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Stream of Consciousness: Episode 4.07 ramble

My brother

This one got me thinking. And I can't wait to see how the story plays out. Can. Not. Wait.

After a very long day, our boys are just the balm I need, regardless of the background they're playing against.

Before I get into my ramble, I'd like to say something. This is the first show that I've ever enjoyed to the point that reaches something close to obsession. The rearrange my life so that I don't miss an episode kind of obsession.

And it's also the first show I've ever been as involved in the fandom -- or heck, even KNOWN what a fanfom was. And because of that involvement -- because of fanfiction and the realization that I can create situations and feelings for these characters that are surprisingly fulfilling -- I look at the show differently. I question some things.

But, I always enjoy it. And last week, after I posted my review, I was a silly girl and let some negative feedback on the episode bring me down. In my head, all thoughts are welcome. My heart hurts sometimes by what I read. SO! This week? I'm growing up, posting my thoughts, allowing others theirs, taking a breath, and moving on.

I have been thinking a lot about Sam's plight between last Thursday and this. Thinking about how the creators of his character have been subtly shifting him--even before Dean's deal was due.

Killing Jeremy in DALDOM. Killing Gordon in Fresh Blood. His immunity to Lilith's (or any demon's, apparently) White Light Of Doom (aka Demon Death Rays). Not to mention unspecified dealings with Ruby and using the Force to cast out demons.

There are just so many little things they've been teasing us with to show us how his life, this life, has begun to change him from the sensitive, heart-on-his-sleeve, save as many as he can to change his destiny boy, to a powerful, I have demon blood in me, whole new level of freak, I can use my powers to do "good" man.

And some of that shift happened in the four months we still aren't privy to. I am so. friggin. curious.

But enough about that. Tonight, man. *shivers* These boys twist me up something fierce.

The Ramble

One thing that I noticed, and I don't think I would have had I not read some comments on a ff.net forum -- the Wallace kitchen looked a lot like the kitchen from the epi with the ruguru. And the hotel room? I know we've seen that before. However, I am willing to cut them slack on this because I read in an interview sent to me by the generous wolfpup that they turn this show out on a dime, budgeted to the hilt, and being a Project Manager in life, I know that cuts have to be made somewhere. So, instead of slamming them, I say, yay me for being uber observant. *wink* I wonder what else I can spot that has been used before over the last 4 years?

Okay, razorblades. Gah. Serious. Gah. The inside-the-mouth shot? SWEET! That was very unexpected and rather effective at producing the aformentioned Gah.

I didn't know much about this epi, despite watching the "first looks" -- but with Sam doing the quizzing and Dean poking around randomly, I figured they were looking for a hex bag.

Okay, Dean + Candy = Love. I'm not kidding. His "it's Halloween, man!" had me grinning. He makes me giggle.

Usually, I start the show in a ball of anticipation. But either the wine, the let-down from the day, or the rhythm of the show had me watching the first 30 or so minutes in frank curiousity, rather than tight anxiety.

So, as the boys are checking out the hex bag, and I'm grinning at Dean's "and that makes it better" comment about the charred infant bone, I find myself wondering how the boys found out about this hunt in the first place. Did they spot a news article about the dude that ate the razorblade-filled candy? 'Cause they were there the very next day. How the hell...

See? That's one of those things that I wonder if I would even have noticed or cared about before I started writing fanfiction.

Okay, so... bobbing for apples IS apparently sexy. If you're blonde. And not hexed. Dean's "I got this one" and Sam's very guyish "Two words. Jail. Bait." had me smiling again. I love it when they're just guys.

Oh, total aside? Agent Seger? LOVE! I always thought Bob Seger fit Dean. Actually, I thought he fit John, but since Dream!Dean told Dean back in DALDOM that his music was his Dad's... I guess that works.

Dean's sarcasm toward his brother's eager-beaver research was welcomed. If only because it felt so natural. "Wow. Insightful."

Okay, I know nothing about the origin of Halloween. I mean, I've heard from my Bible belt family, and I've seen from numerous horror movies, and as far as I'm concerned, it's about as fluid as vampire lore. But regardless of the validity of Samhain, I thought this theory made for good storytelling. Plus? Dean's right. Leprechans are scary. Ever see Darby O'Gill and the Little People? I had nightmares for a week about that freaky King Brian riding up in the Banshee's carriage.

Here is where I found myself wishing there was simply more time to tell the story. I really wanted more on how they found out about the hunt, how they found out about Samhain, what this meant, what that meant... blah blah blah. But, when I realized what I was doing, I took a conscious step back, and looked at our boys. Just looked at them. Beauty.

Okay, Dean + Candy = Tummy Ache, apparently. Loved the "No, I mean, son of a bitch." Hee. The phrase actually has meaning.

Oh... Dean's face as he thought about coming back as a hot cheerleader? Priceless. I wanted to climb into his lap when his eyes got that far-away look. I may have whimpered. Good thing the hubs was in the other room.

DUDES! We got some audible flashes of hell! And Sam's "bring back memories" certainly caught Dean off-balance. I. Want. To. Know. MORE!!

I know this sounds trite in retrospect, but I totally thought "Don" Harding was sketchy. He was too "cool" the way he talked to the boys, letting that one kid put a bong in the kiln. WTF? Plus? He'd been a bad guy on Angel. And CSI. SO, I didn't trust him.

How many of us called bad tidings on the Impala when Dean told Astronaut Boy he'd had enough candy? Hee. Poor Dean.

Okay, so now we get to the part of the show where I sat forward, arms tight around the pillow, and thought. Really, really thought. Not about the quality of the storytelling. Not about the beauty of JA. Or, at times, JP. (Sorry, Sam-girls.)

But about faith. About LIFE. About what I depend on to be true just to move through my day, and what I just take for granted. Seriously? A TV show did that. On a freakin' Thursday night. And they say you have to go to church to sit awhile with God. Heh.

I loved, loved Sam's child-like glee upon meeting Castiel. I felt goosebumps when Castiel shook his hand. And at the same time, my heart was literally breaking at the reality that was about to hit Sam in the face. He just... guh. That kid. I loved his "Oh my God! Oh, sorry..." He turned into a fangirl. *wrinkles nose with a grin*

So, a new player is in the mix. One Dean does NOT care for. And, quite frankly, neither do I. Which is fine. I think it's fantastic to have one of the *ahem* "good guys" be unlikable. Because then the gray is deeper and the struggle more painful and the line between right and wrong is so blurred you have to wonder at every step you take. GREAT storytelling, that.

We get the skinny on Samhain, find out that Uriel (love this dude's voice, btw) and Castiel are going to smite the town to make sure the seal isn't opened and the Samhain witch is dead, and Dean, my freakin' hero, steps up, puts himself and his brother between the angels and the town and says they'll have to go through the brothers if they want to kill the town.

I seriously got chills. Hey, corny or not, the look on Dean's face, the cut of his jaw, the determined edge to his eyes, and I was ready to join the fray. Sam's hurt, disillusioned "you're supposed to show mercy" continued to fracture my heart.

Oh, and here's something I noticed that I thought very well played and just subtle enough that it got under my skin. The stare-down between Dean and Castiel while Uriel and Sam were busy talking about smiting. Dean seemed unable to catch his breath. It was as if the angel was peeling Dean's walls away with his eyes and standing in awe at what he saw there.

The line that they had to "have faith in the plan" just because it came from heaven... that concept made me squirm. It's where I always have a human issue when it comes to faith. I suppose this makes me a cautious believer. I know there is a God. I believe it to be true. But to have faith that His way is right and His will is just and I should turn my worries over to Him... It makes me... anxious and doubtful.

Probably the best conversation between the brothers thus far in the season (for me) is the one in the Impala on their way to get the witch before the angels got about smiting things. Dean for my money was the epitome of Big Brother.

Sam's broken-hearted question of "This is God? This is what I've been praying to?" just scooped out my biggest fear and splashed it across TV for all to see. But Dean? The previous non-believer. The Doubting Thomas of the duo says that a few rotten apples doesn't mean the whole group is bad. For all they know, God hates these jerks. Don't give up on the stuff.

Best line? "Babe Ruth was a d*ck, but baseball is still a beautiful game."

He needs Sam to believe. He needs it for himself, and he needs it for Sam. He needs Sam to not lose sight of the good because he knows his little brother could so easily slip into the bad. Without even realizing that he was sitting in darkness. Dean needs Sam to believe.

Okay, the children's bones in "Don"'s desk? Creepy. I don't even want to think about how they got there. But yay boys for figuring out the teacher was involved. Just... too bad you thought it was only one witch.

The angels' mysterious conversation about their "true" orders had me tilting my head and cursing commercials. I'm so glad we got a resolution to that.

Okay, the deal with the brother/sister witch team waiting 600 years to bring about Samhain. Interesting. The cheerleader witch blowing the boys back bad enough that they were BOTH gasping in pain? Toe curling. Sam being smart enough to "give it a shot" and put bloody masks on their faces to hide from Samhain? Brilliant. (Not to mention, I liked that he spread it on Dean's face, too. Don't ask me why. I don't want to go there.)

So... was Samhain like... near-sighted or something? He was blurry-eyed the whole time and the kids in their costumes were able to stay safe. *shrugs* Not important, I guess.

When Sam broached the subject that the demon was powerful and they may need more than Ruby's knife, I knew he was going to find a way to use his powers, despite Dean's "please." Then, the nicely foreshadowed mausoleum party, the dead rising, the kid dying bloody... you could safely say I was now in my Ball of Worry.

When they separate, I think I said "oh, no" out loud. This could only end in tears. Mine, quite possibly.

Dean facing down zombies and ghosts, getting slammed against the wall, quipping out the "burn 'em all" one-liners was classic. But what was actually really scary? Sam seeking out Samhain.

This isn't our little brother Sammy anymore. Those four months without his brother, his coming to terms with what he could do and how, his using those powers, it changed him in ways that he's only just accepting and Dean is having more than a hard time wrapping his mind around. As evidenced by their locations at the end.

Sam's still not that great at hand-to-hand, but the kid was holding his own. Even tried the knife once, but when it became obvious that he was about to be chum for this ancient demon, he pulled out the Force. Only this time, he was up against something wicked powerful, and we saw the strain it had on him. The pain in his head, the bloody nose, the gasps and the trembling.

And just before he vanquishes Samhain, Dean appears, sees what his brother is doing, and I couldn't help it, but a line from Serenity popped into my head. "Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!"

Sam looked at Dean with a "please don't hate me... I had to" expression while Dean looked back with a "Aw, God, Sammy... what have you done... and how the hell am I gonna save you now?"

The end, with Sam in the hotel room packing, and Dean sitting on the park bench, decompressing, spoke deeper volumes about their pain and their struggle to come to terms with this new life than any Impala-induced conversation could have. These two are hurting big. And they're scared. And they don't know how to come together. And they don't know how to be apart.

How many of us have been there, huh? Maybe not on such a cosmic, end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it level, but still. You love them too much to leave them, but you don't know how to be in the same room with them unless something changes and you're scared to death of what that change will be and have no idea how to instigate it and you just want to go back to the way things were, but you know you can't because life doesn't allow do-overs and so you have to fix it...

Until Uriel pointed it out to Sam, I hadn't really picked up on the fact that Halloween was so close to Nov 2nd -- I mean calendar-wise, sure. I'm not an idiot. But I'd forgotten what Nov 2nd would mean to our boys. Uriel's reminder was like a slice on Sam's heart. And his warning was terrifying. Sam uses his powers again -- or becomes... what was it? "More trouble than you're worth"... Uriel will turn him to dust.

And then... the line that will have my teeth grinding until Kripke shows us his hand. Dean needs to "get down off his high horse" and Sam should ask his brother what he remembers from hell.

And all this time I pictured Dean a victim. Or perhaps a virtuous crusader against the demons that tore him apart. But... maybe... Sam's not the only one struggling with darkness. Maybe we have a dark side to see from the one who is on a mission from God. *is VASTLY intrigued*

Castiel's admission that their orders were to do whatever Dean said? Fascinating. "It was a witch, not the Tet Offensive." HEE! I love this guy.

Dean thinks he failed the "field test" ... and his line about making the same call... that all those kids and all the peace in the playground before them was still there because of what "my brother and me did"... that one line told me all I needed to know.

Dean is scared for Sam, sure. He doesn't understand a lot -- especially about Sam's powers and what these powerful beings that have a sudden interest in them are up to. But Sam is his brother. Plain and simple. He spent his entire life taking care of that kid. He gave his life for his brother. No tainted blood, no angel, no Force-using or demon-pal is going to get in the way of that. This town was alive because of BOTH of them. Powers or no powers. *claps* Way to go, Dean.

Castiel's quiet admission that he has doubts, and that failure meant hell on earth, and Dean of all people should know what that meant, made me really, really like that character. I mean, sure he's easy on the eyes, but after that, I felt drawn to him.

This assignment, these brothers, Dean, was starting to humanize the angel. He scolded Uriel for the insulting "mud monkey" term, calling it close to blasphemy. I liked that. As humans were made in God's image and all. I also liked how he said that people were "his father's creation."

I can't explain why I like that yet doubt faith. I simply can't. But I did like that. As much as I liked Castiel admitting that he didn't envy the weight on Dean's shoulders.

Not that carrying such a weight is any different than Dean's been asked to do his whole life. Not that it's much different from his father's order to save or kill his brother. Not that it's different from living a year with Hellhounds on his tail. Not that it's different from raising his brother.

Yet... it is. Everything is different now. There are questions peppered throughout the characters, and the fans, and all we can do is wait.

This show made me appreciate storytelling. It made me fall in love with it again. And I know that a story as epic as the one being played out before us can't be told in the space of an evening. I know we all have to be patient.

And, to echo Bobby, I feel a storm coming. With our boys right in the middle.

That's all I got tonight. Suffice it to say that the players were on their A-game as always. Jensen shifted seamlessly between little-boy on a candy-high to warrior protecting the innocent to Big Brother with a broken heart to soldier shouldering the burden of the generals. I am forever amazed by the quality of that man's acting and his ability to simply make me believe. No matter what.

Plus? His eyes? Make me melt.

Jared really got to me in this one as well. He is portraying Sam's internal struggle, confusion, search for his place in this world with such sincerity that I ache for him. I want to push him behind me so he can hide. 'Course... I pretty much come up to his elbow, so that is a bad idea... but you get my meaning. I was more encouraged about his inevitable salvation than I have been in any of the previous ones. His eyes came alive. They'd been so vacant until now. With the one exception of hugging his brother in the premiere, he was just... hard. Too hard for our Sam.

Thanks for reading the ramble. Hope to "see" you next week.

Slainte.
 
 


Comments

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[info]lovinjackson wrote:
Oct. 31st, 2008 03:47 am (UTC)
So comments about last week got to you too huh? I stay away from the boards to avoid it because i know people have their own opinions and I respect that .. but seriously? I keep away from them but some how my mother ended up on them and was reading me some comments ... and I wont go on about it.

I dont know when I will see this episode but I had to comment now because I always feel like Im watching when you write and I always appreciate your view on things and thanks for posting now so I at least have something to tide me over. Religeion always gives me a headache but at least I like Castiel now and I cant wait to see Sam fangirly with him.

The depth of this show and how the actors portray it i beleieve doesnt allow anything other than complete obsession. They do make us believe ... especially Jensen ... I'm in awe every week and appreciate the meanings behind each epside and each even so much coz they are shown so well. This show really is amazing isnt it. Can NOT WAIT!!! wish me luck that it doesnt take all night for me :) *hugs*
[info]gaelicspirit wrote:
Nov. 3rd, 2008 02:19 am (UTC)
Yeah, I stayed away from boards this time around. I don't know why I felt compelled last week to check them out. Silly me. But now I only go here, post my blog on TVGuide.com, and read "Crossroads" over on ff.net. I don't know... could be that I am limiting myself a broad spectrum of thoughts, but I see it more as protecting my psyche. :)

I loved your write up, btw. Since LJ ate it. I said that I thought one of my favorite parts (aside from the Big Brother talk in the Impala and Dean + Candy) was Sam spreading the blood on Dean's face. Touching him to take care of him.

It was nice to see.
[info]jackfan2 wrote:
Oct. 31st, 2008 10:43 am (UTC)
Well, for me, the most negative issues have come from the uber-Sam-fans. They're driving me nutters. They are so harsh with Dean and I am rather sick of their attitude.

That attitude has interpreted Dean's gaze at Sam, as he watdhed Sam use his powers to exorcise Samhain, as supreme disappointment.

Now, in Metamorphosis, the supremacy of that disappointment was palpable, but not so here. See, I think Jensen is better at ranging his physical emotions and we rarely see the same one twice.

No, what I saw in Dean's gaze was saddness. Sad that Sam had been put in that situation in the first place. Saddness that Dean hadn't been there to possibly help. Saddness that fate seems to be against his brother's succession in beating this destiny that's looming over him, actually, over them both. Saddness and fear, as you put it, over how Dean's going to save Sam after that.

I guess we'll never know for sure, but some a bit better at feeling Jensen's ability to play a more sympathetic Dean, that person *hint hint* needs to step in and write a missing scene after that battle. Dean helping Sam back to their room coz Sam's physically zapped after using his powers over someone so powerful. Just Dean being the big brother that we know him to be. Redeem him in the way we know he should be.

I loved this episode. It was so damn good seeing Dean and Sam working TOGETHER on something, rather than being, if not physically, but ideologically on opposite sides.

I loved how Dean came in to bandage Sam's wounded vision of the views he long held of Angels and God. I loved how Dean stood beside Sam when Uriel snapped at Sam. I loved how they worked this case together! Loved it.

This episode had great bad guys and all around great acting. It was written by someone I'd not yet heard of in the Supernatural stable of writers and SHE hit this one out of the park. I think her first name was Julie... *preens* and that happens to be mine!

I loved that end scene between Sam and Uriel. God.. that was amazing. As well as the end scene between Dean and Castiel. All of it.. FULL. OF. AWESOME!

In truth, I'm telling all the negative nelly's to buz off. In Dean's words: Don't go away mad, just go away.

Oh, and I've rethought my thoughts about last weeks episode being Dean's Bad Day at Blackrock. Due to the hefty amount of angst at the end, and throughout, I'm thinking it was more like Dean's Mystery Spot. Humor with extreme angst and where Mystery Spot was all about breaking Sam down, Yellow Fever was all about deconstructing Dean.

You have a great day!
[info]gaelicspirit wrote:
Nov. 3rd, 2008 02:22 am (UTC)
I think I agree on the Mystery Spot/Yellow Fever comparison. :) Hee.

And I'm with you. I didn't see disappointment. I saw more of a "holy crap... NOW what am I gonna do?" And you're right. Sadness.

Congrats to Julie for the writing. Must be something in the name. :)

Hey -- did you get your name, JackFan2, from watching/liking Stargate? I haven't ever seen any of them -- the original or the spin-offs -- but a good friend of mine just went to a SG-1 con in Australia and wrote up her experience on her LJ. You might know her -- LovinJackson?

Just saw a coincidence there. :)

"See" you next week, chica!
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[info]mtee wrote:
Oct. 31st, 2008 05:11 pm (UTC)
Know that the majority of fans are gushing about this season. It's always the vocal minority that brings the rest of us down. But we ignore them- maybe when we are feeling extra ornery, we take them on some.

My daughter told me -- you are obsessed over this show and I had to admit -- yes I am! Because there is so much to consider. There is no other show that has so many fans really analyzing what is happening, what it all means. Credit to Kripke for such a fabulous epic! Wouldn't you love to have this in print. To be able to keep on a shelf and re-live at your leisure. To savor the words, the images. Of course it would have to be a picture book, because the actors themselves lend so much to the storyline! One huge 5 season DVD -- running one ep into another!

But Gaelic is our voice of reason and the reason we can continue to enjoy despite those who just can't get past the little stuff.
[info]gaelicspirit wrote:
Nov. 3rd, 2008 02:25 am (UTC)
Heee... mtee you silly. *blush* Saying I'm a voice of reason... *giggles*

Wait'll I tell my husband...
[info]gaelicspirit wrote:
Nov. 3rd, 2008 02:24 am (UTC)
Hon, feel free to ramble away. I know I do. And I love to hear your thoughts. I worry for your take on things because I know you're not actually SEEING these... you're just getting it from whomever's blog/review you read. So, just know that if you want an emotional, rambley, hot-off-the-viewing take from someone who LOVES our boys (one more than the other, but hey, we can't all be bi-Texan), you'll always find that here.

>> I think I view the episodes themselves differently, because I spend so much time now thinking like Dean and Sam - does that make sense?

Heck yeah, it does. I'm right there with you!!! :) *HUGS*

Thanks for coming by. I watch for you, y'know. No pressure.

Take care of you and I'll "see" you next time.

Gaelic
[info]jackfan2 wrote:
Oct. 31st, 2008 11:07 am (UTC)
Oh, and wanted to tell you one other thing. I've decided to steer clear of all the message boards, and over here at LJ, if the review gets just the slightest negative, I bail.

There is nothing wrong with encouraging the squee inside you. I'm so friggin obsessed with this show too, and I want no rain on my parade. So I avoid all the message boards like the plague and just sit in my own little corner of the world and enjoy. Then I go to a friends house (or LJ) and read someone who shares my squee and I bask with them in awesomeness.

There is nothing at all with that, nor is there anything wrong with making a comment prior to your review that you want no negative comments about our show. :D
[info]mtee wrote:
Oct. 31st, 2008 05:13 pm (UTC)
The yahoogroup - The Supernatural on the WB is a good group. Very little " I can't stand this show anymore". We have a few - but the vast majority squee each and every week. Of course every ep has it's flaws and it's good to shed some light on it -- but you can't let it dampen the overall fun this show is!!

Plus we are nice and shallow and gush about those lips and green eyes and JP's dimples and the thoughts we have when we look at them!!
[info]gaelicspirit wrote:
Nov. 3rd, 2008 02:26 am (UTC)
"encouraging the squee inside of you"

Dude... I think that's my new favorite phrase. *writes it down*
[info]mymuseandi wrote:
Oct. 31st, 2008 02:08 pm (UTC)
Sam being smart enough to "give it a shot" and put bloody masks on their faces to hide from Samhain? Brilliant. (Not to mention, I liked that he spread it on Dean's face, too. Don't ask me why. I don't want to go there.)

This line has me giggling. Sometimes the feelings that those boys invoke in us had us going where we don't wanna go.

I love this eppy, and both Sam and Dean's reactions during the witch fight and consequently the demon hunt has me on edge.As with the stare between Dean and Castiel. I can literally feel the sparks, their chemistry is almost as amazing as Sam and Dean's.

One thing though, what was it about comments about last week's eppy? I'm not really up to date with this kinda stuff.
[info]gaelicspirit wrote:
Nov. 3rd, 2008 02:28 am (UTC)
Giggle away! I was grinning like an idiot when he did that... sigh...

Oh, the comments... not being up on it is a good thing. Let's just roll around in our enjoyment of the epi and not worry about whether Sam has more attention or Dean does, or if Dean's leaving Sam behind, or if Sam's betraying Dean, or if the ghost storyline didn't make sense, or if ... see what I mean?

Thanks for coming by, muse. I love to see you!
[info]mtee wrote:
Oct. 31st, 2008 05:05 pm (UTC)
off subject - but regarding your thoughts on giving your worries over to God -- my father has always practiced that -- me .. never could get what it means. But I finally figured out that for me, it means, when I have fears that I have no control over ( waiting on medical test results, flying!) - I need to just chill and say, ok, I can't do anything about this -- so I'll give it all to you. I will fight for whatever I can fight for -- take action when it's possible, but when I can't -- then I need to trust that You have this under control. But the big test is when you don't get the results your want, or your plane crashes and in that instance - you say "what??? This isn't what I thought You would do" and that's when true faith comes in. I can't say I'm there --the acceptance of the bad. Like the song says -- sometimes the answer is "no".

But as for SPN -- fabulous review as always. I am so psyched this season. There is so much going on - and I don't know which way they are taking us. I read so many metas and great theories -- it really gets me stoked! From Castiel is Christ to Sam is Lucifer to was John a fallen angel? Where is this going???

I wonder if Dean gave info while in Hell? IF they broke him in some manner. Not to say that's a weakness - how could you not???!! To get off your high horse, means to me, he did something that hurt someone -- he is not the champion he thinks And what will his reaction be when this memory comes back??? What if he wasn't as strong as he thinks - what if he brought about the death of an innocent because he broke??

Sam -- what a change -- he truly is a stronger man. I hurt for him - that innocent belief being ripped apart. I love that Dean tried so hard to bring some of that faith back.

Great casting, as usual.

thank you
[info]mtee wrote:
Oct. 31st, 2008 05:15 pm (UTC)
one more thing -- I like the way Dean says "my brother and me" -- letting Castiel know it was Sam's part that really destroyed Samhein. I just thought it was a nice phrasing - subtle. not me and my brother but MY BROTHER and me.

[info]gaelicspirit wrote:
Nov. 3rd, 2008 02:31 am (UTC)
You're welcome!

I liked your thoughts about faith... they got me thinking a bit more. Seems like I'm doing a lot of that these days. Especially with the baby girl in the mix. There's a lot more to risk and a lot more to protect. Y'know?

As far as Dean in hell... I'm all aflutter. I am dying -- DYING -- to know what happened to him. Did they break him? Did he really turn demon for a bit? Did he lead an uprising, or join the fray? Did he ever walk on earth and take a soul? Did he cry under torment, offering up secrets he'd never share with the other side? Did he curse his father, his brother, his mother? Did he curse God? Did he fight the demons on God's side?

Something had to happen to both a) give God a reason to have Castiel pull him out and give Castiel reason to say "he has potential" and b) give Uriel a reason to say that he had to get down off his high horse...

Both ways are just teasing the hell out of me. No pun intended.
[info]jazzyirish wrote:
Oct. 31st, 2008 07:42 pm (UTC)
I thought that last night's episode was really good. The new writer did a fabulous job. I chose not to comment on last week's fiasco because I thought it was poorly written and it didn't work for me at all. However, that's not to say that I didn't enjoy the more serious scenes with Dean and the last scene with both boys.

When Sam meets Castiel for the first time, he did act like a fanboy, didn't he? Unfortunately, his enthusiasm was quickly dashed. Did you notice how long it took Castiel to shake Sam's hand, and when he does, he mentions that Sam's "the boy with the demon blood". Ouch! I totally agree, and we know Dean did his absolute big brother best, but it is imperative that Sam doesn't turn against his faith, because to do so opens him up to evil. The discussion with Uriel at the end was really harsh too, so I don't think Sam is feeling all warm and fuzzy about angels right now. I really am scared for Sam at this point.

I really enjoyed seeing Dean's myriad of emotions in this episode - no one does it quite like Jensen. Like you, loved the far away look thinking about cheerleaders, his look of WTF when Sam says that he thought he'd give the mask idea a try, and that look of sadness and fear when Sam is exorcising such a powerful demon with his mind - and the toll it took on Sam. I think that Sam knew what he was up against (including the death ray), so he deliberately left his brother behind to protect him. What a shift we're getting this season.

I'm also wondering how much of Hell Dean does remember at this point. I think it may be more than a few flashes. I can't wait to see what Dean remembers and how Sam survived during the time Dean was gone. I hope Kripke has that in store for us.

I'm loving this season - the best so far in my opinion because of the complex issues being bandied about and the growth of character development. The only other show I was this passionate about was "The X-Files" - the mythology of course, but I do believe that this show has even surpassed that obsession - and that's saying something.

On a fun side note, the young actress who played the witch was a character for a few years on "Days of Our LIves" (leaving a year or two back). I wonder how it felt for her to work with Jensen who to this day, is considered to be one of the best actors ever on the soap even though he was only 19-21 when he was on Days. Lucky girl ;)
[info]gaelicspirit wrote:
Nov. 3rd, 2008 02:34 am (UTC)
Hey Irish! I've missed you. :)

How funny that you connected the cheerleader with Days! :) It's like... 6 degrees of Jensen Ackles! Hee.

I was like you -- totally into X-files. I was just destroyed when they pulled Mulder and inserted Doggett and Reyes. Blech. I was relieved when Mulder returned. Our show was never the same, but at least the snarky sarcasm and dead-panned subtle emoting was back.

And I wish Krychek had lasted longer. He was one hot bad guy.

I haven't seen the 2nd movie yet. I swear, you have a baby and things like movies are part of your past. But I intend to rent it when it's available. *pets Netflix*

I hope to see you again this week! Thanks for coming by and commenting. :)

Gaelic
[info]jazzyirish wrote:
Nov. 3rd, 2008 07:59 pm (UTC)
Yeah, Krychek was hot, wasn't he? The bad guy you loved to hate. And let's face it, without Mulder there is no X-Files. I have Seasons 1-8 on DVD and enjoy watching them from time to time.

I made an effort to see the new movie on the big screen, but was disappointed. Just my opinion, of course, but since my favorite part of the X-Files was the mythology, I didn't consider the movie to be as good as some of the show's two or three-parters. I even thought the Mulder/Scully connection was a little "off". Oh well.

See you later this week!
[info]jennygeee wrote:
Oct. 31st, 2008 08:07 pm (UTC)
I’m right with you Gaelic; this is the first show that I’ve ever been so involved with. When people criticise and episode I take it personally, like they’ve criticised my child or something!

I loved last weeks episode but I do wish we’d learnt a bit more of Dean’s time in hell but this week we found out that Dean is keeping something from Sam and I can’t wait to find out what it is.

I don’t go on the boards any more, well that’s actually a lie but I choose which posts I read and I’m not being brought down by the negative views on the minority.

When Sam met Castiel it was just like he was meeting a film star – he was awestruck – bless him!

When Sam used his powers to defeat Samhain – he didn’t have any choice – he had to do it, but I’m afraid for him – what damage has that struggle caused, the look on Dean’s face, I didn’t interpret that look as disappointment at all, I think Dean realised that Sam had not choice.

I need much more. I need this show to be 2 hours per episode, there is just so much more that needs to be explained – I can never get enough!
[info]gaelicspirit wrote:
Nov. 3rd, 2008 02:36 am (UTC)
Wouldn't it be flippin fantastic if we got a 2-hour special sometime?? There's another show I watch called "Fringe" and it limits commercial interruptions to 60 or 90 seconds. *dies* Why couldn't we get at least THAT?!

I think we need an SPN 2-hour finale at least. Let's petition! ;)

Thank you for coming by. I hope to see you next time!

Gaelic
(Anonymous) wrote:
Oct. 31st, 2008 10:58 pm (UTC)
Skim here too :-)

Came over to read your recap. I've missed our back and forth emails discussing. I have to admit when watching it that, certain scenes, or moments, I'm like, oohh, did GS see that? (which of course I know you did lol). What did she think about it? But I have to be content just hugging and sometimes sighing into the pillow I hold (and admittedly sometimes clutch) during the episodes. Hopefully after next Friday I'll be able to get back to actually writing out my episode thoughts and maybe even posting them back on the tvguide blog. We'll see I guess.

Anyway, I loved Dean's line about candy too. Perfect for him.

But hands down, the scene at the end with Dean and Castiel---man. I feel for Dean. Now he has even more responsibility--- and it is not like he didn't have a lot before! From what Castiel said, the fate of the world could be literally resting on his shoulders, based upon the decisions he will be forced to make. Gah! Can't wait to see how it plays out. I just hope that weight doesn't eventually break him, although I have enough faith in Dean to believe it won't, because Dean won't break down, he can't break down. Just worried about him worrying about Sam (not like he's not used to that), but with the potentially (negative?) ramifications from being in hell, plus this added responsibility.... definitely feel another paper coming on.... if only I had the time!

Not to mention that it's simply amazing how Jensen Ackles is able to portray Dean's character so, so perfectly. Man.

One last thought--- in that end scene with Dean and Castiel, I was also thinking how appropriate it is that Dean has this responsibility, that he's sort of more on the good side (if that makes sense) than Sam. If you'd asked me something about which one of the boys would be in this spot when the show first started--- I probably would have said Sam, he seemed more pure, more do-gooder, etc. But as we've seen Dean evolve throughout the show-- there is no question that he is the right person for the job. Man, thinking back to the paper again. Guess it's not really that much of a different thought than above, but oh well. My mind was rambling I guess.

Also--I know this is about the last week's episode (about fear)---- but how awesome was that extra thrown in at the end? When the hands were doing the air drum in the Impala in the beginning, I was like, what? What is this? And then the rest was just amazing.

Not to mention the part (well all the parts) where Dean was afraid in that episode? It was a bit disconcerting to see him like that, I mean, to me, Dean doesn't get scared--- not about stuff like that (only about something happening to Sam or his family). The part where he just wanted to take the flashlight in? Man. And then screaming at the cat? Was it me, or did it seem like when he said he was alright, Jensen was trying not to laugh? And that when Sam brushed past him out of the room right after, that Jared was trying to keep a straight face? Man, that made me smile. And chuckle.

But, as fun as it is thinking about SPN episodes and analyzing our boys, gotta get back to studying. :( Awful, I know. On a Friday night (Halloween no less!), but sometimes that's just the way the cookie crumbles.

Take care and talk to you again soon!

Skim :-)
[info]looselyspeaking wrote:
Nov. 3rd, 2008 07:42 am (UTC)
I've saved this weeks eppy till this morning as my son was home from Army training for a long weekend and I knew when he went back I'd feel down and low and SPN would help to cheer me up. Seven more weeks before I see him again :(

But back to the eppy. I really enjoyed this one, haha I always enjoy them don't I? I agree with the way you describe how Sam's character is being changed over the weeks and I quite like it. It makes sense that he would have to toughen up. I used to squeel when Sam went off on his own, but now I half know he's able to handle things and in the same breath that also makes me very scared.

Castiel is fab. He has a worn out look which is very appealling and if that wasn't enough he has gorgeous eyes and even the Colombo reject mac has its place, on him. Uriel I saw as more one of Gods possible bad guys. He obviously enjoys his job way too much and that, for me, was a little unnerving.

Darn, just seen the time, work beckons. On a quick last note about obsession for these programmes. Years back I was addicted to the X-files and used to drive over to my sisters regular as clockwork to pick up that nights eppy, she had cable you see and we didn't and it was way before the good old internet and downloading days. And then, joy of joys, cable hit our town and no more obsessive drives over. (Other than to see her of course!!)

Okay, gotta run, thanks for your thoughts again, Gaelic as always its like rewatching the eppy with added insight.

Have a good day. Jane :)
[info]gaelicspirit wrote:
Nov. 6th, 2008 12:35 am (UTC)
Awww, Jane. *hugs you* I know you're going to miss him. I will keep him in my prayers for protection and a safe return.

As for the epi... squee!! It's almost Thursday yet again and I am just... yeah. Excited. No matter what they're about, the epi's include our boys and, well, YAY!

Take care of you.
[info]roweenac wrote:
Nov. 11th, 2008 09:14 am (UTC)
part I
Hey GS. So, I am done with this one too. Loved that episode for pretty much the same reasons you put forward here plus the fact I got to watch it with the UnGen-UK girls in Wales on a freaking beamer!!!!!! Life-size Dean eyes, bum and lips and muscles.... *goes to fetch her new customized drool bucket she got from those same girls as a present*

Phew. Where to start? I feel a really long comment making its way from my mind to the finger tips...

Sam first. Yeah him, cos he so impressed me in this episode. The whole angel situation in the motel room had me gasping for breath. The hopeful look on his face when he reached out to shake Cass's hand? I screamed inwardly to the angel to SHAKE IT!!!! Couldn't have lived through witnessing if Cass hadn't. Sam woulda been heart-broken. Then when he fought against Samhain I had another heart-skips-several-beats moment. Did you see his eyes when he pulled on his full Force? Is it just me or did his eyes actually turn inky black for a moment there? Might be over-interpreting and he doesn't have those large round eyes *drools a little* Dean has but I really think they did turn black. Hm. I actually do have some really sinster assumptions lately... well, they have been written already (on my page). So, not gonna go there again.

When the boys separated I feared for Sam, more than for Dean. Which I usually don't as Dean is my hero. But Sam is much more in danger of slipping lately. He and his obsessiveness. Makes me think about Mystery Spot when he turned into that robot!Sam. No feelings just obsession. He got that from John I think. Sometimes he just overdoes his job. And with the demonic abilities he is in danger of using them too often to be saved from perdition (aaaah, no angel on his shoulder to pull him from there). I loved Dean's snark in the mausoleum too. And that scene with the soaped or smeared car? "Astronaut?!!" Heeheeeeee. Dean and the Impala. Love it!
Which takes me to that greeneyed handsome badass man. Love him. Every inch. And I thank Jensen every week for being such a perfect, sophisticated, skilled (could go on for ages here) actor. God knows where I would have been now if I hadn't given SN a second chance in February, God only knows. This whole show changed my life. Real fan-girl thing to say. But it is the truth.
OK. DEAN. The things he has been up to while in hell are very intriguing indeed. To think that he "only" suffered torture beyond measure is too little of an appreciation of his warrior character. Of course Dean would fight until death (I know you can't die twice, just figuratively speakin!). And what if he rose against the demons in a way even they didn't expect him to do? What if some actions in hell made him worthy of being rescued? Maybe that's why even archangels (HOLY MOTHER!!!) answer to his command now. However, saying this, I don't really know if he did "good" things there. What if he was compelled to inflict torture on others and tried to fight it? What if those are the screams he hears? Voices of other souls being tortured? Awh, no. I don't really want to believe this but on this show, everything is possible. Even to come back from hell after 4 months. Even Jesus only had 3 days to come back from the dead. ( I know, close to blasphemy. Thanks for reminding me, Cass!) ARGH. I can't wait to hear about it. CAN'T.

Faith. Well, to doubt means to really think about something and not to go the easy path. Those who doubt (and you're in good and very celestial company, cf. Castiel) really believe, I think. You have to develop and evolve into a true believer. And doubting makes it harder but truer. (There I go again, me and my sermons!)


End of part I
[info]roweenac wrote:
Nov. 11th, 2008 09:16 am (UTC)
part II
part II

Hadda break it up. Too much of a babble... damn. I am a writer, I don't do short!

Samhain... Well, I really like the celtic lore and have read a lot about this. They did a good job. Only that Samhain was a celtic/gaelic (*chuckles*) god rather than a demon. The druids celebrated the end of harvest ( I guess) and this night was the only one when spirits of the dead walked the earth again to reconnect with their families. The veil between this and the otherworld are thinnest on that night... (*shivers*)
And Sam did the right thing to mask himself and Dean with the blood. Samhain is only able to see REAL human faces. Hence all the masks. And as blood was the only thing available: WAY TO GO SAM, geek-boy that you are! I guess you start relating to Sam (the whole faith discussion in the Impala might be responsible for that!) and that is why you liked him smearing the blood on Dean's face. Wished it was your hand? Well, I sure did. And then, there is something dark and sexy in a blood-smeared Dean, isn't there? yummmmmmy.
I know, I am a sick, smutty puppy.

Guess, that's it. Thanks again for sharing. Loves ya, Ilka
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