas so that part of Cain's prophecy comes to pass. Perhaps it will require action from Chuck to point the Wnchesters in a new direction.

Maybe that will be the big reveal. . In any case I can hardly wait to see the boys unravel further and and hopefully break some new ground in the next two weeks? Thanks as ever for your time and attention.










Really liked that both Charlie and Cas seemed to be talking for the fans
gaelicspirit
May. 13th, 2015 07:34 pm (UTC)
What a great, detailed reaction -- thank you so much for sharing! I loved reading your thoughts.

Perhaps it will require action from Chuck to point the Wnchesters in a new direction.

At this point I would LOVE that.

PS
I know I owe you a response to your PM...I'm still looking in to everything. When do you need to know an answer?
pandorajazz
May. 13th, 2015 06:13 am (UTC)
I'll admit my reaction to Charlie's death was frustration and irritation.
I don't understand why the show writers have to continue to kill everyone close to the Winchesters. I also agree with you, why do the fans have to continue to watch the endless repeat cycle of lies, secrets and betrayal? Also if we have to watch another brothers 'death' again, I think I may yell at the TV. I'll definitely have something to talk/complain/voice my opinion while at the conventions.
I didn't see the death of Charlie coming. Felicity is a great actress as her character had already been killed off when she appeared at the convention in Seattle. She had to listen to all the fans comment on how they loved her strong character and that she fit in well with the Winchesters as their 'little sister.' I always loved how much Charlie loved the Winchesters, they were her family.
The story concerning the Frankenstein's was a nice surprise.. They would be a great enemy for next season, but will Dean have forgiven Sam by then.
I have mentioned before I like how Dean was trying to be honest with how he has been feeling while dealing with the MoC. Though I know it just continued to upset Sam and Castiel.
I still would love Sam to find the cure for Dean, but figure once every ten years of saving his big brother is probably a SN rule. He saved Dean in "Faith" and then at the beginning of this season. Plus if Sam finds the cure, then something bad will probably happen to him as predicted by the Steins.
Enjoyed reading your lists. I am curious about the demon Rowena had as a lover and is he important.
This next episode will be interesting and (probably irritating and heart breaking too) as Jensen commented at the meet and greet, he had fun filming it.
Two episodes left and then I predict another long summer...
Until your next post, take care.
gaelicspirit
May. 13th, 2015 07:35 pm (UTC)
I'll definitely have something to talk/complain/voice my opinion while at the conventions.

YES! And then you'll bring the answers back here to me, right??? :)

Two episodes left and I'm soooo anxious about this one. I'm almost dreading it. I hope it gives me hope for the finale. *bites lip*
hunenka
May. 13th, 2015 07:35 am (UTC)
I guess you could say that Charlie has joined the honored ranks of those who sacrificed or where sacrificed for the Winchester brothers. Now they just gotta earn this. And no, I don't think they have yet. Well said, couldn't agree more. And I'm really becoming tired of this 'brothers lying to each other/doing something behind one another's backs/being angry when it ends badly' recipe for drama.

Season 9 was extremely difficult for me to watch because of the way Sam treated Dean after he learned about Gadreel. But even though I didn't agree with the way Sam (often very cruelly) showed his displeasure with the way Dean took matters into his own hands, in principle I agreed with him and was happy that at least one Winchester was starting to learn something new, learn that sometimes you just have to let your loved one go, especially if saving them means violating their free will. "Same circumstances, I wouldn't." And then they ruined that in 9x23 with Sam's "I lied" (I hoped he'd explain that vital bit about "same circumstances" to Dean). And now the entire s10 Sam acts like Dean had in s9, and even though it's great to see he cares about Dean (but we always knew he did!), it feels like too much of a setback for me.

I don't even know why I started that rant, sorry. It's just something that's been brewing in my mind for a while.


About Dean pulling others into danger in s9 by letting Gadreel possess Sam - yeah, it lead to Kevin being killed, but it's important to remember that "Ezekiel" acted very friendly, plus Castiel said he was a good soldier and Dean could trust him. The only thing that was wrong from the beginning with this scenario was the possession itself. But what Sam is doing with the Book of the Damned? He knew right from the beginning that the price would be extremely high, the book's spells dangerous enough to affect much more than just the few friends Sam and Dean have. Possibly cause damage on a global scale. So the way I see it, what Sam is doing is much more irresponsible.

And I know one might say Sam's trying to prevent Dean from becoming a demon again, but instead of messing with the book, he could've locked Dean up in the bunker. Like Dean actually asked him to.


Sorry for rant number two :) It's just... this episode brought to the fore many issues I've had with SPN for a while.

I'll try to be positive now. The best part of this episode? The scene with Dean "interrogating" Sam. That was so well acted, Dean was so scary in a completely controlled, collected way... I love what Jensen did there. (Okay, I always do.)

I'm sure the last two episodes will be a wild and very painful ride. I'm dreading it and looking forward to it at the same time, but either way I'm glad I'll be able to share my reactions with you.
gaelicspirit
May. 13th, 2015 07:36 pm (UTC)
I loved reading your two rants. :) You will always have a safe place here to bring your thoughts, good, bad, or ugly. We just have to brace ourselves for the next hit tonight and see where they leave us. *yipe!*
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