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Stream of Consciousness, Episode 5.02

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WAR! What is it good for? Absolutely nothin’. Huh! Say it again…

Goodness these boys have untapped resources when it comes to twisting us up and leaving us in pieces. And meanwhile, we’re treated to a fantastically entertaining story.

 

Ya’ll… this episode rocked me. And I mean that in the holy-crap-that-was-unbelievable way as well as the I-can’t-believe-that-just-happened way.

 

Before I get to it, I wanted to say to anyone reading this review on LiveJournal (as opposed to SFO.com), the comments that are shared hold some of amazing thought processes and insight. For the premiere, I was beyond thrilled by what ya’ll brought to the table. Thank you for that!

Also? Through this fandom and the genre that is fanfic, I have been blessed with a number of wonderful friends. One such friend is visiting me this weekend from CA with her young daughter. We had to basically wear our girls out and get them to sleep before we were able to watch the boys, so I saw this episode after it actually aired and was able to cut out all the annoying CW commercials. Dude, if I could wait that long every week (not!) it would be worth it just to spare myself some Gossip Girl…

But let’s get on with it, shall we?

We get TWO classic rock songs in this episode, staring with Foreigner’s “Long, Long Way From Home” for the recap. And how fitting for the arch of this episode. Because for our boys, home is an enigma. I know this season is going to polarize many of the fandom, but I am really connecting with how things are playing out. The breadcrumbs they’re leaving us are going to lead to something Big.

We begin at the hospital and Bobby sitting in a blue robe staring out a window, trapped in a wheelchair. Sam is in the doorway, watching him with a melancholy look on his face. I was struck by how small Bobby appeared. Despite the boys’ visits, he’s become bitter and silent. Apparently hasn’t spoken in three days. Dean joins Sam at the doorway making quips as is his habit, but Sam says that they may have to wrap their heads around the possibility that Bobby might not just bounce back.

Dean swiftly changes the subject—apparently not ready to accept that fact—and shows Sam an x-ray of his chest with the Enochian symbols carved into his ribs. Very cool. Says Sam has one to match. And then… Cas calls Sam on his cell. Sorry, but I had to laugh at that. Angel on the cell. HA! ‘Course it’s because they’re hidden from all angels—including Cas.

Bobby wants him to get on with the healing, but Cas reveals that he can’t heal Bobby. He’s cut off from Heaven. He can do some things, but… he can’t help. Bobby is going to have to either live with life in a wheelchair, or heal. And I’m sorry, but I’m still not sure why Bobby can’t walk. I’ve only seen the premiere twice now, but I swear he stabbed himself in his abdomen. Could it be from blood loss? I wish they would have explained that better…

Anyway, even though Bobby’s talking now, he’s grumpy as hell and is demanding to know why Cas decided to grace them with his presence. And what follows is one of three fantastic scenes in this episode. Cas declares that he’s going to look for God.

“I’m gonna find God.”

The way he says it… it’s so calm. Puts a whole new spin on “finding Jesus.” Dean, however, reacts strongly to this. He’s not even sure if there IS a God. He’s sarcastic and snarky, saying that God’s sipping liquor out of coconuts, kicking back while everyone’s suffering. Tells Cas that God’s down in Mexico on a tortilla.

“He’s not on any flatbread…” Heh.

Cas shuts Dean up, however by stating that this isn’t a theological issue, it’s a strategic one. For Cas, philosophizing about the existence of God is pointless now. There are demons. There are angels. There is a God. Deal with it. He doesn’t have time for Dean’s doubt and comes at him with an impassioned reminder that he has killed two angels this week—his brothers—and has been turned out of Heaven, giving up everything… for Dean.

“I lost everything, for nothing, so keep your opinions to yourself.”

There is so much room in this argument to sink hooks into a statement and argue one way or the other, but his fervor quiets Dean enough for Bobby to step in and ask again what Cas was doing here. Cas says he’s looking for an amulet. Once that burns hot in God’s presence. Sam speaks up, “Kind of a God EMF?”

Exactly.

Bobby says that he doesn’t have anything like that. Cas says he knows, then looks pointedly at Dean. As realization crosses Dean’s face, I literally yelled out loud to my TV, “HOLY CRAP!” I never saw that coming. I love it when that happens! Okay, so two major things here—Bobby DID have the amulet at one time, but gave it to Sam to give to his father as a Christmas present. SO, John was to have been the original recipient of the God EMF amulet as well as the righteous man to have broken the first seal in Hell.

But he was neither. Both fell to Dean. I’m going to have to ponder the deeper meaning there for a bit because I know it’s gotta be there. If Kripke held on to the story behind the amulet all this time, there has to be a deeper meaning behind what was to have been John’s duty is now Dean’s. Plus, if I weren’t so tired, I’m sure I could find a connection between Dean being Michael’s sword and having the amulet. I’ll come back to that at some point—probably in the comments.

The other major thing… the look on Dean’s face. I was speaking to my friend about the draw of Jensen—how completely he embodies this character. How he is able to go from stone-face to destroyed with just a quicksilver flash of pain in his eyes. When his lips go from flat to pursed. Or when he squares up his jaw with a hard swallow. His expression in the moment he realized what Cas was asking for sucked the air from me.

You’ve got to be kidding me.

But… it’s mine.

Sammy gave it to me.

I’ve had it all this time.

It’s the only thing I have that’s from Sam.

I don’t want to let it go.

I have to let it go.

I love how Dean took it off, but withheld it momentarily with a, “Don’t lose it.” His muttered, “Now I feel naked” was adorable. I have a few friends that would feel the same way about a particular piece of jewelry. I’m that way with my wedding ring. When its meaning is more than its appearance. When it’s become a part of you. The shadows and planes of Dean’s face as he turned away had me rubbing my suddenly aching heart.

Still. HOLY. CRAP. I am still floored by that.

Cas is gone in a whisper of wings, which is apparently a skill he hasn’t lost from his Heavenly shunning. And moments later, it seems, Bobby gets a call from Rufus (hello, Captain Fuller!) who is calling him on a sat phone. Rufus is hauling a wounded kid behind a car, firing out at an unseen foe, yelling to Bobby that demons have taken over River Pass, CO. Doh!

The guys head out, and I thought it was nice that they could use actual shots of Vancouver to stand in for CO. Beautiful. They’re stopped by a collapsed bridge and my first thought was, “At least the Impala will be safe.” Turns out that sentiment was rather accurate… no one got out of this fight unscathed. Sam discovers that there’s no cell phone reception. And then… we get “Spirit in the Sky.” HA! I love that song. It always makes me think of Apollo 13, though.

So, we have the boys walking down the ruined street with overturned cars, guns out at the ready, checking for bodies. It’s very 28 Days Later. Reminded me a lot of when Cillian Murphy’s character first wakes and is walking around abandoned London and the car alarm scares the ever-lovin’ CRAP out of him. And me. Sam finds a radio on in a Caddy, turns it off. Dean walks past a sweet red Mustang and he and I whistle at the same time. I like Mustangs. As Ponyboy said in The Outsiders, “They’re tuff.”

My only quibble with this part was that I actually looked at the promo shots and there was an amazing one with Dean and Sam in T-shirts, holding guns, looking like they’d walked off the set of The Terminator and I fell a little bit more in love with Dean. And his arms. And they didn’t have that moment in the episode.

But I digress.

The surreal quality of the moment fades quickly when we see a baby stroller butt up against the wheel of a car with a hole in the windshield and blood everywhere. Chilling. Before they can do much more than exchange grim looks, Ellen Harvelle appears behind them. She tosses Holy Water at them, soaking Dean (who closes his eyes and pulls his lips in almost exactly the same as he did when Bobby greeted him after he climbed out of Hell).

After confirming that they are indeed them, she pulls them inside to safety, hugs Dean, then slaps him, then scolds him. She is friggin’ awesome, man. She reacts just the way a woman, a mother, would react. A very don’t you scare me like that again reaction. I loved it. She tells Dean to put her on speed dial, and knowing when he’s beat, Dean nods submissively with a, “Yes, ma’am.” Atta boy.

Ellen takes them into the basement of a church where a rag-tag band of survivors are holed up (including the token pregnant woman). Ellen reveals that she’s been hunting with Jo (interesting) and that there used to be 20 survivors and now there are about… oh, 10, maybe. Everyone else is dead or demonized. The boys want to get them out of there. They speak quickly about how—Sam suggests arming everyone. To which Dean isn’t so sure.

“You gonna arm up baby bump over here?”

Eventually, though, Dean agrees and they leave Ellen with the survivors to go get the guns, salt, etc. Dean wants Sam to stay, says he can do it on his own. Sam riles at this, saying that Dean just doesn’t want him around demons. Well, yeah, Sam. He doesn’t. But that sad part—the really, really sad part—is that Dean’s reticence to allow Sam to step out into danger used to be because he was protecting Sam… and now it’s because he doesn’t trust him.

But, really, under it all, the protection trigger is still there. He doesn’t trust that Sam won’t find a way to get his powers back, or get demon blood, or something to that effect. He’s afraid that will happen—because if it does, he’ll lose Sam. Maybe this time forever. He won’t be able to protect Sam from himself. He wasn’t able to do it before. That is a crapload of fear to be constantly carrying around. It’s a wonder Dean ever sleeps.

They split up, Sam snapping that they could at least be professionals about this, and Sam goes into a general store to get salt while Dean goes to get guns.

And you know, as I think about it, Sam’s “at least we can do this like professionals” remark was very telling. He’s struggling. Every minute. He’s in the background now—both figuratively and literally. Thinking back to the scene in Bobby’s hospital room, even. He was behind Dean, blurred out. This fight that they’re in now may be because of choices he made, but Dean’s the one center stage, a walking Excalibur. That has to be hard to swallow after harnessing so much power. After thinking he was doing it for the greater good. After having such good intentions. My heart aches for Sam.

Okay, back to the general store. As Sam’s getting salt, in walk two teenaged demons. Sam tries to get his shotgun quietly, but yeah, that didn’t work. So it’s hand-to-hand and Sam’s built up some skillz. He fights back and starts Latinating, then stabs one then the other with Ruby’s knife and they fall to the floor in a bloody mess.

Only—and I just realized this while reliving it in my head—there was no sparking, demon-dying, light show. I totally missed it the first time. And, apparently, so did Sam. Because he was so captured by the sight (and probably smell) of the “demon” blood on the floor and dripping from the knife. So much so that he caught a drop on his thumb and stared at it. So much so that when Dean burst in and found him, Sam looked guilt-ridden.

And Dean? Every ounce of thank God you’re okay or nice going that may have come out before was pulled in and locked tightly behind a stony expression. In that moment, I saw the ending to this episode. I saw what was inevitable. And for some reason, I understood it. I accepted it. But that expression, that detached regard for the kid he raised, gave me a familiar pit in my stomach.

Back at the church, it’s Shotgun 101. Ellen is showing “Roger” how to load a shotgun and he was failing. Horribly. Sam is with another group and Dean hands a weapon to a young twenty-something guy, asking him if he knew anything about weapons. The kid breaks down the gun in about 5 seconds and Dean presses his lips out thoughtfully saying, “Where’d you serve?”

I loved that.

Soldier Boy replies that he did two tours in Fullugia (Iraq?), then says, “Takes one to know one. Where’d you serve?”

Dean replies, totally straight-faced, “Hell.”

Soldier boy is like, yeah, I get that. But seriously, where.

Dean’s reply? “Hell.” Yeah, no battle ground like ground zero, pal.

In a (very brief) nice moment as the townsfolk are learning their weapons, Dean sees Sam sitting off to the side and goes over to drop down beside him with a very normal, very brotherly, “Hey.”

Sam is a bit like the old Sam as he laments having to slit the throats of teenagers because they were demons. Revisiting this scene in my head after knowing the end, I am gutted. Sam had to have been gutted. He killed two people—two kids. Not demons, kids. He simply wishes he could save some people again. Dean’s bitter, “You mean when you were all hopped up on demon blood” wasn’t quite fair, I thought. Sam saved people before the demon blood.

Maybe that’s all he was thinking. He just wanted to go back to a simpler time—saving people, hunting things. But Dean’s still raw over the actions of the last year and isn’t ready to give Sam a break, apparently. Because when Ellen wants to go out looking for Jo and Sam volunteers to go with, Dean wants him to stay back. Away. Safe.

Sam chafes again under this, angry at Dean’s assumption that he’ll go demon after everything that happened. “As if I haven’t learned my lesson…”

“Have you?”

When Sam shoved Dean back against the wall, it was almost Force-enhanced. Dean flinches, but doesn’t retaliate. But the tension is knife-cutting thick.

And I don’t know what they’re doing with the lighting this season, but the way the shadows hit the guys’ faces is arresting.

Sam wins the argument and he and Ellen are heading down the street, Ellen wanting to know what gives. She wonders if a girl came between them. I had to laugh at the irony of that. Because, yeah, kinda. From a certain point of view. They see smoke from a chimney, duck and cover and Sam wonders aloud that demons don’t get cold (didn’t think about that!) and is wondering what they’re burning.

And then the most confusing fight ever. Seriously, this was a WTH?? Moment if there ever was one. Sam and Ellen are attacked by a townsfolk, Jo, and Rufus. Jo has black eyes, but calls Ellen a “black-eyed-bitch”… Ellen gets away, but Rufus clocks Sam a good one. This is what I mean by good storytelling. If you aren’t spoiled, stuff like this comes at you and you’re so tangled up in it you are dying to find your way free of the maze, but while you wander you pick up some juicy tid-bits that you can carry with you into subsequent mazes.

It’s fantastic.

For a moment during the fight, I got worried about Dean—it was like Bizarro world and everything was backwards. Was he back in the church with the real demons??? But no… no, it was worse than that. Much, much worse. Sam is tied to a chair, facing off black-eyed Rufus and Jo… who are throwing holy water on him, pouring salt down his throat while he’s begging them to stop, please, stop. He’s under a Devil’s Trap. And Rufus and Jo look confused. Then… you see it from their POV… and SAM’S eyes are black.

Just before we cut back to Dean, we see a glimpse of “Roger” in the doorway, twisting his ring. Um… okay.

Back at the church, Ellen returns sans Sam and when Dean demands to know where he is, she shakes her head. Dean’s instinct is to head out after his brother. He grabs up his gun, heads for the door and stops. It’s as if an invisible hand wraps around him, squeezing his body in its fist. The decision to stay behind and protect the townsfolk—to make that decision—rather than go after Sam was excruciating. But it was the right thing to do. It didn’t matter what his heart screamed, what his soul demanded. He knew, in his head, that he had to protect the innocent people.

The greater good demands sacrifices that not everyone is strong enough to make. Prior to Sam’s choosing Ruby over Dean, before that fight, Dean would have left in a heartbeat to get Sam. Townsfolk be damned. They’d just figure out a way to save them together. But… it’s different now.

Ellen and Dean start to hash out what happened. Dean wants to call Bobby or Sam for help. The only two people he’s ever trusted. But they can’t do that, so they have to figure it out. Ellen lays the facts on the table and Dean’s eyes dart in thought. They start to ask the townsfolk about what happened before it was Demonville and they’re told about the river running polluted suddenly the same day a falling star was seen. Dean knows that’s important, but dismisses Soldier Boy’s alien reference with a, “This ain’t X-files, pal.” Heh.

And then Dean does my heart good. He gets up and pulls a Bible from the shelf, flipping to Revelations 8:10. The star, Wormwood, is a prelude to the Four Horseman. See, here I find this so interesting. Dean’s rant earlier to Cas about God, about if there even was a God… he’s neck-deep in God. The Bible may simply be a source for him—just like any other book that they use for research, as important as any book Bobby has. But Dean knew right where to look. I just… I find that really interesting with his character’s journey.

He’s always been a “believe what you see” kind of guy. Didn’t believe in angels until he met Cas. Doesn’t believe in God (yet). But now he’s stuck in a situation that is exactly opposite. He can’t believe what he sees. If he believes what he sees it could get him killed. What might that realization, the absorption of information mean for his relationship with his brother down the road?

Dean puts together the first of the Four Horseman is WAR (hence the name of the episode), and that he rode in on a red Mustang. Okay, I know he’s evil and all, but that? Is a little awesome. Soldier Boy is like, really? And Dean’s reply is predictably, “That’s how I’d role.”

So, they put together that there weren’t any demons. The townsfolk (and Sam, Rufus, Ellen, and Jo—because Dean hasn’t killed anyone) were just killing each other. For nothing.

Back at the… wherever Sam is, “Roger” has found his way in to the room where Sam’s tied up and is arrogantly confronting him about how he’s waiting to hook up with his sibs and they’re going to have a great time with the violent human race.

“People don’t need a reason to kill each other. Have you seen the Irish? They’re all… Irish.”

Guh. It’s true. We have the capacity to be so evil to one another. But… we also have the capacity to be so good. That’s the thing that has to save humanity in this fight. That we care for each other like no other being created. WAR continues that he’s simply removing inhibitions and tells Sam to, “Save your protests for your brother.”

He sees into Sam’s head and sees the bloodlust. The lust for power. Doesn’t matter what Sam thinks he wants to use the power for. “Good intentions, quick slide to Hell.”

It’s funny to me that the bad guy’s mocking is the thing that makes Sam get honest with himself. Not funny ‘ha ha.’ Interesting funny.

“Roger” fakes Sam hurting him, calls Jo and Rufus in and claims that Sam has said “they’re coming.” Why Jo and Rufus don’t question how and why the hell this guy is in with their allegedly demonic prisoner, I don’t know, but instead, Rufus punches Sam and knocks him out. “Roger” heads back to the church and says that the demons are coming for them. Dean’s all “slow your roll” and is trying to calm the now panicking people.

He’s suspicious of “Roger” and “Roger” picks up on that, twisting his ring and claiming that Dean and Ellen are demons. And the townsfolk—that they just armed, mind you—turn on them. And now everything happens very fast.

Dean and Ellen high-tail it out of there. Soldier Boy changes salt rounds for real rounds. Rufus and Jo booby-trap the house where they’re at with pipe bombs. People start running out of the church—with guns. After a bit of a fight, Dean and Ellen manage to convince Rufus and Jo that they’re not demons. Dean and Jo exchange awkward and hurried ‘hellos’ and then Dean (finally!) asks where Sam is, finds him, cuts him loose and they start practically tripping over each other’s words to make sure the other guy knows about WAR and the Great Demon Hallucination of River Park, CO.

Sam tells Dean that WAR is controlling the situation with his ring, so now, they know what they have to do. Rufus, Ellen and Jo work to save the townsfolk from themselves and keep them from firing on and killing each other while the guys find WAR and pin him up against his pretty red Mustang. Sam holds up Ruby’s knife (and I’m going to have to call it something else eventually since there’s no more Ruby) and WAR scoffs that it can’t kill him.

Sam’s all, “I know” and while Dean holds WAR’s hand down, Sam cuts off his finger and turns the ring loose. My friend quipped that it was a One Ring. Which was really funny later on. The hallucinations stop. Soldier Boy doesn’t kill Ellen. The red Mustang disappears along with Nine-Fingered “Roger.” The townsfolk look around at each other, baffled, scared, and destroyed.

They may have stopped him, but I think WAR won this round.

The boys are sitting at a picnic table—presumably outside River Park, since the Impala’s nearby and the bridge was out. Dean’s holding WAR’s ring and says solemnly, “So… pit stop to Mt. Doom?”

HA!

Sam starts to speak, and Dean tries to stop him with a “we don’t have to do this.” But they do have to. Dean can’t deny it anymore. He can’t stave off the inevitable with motion. No amount of pretending it’s all going to be okay is going to make it okay. They couldn’t keep going on like this. Sam couldn’t fight by his brother’s side, knowing Dean didn’t trust him, not knowing how to make it better between them. Dean couldn’t keep moving forward, all-go-no-quit and hoping that somehow something was going to ease and the rock in his chest was going to move and let him breathe again.

Sam’s speech was so open and honest…

“I know you don’t trust me… I don’t trust me either.” He says he wanted the blood, that his intentions were good, but he finally got it. Intentions didn’t matter. He “just missed the feeling. The problem isn’t the demon blood. The problem is me. How far I’ll go. There’s something in me that scares the hell out of me. I think I need to take a step back from hunting… I’m dangerous… I think we need to go our separate ways.”

Dean’s watching him the whole time and the look on his face isn’t sadness, it isn’t denial. It’s relief.

He agrees with Sam, which surprises his brother. Sam had expected a fight. As, I’m sure, did most of us fans. Because even a month ago, Dean wouldn’t have let him go. He would have made him stay, asked for time, said they’d figure it out. Give them a chance. The comparison between this moment and the moment in Season 2 when Dean comes clean about what John made him promise… it’s so heart-wrenching what their paths have led them to.

Dean says that he “spends more time worry about you than doing the job” and right now he can’t afford that. It’s not possible (in my mind) for them to go through everything they’ve been through, and not take a break from each other. Sometimes you have to lose something to know how much you need it. You have to see your life without your constant, without your balance—and you have to do it willingly. Not by death or denial. Not by disappearance or escape. By choice.

And then you have to come back together by choice. You have to see what would become of you if you didn’t have the other side of your coin.

The definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect different results. And our guys aren’t crazy.

Dean offers Sam the Impala, but Sam declines. That was huge. That was expected. With a sad, “Take care of yourself, Dean.” “You, too, Sammy.” Sam leaves. He gives a lingering look to the Impala after retrieving his bag, and then hitches a ride with a dude in a truck heading… who knows where.

Dean didn’t ask and Sam didn’t tell. *heart sick* But you know, we're not talking about two kids here. We're talking about a 27ish man who is MORE than capable of taking care of himself. It just a heart sick feeling to see the necessity of pain.

Dean is left alone at the picnic table, with WAR’s ring. And no amulet.

Every piece of “Sammy” is gone from Dean at the moment. And as much as that hurts, I can only think that it’s the one thing they need to get them back together. I have a ‘bet’ with a friend that trust won’t be found again until episode 6. I don’t know that from spoilers—I’m just thinking of timing. It’s going to take time for them to heal. To want to be around each other again.

I don't think that either of them is blameless in this ordeal -- and I don't think they think that either. Dean broke in Hell, and it ruined him. It changed him. He doesn't want to feel anymore. He's not looking for a life, he's looking for a way to end this. To save humanity. To stop it all. When is the last time we saw Dean truly enjoy something? And Sam... he made so many of his decisions like an addict. Justify, justify, justify. Even his demand that Cas heal Dean after Alistair tortured him was almost from a place of someone accustomed to wielding the kind of power that could be capable of something like that.

This story they're telling us isn't a "happy" pals on the road kicking ass story. It's a human story. And in human stories, emotions get the best of us and we have to wrestle them into submission to find our way clear of that coweb. Because sometimes you have to go against those emotions to make the "right" decisions. Or even to see what the right decision is.

And meanwhile, we have the small issue of Dean on the demon hit list, being Michael’s sword, having carried the God EMF—that his brother gave him—and trying to find a way to kill/stop Lucifer. Coupled with Sam’s search for some kind of salvation, some small measure of absolution. Some part of himself that he recognizes again.

There are so many possibilities. And the canvas is still very empty.

Thanks for reading – hope to see you next week!

Slainte.

 


 

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tuya_moon
Sep. 18th, 2009 06:07 am (UTC)
Loved, loved this episode, even though it managed to rip off part of an idea for my spec script that I've been working on since last Nov./Dec. (ARGH! Hate that when it happens! Is nothng sacred??) I almost literally chucked my laptop at the TV as soon as shooting star was mentioned. I had been working on a piece about Wormword, a poisoned river, and epidemic hitting a small town since last year. Ok, not the most original idea, but I still had to call up my sis: "Are you watching Supernatural right now?"
"Yes."
"Can you believe they ripped off my script?"
"Huh? What script?"
"You know, the one I told you about at grandma's at Christmas?"
"Oh, yeah. I wasn't really paying attention. I was eating."
Fantastic. Sigh. Sibs. What are you going to do with them?

Anywhoo...

Before Cas even looked at Dean, I was screaming at Bobby: "It's DEAN's necklace, you idgit!"

That was the second time I almost destroyed my laptop with my enthusiastic TV-viewing skills. I really must remember to stow all delicate objects AWAY while watching SPN.

You so called last week. Sam may not NEED the demon blood, but that doesn't mean he doesn't WANT it. Finally, he's stopped lying to himself.

I about died when Dean offered the Impala to Sam. His BABY. I can't believe it. If that's not a sign of the end of the world, I don't know what is. But it was rather touching considering last ep, Dean wouldn't really address the elephant in the room. I can't believe the boys have separated. ::heart breaks:: I can only hope Kripke brings them back together again.

Wanted to get a quick comment out to you before I head off to bed, but I promise I'll comment more later.
gaelicspirit
Sep. 18th, 2009 11:58 am (UTC)
I have no doubt--NONE--that Kripke will bring them back together. Personally, I think his whole focus of this season is going to be to use the apocolypse to reunite his boys. Nothing like the end of the world to bring us all together to fight a common enemy, yeah?

Good on you for picking up on the amulet! Seriously, that took me by surprise. I love being surprised like that. :)

And as far as nothing being sacred? *LAUGH* I think that just shows how 'in-tune' you are to the show. Nicely done! And no... sibs never really listen. At least mine don't. Not unless it concerns them... and then they only hear what they want to hear.

Take care of you and I hope you're feeling better!! I have an email from you that I need to reply to, I believe.

Slainte,
Gaelic
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marta_kent
Sep. 18th, 2009 06:48 am (UTC)
Thank you! *runs to add it to websites with eyes closed* Read it later. BTW - amazing 501 review, I read it with great pleasure. I hope Rowen feels better, poor girl?
gaelicspirit
Sep. 18th, 2009 11:58 am (UTC)
Thanks, Marta! I'm glad you liked the last review. And she is doing better now -- thank you for asking. :)

Gaelic
yzba
Sep. 18th, 2009 07:13 am (UTC)
One of the thing I love about this arc is the way Sam never fought that much against the power, against Ruby's offer. Dean, on his part, just refuses to bow down to Heaven's demands. One easily falls prey to the evil and the other refuses to embrace good. And yet, they're both straddling the line between good and evil.

Sam isn't all bad, and Dean isn't all good.

I am a Dean girl, there's no doubt about it, but this episode? GUH. I don't know if it was the lighting, the script, or Jensen's acting, but, Dean was particurlarly charismatic and all around incredible.
gaelicspirit
Sep. 18th, 2009 12:00 pm (UTC)
One easily falls prey to the evil and the other refuses to embrace good. And yet, they're both straddling the line between good and evil.

OMG -- this? Is it. EXACTLY it. I love, love how you worded this. I'm going to hold it inside for awhile as I think about the ramifications of all we found out last night.

I don't know if it was the lighting, the script, or Jensen's acting, but, Dean was particurlarly charismatic and all around incredible.

A very big YES to all. :) LOL.

Thank you for coming by.

Gaelic
erinrua
Sep. 18th, 2009 07:43 am (UTC)
Oh, I'm so glad for your gift of words, because my words ... still elude me. So I'll just give an AMEN to everything you've said. *HUGS!*

The biggest thing to hit me, besides the fact that this split tragically fits, is that the boys have split up, not with anger, but with love. Sam is still Sammy. Dean would still give his kid brother the car, if he but asked. Dean still can't bear to be parted from the amulet Sammy gave him, those years ago. And Sam? Is finally reaching out to truly own the things he's done. That's huge. HUGE. He's been saying the words, he's been begging for absolution, but now he's finally managing an honest act of contrition.

Penance? I'm both curious and a little scared to see what Sam's act(s) of penance may be. I can already kinda map out Dean's, but Sam is, as ever, a cypher.

Wow. I found a couple words, anyhow! *g* Thank you so much for sharing your lovely, eloquent thoughts. I can't say how glad I am that you and I, at least, are on the same page with where this story is going. Slainte!

P.S.
OMG, SO MUCH CLASSIC ROCK! *glee*
gaelicspirit
Sep. 18th, 2009 12:07 pm (UTC)
The biggest thing to hit me, besides the fact that this split tragically fits, is that the boys have split up, not with anger, but with love.

SO, so true. I couldn't agree more. I actually stayed up way too late to finish the ramble and post it, and then ended up not really able to get the show, the guys, theories and concerns out of my head until my girl got up way too early. It's almost an all-consuming thing, this show. I was mostly worried how people would take my acceptance of this storyline.

I didn't want anyone to think that I WANTED it to be this way, but that I couldn't see any other way for it to happen. Do you know what I mean?

I can't say how glad I am that you and I, at least, are on the same page with where this story is going. Slainte!

THANK YOU for this. (Especially the Irish 'cheers'.) Made me feel good. :)

And now... we wait. At least for a week! :)

Edited at 2009-09-18 12:08 pm (UTC)
(Anonymous)
Sep. 18th, 2009 07:58 am (UTC)
Good God!
Damn woman! You said it! *claps* I just wish there were more fans like you in the forums writing this stuff out, to spread this intellect. You said somethings that I have thought or felt the same way and also made me see it in another way. Reading your reviews makes me look forward for more episodes this season while other places don't really.. do what you do. I now have a nasty habit of pointing things out that I KNOW the fans would start complaining about and i think it developed from reading those "debating" threads. I catch myself doing through out the episode, like some kind of censor. "Oh, no. He said that. Oh, they're gonna get mad." "Oh! There goes a Dean hates Sam now thread. That's gonna be swell." *sighs.* Beam me up, Scotty. *facepalm*

I totally agree with you that something's big is gonna happen in this season. I can see it building up already and its only the second ep of the season! "The suspense is terrible... I hope it'll last." ;)

The deal with Bobby's injury. See, I figured he could no longer walk because of what the angel Zach said to Dean in the premiere ep. "How would you feel if your friend Bobby never walked again.?" or something like that and didn't bother to heal him as well when Cas showed up and demanded Sam and Dean to be healed. I don't know but that was my opinion. I could be totally wrong. :P

Yes, I flipped out too when Dean's amulet turned out to be God EMF. i was like, "Finally! I have been waiting since the 1st season and watching the Paley Festival event about the damn neckalce." lol But yeah, he looked like he really did not want to give that amulet up. I was like, "Aw, Dean." *Pets and tries to cop a feel.*

Yeah I noticed too when Sam killed those two teenage "demons" that there was no sparkly, shocky light. Honestly, i just thought they were saving money on the CGI effect for that. LOL.

I have a feeling as well that this is not the last time we're gonna see WAR. He'll be back along with his brothers. Won't that be fun?

Oh my god, you are so right about the ending of this ep. Forget Dean holding Sam as he dies in AHBL. Forget Sam holding Dean in No Rest. Forget the tears, the fights, and losses these guys stared over the 4 years. To me the most heart-breaking scene in the show was watching these two boys go in separate ways at the end. That just... uhh. No words. But this is what makes this show damn good entertainment because they are so human. Though the genre is horror, fantasy and sci-fi, deep in the center is the chocolatey goodness of a story about the journey of two brothers. To have this kind of reaction, I'm not talking about the fangirls who obsessed how much screen time each brother gets, or the ones that believes that Kripke should follow THEIR version of how the show should go. I'm talking the reaction you get when you feel and ache what these guys go through. That you can put yourself in their shoes and relate to them in away. To me, to get a reaction like that from a show is proof that the writers and Kripke know what they are doing and it is the greatest compliant to a person(s) with that much creativity. I mean you would know right, Gaelic? *wink*

Looking forward for more of your lovely words. See ya. :D

~Crash_n_Burn
gaelicspirit
Sep. 18th, 2009 12:15 pm (UTC)
Re: Good God!
Crash, you are amazing. Never let anyone tell you differently. And if they do? Send 'em my way.

I now have a nasty habit of pointing things out that I KNOW the fans would start complaining about ...

I was actually just thinking that as I wrote last night. When I said that I thought this season would polarize the fans... yeah, that's where I was going with it because I'm aware (at least on the fringes) of what the nay-sayers say. I don't go to those forums, but I have enough friends who do and learn from them what goes on. *sighs*

The deal with Bobby's injury...

I could buy that, and if I need to hush up about it, I will. But I was thinking what Zach said was to the effect of if you do this, Bobby's healed, if you don't, he never walks again. I don't know... you're probably right and I should just watch and enjoy. I think writing fanfic has spoiled me on details. Heh.

To have this kind of reaction, I'm not talking about the fangirls who obsessed how much screen time each brother gets, or the ones that believes that Kripke should follow THEIR version of how the show should go. I'm talking the reaction you get when you feel and ache what these guys go through. That you can put yourself in their shoes and relate to them in away...

YES! That's it, exactly. I could really sleep well last night because of that reaction.

Thank you for putting it so well into words. :)

See you soon!!




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apieceofcake
Sep. 18th, 2009 11:29 am (UTC)
Loved it! :-)

Ellen rocks!

That ending was hard *sniff* but necessary. Dean still called him Sammy and offered him the impala. Sam ..his face..aw!

Agreed about that promo pic! I made myself a header and have been using it since I saw it..had to have that with Jensen's arms ;-)
gaelicspirit
Sep. 18th, 2009 12:16 pm (UTC)
Dean still called him Sammy and offered him the impala. Sam ..his face..aw!

I KNOW! :) *chokes up*

Oh, boys.

Agreed about that promo pic! I made myself a header and have been using it since I saw it..had to have that with Jensen's arms...

This? This is why I love you. Hee.

Thank you for coming by!!
jerrys1girl
Sep. 18th, 2009 11:46 am (UTC)
Hey Gaelic -

I haven't watched the episode yet and won't be able to until tonight, but I couldn't help myself from skimming your review (I stopped after your question about Bobby - I don't mind being a little spoiled, but i figured if I went any further it would be too much). Someone may have answered your question about Bobby, but I had to respond because it made me laugh. I too was very confused about his injury, and my husband took great pride in explaining it too me. It was Zachariah - toward the end when he was threatening Dean and said "what if your friend Bobby never walks again," "what if you have stage 4 stomach cancer," etc. Cas came in after that and forced Zach to heal "them" (Sam and Dean), but he didn't know about Bobby, so he was never healed. My husband, knowing how I am obsessed with all things about this show, still hasn't let go of the fact that he caught something I missed - LOL. Anyway, just wanted to pass that on. I'll do a more thorough reading tonight after I watch - can't wait!

gaelicspirit
Sep. 18th, 2009 11:52 am (UTC)
Hi there!

Okay, yours is the first comment I've read, so I don't know either if someone else may have addressed this -- we'll see.

See, I thought about that, too, but what Zach said was that Dean helps him, he heals Bobby. He doesn't, and Bobby never walks again. To me, that insinuated that Bobby was already in danger of never walking again. Not that he'd done it.

So, maybe you're right. Or, rather, your husband is right... ;) I can let it go.

Enjoy when you get to watch!
catsitter2000
Sep. 18th, 2009 01:16 pm (UTC)
Dear Gaelic,

while downloading the episode from the web (in germany we didn`t go past season 3 up to now) I read your review and enjoyed it as much as all your other texts and stories.

Now I know my heart will break while watching epi 5.02 tonight.

Dean offered Sam the Impala? Had to give away his amulet? It´s like: "There will be most likely no tomorrow for mankind, but for sure no happy ending for me. So why keep this things?" But despite of feeling hopeless (bobby badly injured, Sam not a constant anymore) he`s determined to go down fighting, to go on till the end.
And I think this end will reveal the real strength of humans and the strength of Sam and Dean: No weapons, no masterplan, but the ability to forgive and love.
I adore the way Kripke took us on a long road for over four years now. Picking up pieces from season one and two (Dean`s pendant) and giving them a place in the myth arc is ingenious. And I´m sure he`s not done yet.

I just added your site to my favorites.

Claudia

gaelicspirit
Sep. 18th, 2009 07:59 pm (UTC)
Thanks, Claudia!! So happy to see you. :)

And I think this end will reveal the real strength of humans and the strength of Sam and Dean: No weapons, no masterplan, but the ability to forgive and love...

So, so true. It's one of 'our' amazing qualities. :)

Picking up pieces from season one and two (Dean`s pendant) and giving them a place in the myth arc is ingenious. And I´m sure he`s not done yet.

I know, it's it awesome!! I love it. Such a great storyline. :)
qultng1
Sep. 18th, 2009 01:16 pm (UTC)
Hi, hon.

I'm exhausted and bouncy and completely unable to think about anything else besides Supernatural. Finally managed to get to bed last night and then lay there and think about Supernatural. When sleep did ultimately come, guess what I dreamed about. Yep.

This whole situation is tearing me apart. I'm one of the people who misses the '"happy" pals on the road kicking ass story', but I can't help but love how we're growing and going through some serious shit.

I saw the thing with the amulet coming, but I missed a lot of other stuff and was blown away by most of it.

Re: Bobby. They need to seriously give us some info about that. The only thing I can think of that a nerve was severed or something like that. I thought the abdomen, too, but if it was to the side...maybe? I don't know.

I'm glad that they didn't brush off Sam's addiction like it appeared they would last week. K said that it would be a big part of the season, so it had to come back to "bite him in the ass" sometime. Sam has to forgive himself before he can expect Dean to forgive him.

I really loved the love that showed through in this ep, too. It was there in everything; even the point where Sam lost his temper and shoved Dean. It was just there. Yes, I expected an argument from Dean when Sam said they should separate, but I'd read the synopsis for next week's ep. Wish I hadn't. I've been spoiler free in that I haven't gone looking, but haven't avoided them either. Might start avoiding. That impact would have been so much greater if I hadn't known. Dean's eyes never left Sam while he was leaving, even following the truck until it was almost gone. Wonder if that ring is going to play into things later for them?

Anyway, when they got back together, they knew what they had to do and they did it, together, without thinking about it. They each did their part, worked the way they work, TRUSTED the other to do his, and got the job done. It showed at the beginning, too, as they were checking out the vehicles. It'll come back, but it's gonna be a rough road and I have my seatbelt fastened. Wouldn't miss this ride for anything.

Marney didn't get to see the ep last night. She's at her sister's who doesn't get the CW. Gives us an excuse for her to come over and watch after she gets home. :D

Thanks for your review, hon. It's gonna be an interesting ride, huh?
gaelicspirit
Sep. 18th, 2009 08:01 pm (UTC)
So, EFW, below, posted a plausible explanation for Bobby's paralysis. She had to research it, but it makes sense to me.

I really loved the love that showed through in this ep, too. It was there in everything; even the point where Sam lost his temper and shoved Dean. It was just there...

I totally agree with you. It was the main thing that gave me hope at the end.

Wonder if that ring is going to play into things later for them?

I think it must... and it also made me think of another guy who drives a muscle car and wears a ring... just... thinking.
sojourner84
Sep. 18th, 2009 01:58 pm (UTC)
Separate Ways
"This story they're telling us isn't a "happy" pals on the road kicking ass story. It's a human story. And in human stories, emotions get the best of us and we have to wrestle them into submission to find our way clear of that cobweb. Because sometimes you have to go against those emotions to make the "right" decisions. Or even to see what the right decision is."

Yes. I think that's the only way you can enjoy the show where it is right now. You can't keep comparing it to the past or the "old days" and wish it was instantly back the way it was. Not without huge plot holes and cop outs and rushing toward resolution. Watching last night I had a feeling of where it was going and that scene at the end didn't so much crush me as make me nod slowly. Like at the end of last week's episode. Dean is so damn tired. Sam is so damn tired...and as I watch them struggle with these massive things (PTSD, addiction, blood on their hands, letting Lucifer out, starting the breaking of the seals to begin with, learning you're not only Michael's vessel, but you've been carrying around a God compass for years...and on and on and on) I realize they're not going to be able to help themselves if they keep trying to make things okay for one another when its clear that they aren't.

They're both broken. Whereas in the past, one brother would give of himself to help the other, pour out what strength they had, imbue some sense of everything is going to be okay...there's nothing not broken to give, strength is like a drop in the bottom of the bucket, and nothing is all right...not right now.

Dean offering Sam the car...at first, made me sad that he'd given up on everything, but the more I thought about it, that was huge and the fact that Dean still called him Sammy, was broken up about losing Sam's gift when Cas took it, that says a lot that I hope people don't miss. I liked your prediction about how coming together will be around episode six. I've been thinking episode five through seven, we'll start to see the turn around, and in a way, in a way I hope I don't get lampooned for, I am glad those two are getting some reflection/breather time.

The Bobby thing still has me puzzled too, but I've kinda just learned to say "Okay, Kripke." Like, if that's what he wants to do with no real clear explanation, I'll just go with it. The Devil in the details thing with me gets exhausting. Plus, Krip is rolling out a lot of things we've speculated for years about in these first few episodes, so it's been interesting having some resolution to details we'd pick apart, like all the speculation around the amulet. That is what it is...a God compass. Interesting.

And I really enjoyed your observation about John and Dean...how all these things were supposed to fall to John and they fell to Dean. What will that mean in the end? Was John supposed to be a vessel? Must be where the genetics came from, since we know it a genetic trait from the Rapture. Which, is a little too midichlorian for me (Now who is the Star Wars geek. *laugh*) but it is very interesting and drawing, the mystery that Krip has set up around Dean's story. Sure, we know that he's destined to do A,B, C according to Zach and Cas...but we have no idea what that will look like in the end, or even if Dean will do what is prophesied and that is dang good storytelling.

Loved the classic rock in this.

I also loved watching Sam come to grips with somethings he had been trying to sort in his head and I look forward to how he comes back from this, same with Dean. Both boys have mountains to deal with and my hope is that it doesn't completely destroy who they are, but makes them stronger.



sojourner84
Sep. 18th, 2009 02:22 pm (UTC)
Separate Ways Con't
War, the horseman, had me confused. His resume boasted of world wars and he was messing with...well what kinda looked like Marion, Indiana *laugh* What will Pestilence do, knock over a bowling alley with killer cockroaches? Will Famine take out a single crop, creating crop circles?

Loved that he rode in a red mustang. I know some fans told me Gaiman (Sandman) portrayed the horseman on motorcycles, so Kripke's twist is fun. Just wasn't impressed by WAR in his suit and losing the ring just cause Sam and Dean cut it off. *shrug* But I mean, what else were Sam and Dean going to do? Steal the hood ornament? I did dig that Dean went straight for the Bible to figure out what was going on. And I know that the show can only so so much within so much of a scale, so I do enjoy Krip's take on War. I'm looking forward to the other horsemen, to see what they're like.

Next week's previews look good. Curious what role Jess will play. Will it be like "Mary" in When the Levee Breaks...or is she genuinely there to help Sam, a guardian angel of sorts. Who knows, but I'm excited to find out. And Dean and Cas "hunting" together, has me hopeful those two will have a good verbal bout about this whole thing, help Dean in this whole separation period from Sam deal with some of his own demons. Here's hoping anyway.


Thank you for the review. As always, it's very refreshing to read, to get a perspective that really delves into these character's human sides and limitations and really begs the reader to evaluate gut check emotions and look into their own lives. It really does make the show all that more enjoyable. They are so very human through your eyes and I love that. I know some people won't be happy with how that episode ended, but it was very real to me, and I enjoyed being able to read your thoughts as well on it.

Until next week! Take care!

-SJ
gaelicspirit
Sep. 20th, 2009 05:34 pm (UTC)
Re: Separate Ways Con't
Hi there -- I'm sorry it took me a bit to reply to you. I've had a very hard, interesting weekend and needed to wait until I had a little of my 'normal' back to really think through replies.

First -- THANK YOU for coming by and sharing your thoughts. You know from our IM conversations that I find you so very insightful and I love that we align on so many levels when it comes to the boys.

The Bobby thing still has me puzzled too, but I've kinda just learned to say "Okay, Kripke." Like, if that's what he wants to do with no real clear explanation, I'll just go with it.

In a comment below yours on here, EFW writes that she did some research (the woman has crazy skills when it comes to finding medical information) and provides a plausible explanation (IMO) for Bobby's paralysis. Even if the show never explains it, it helped me wrap my head around it a bit.

War, the horseman, had me confused. His resume boasted of world wars and he was messing with...well what kinda looked like Marion, Indiana *laugh* What will Pestilence do, knock over a bowling alley with killer cockroaches? Will Famine take out a single crop, creating crop circles?

This was a very interesting observation. I hadn't really picked up on how it seemed odd that WAR was playing around in Smalltown, Middle America until you pointed it out. In thinking about it, I wonder if there is something about CO -- the West in general -- that is going to be pivotal. Wasn't the Devil's Gate that they opened with the Colt in WY?

(And while we're on that subject, I wonder if we're going to be hearing of the random apocolyptic chaos happening across the globe at some point...)

But, what your comment made me think about is how easy it was for WAR to turn 'us' against each other -- and to depict it with any kind of understanding, we had to see the utter tragedy it was for a small town to be utterly devestated from the inside out.

Small towns are rather notorious for the community environment where everyone knows everyone else and settles comfortably in their neighbors business. You take that kind of unity -- a serrogate family if you will -- and you rip it apart... well, to me that's more dramatic than having WAR land in New York, Detroit, Chicago or L.A. and turn people against each other. In places like that? It's possible no one would even notice for awhile...

Loved that he rode in a red mustang. I know some fans told me Gaiman (Sandman) portrayed the horseman on motorcycles, so Kripke's twist is fun.

I agree!! Very in-tune with our show, that. I tell you what? If one of those guys pulls up in a Shelby 500GT? Gaelic is going to have a flippin' FIT.

They are so very human through your eyes and I love that. I know some people won't be happy with how that episode ended, but it was very real to me, and I enjoyed being able to read your thoughts as well on it.

Thank you for this. I was really worried about this episode review and how people would respond, and there are some comments that I am still trying to think how to respond to in a way that will take care of the commentor's feelings, yet also express my point. Not an easy balance, that.

*hugs you*

See you next week (or sooner, hopefully!)

Edited at 2009-09-20 05:35 pm (UTC)
simplycolourful
Sep. 18th, 2009 02:36 pm (UTC)
I'm so looking forward to reading this, but I don't know when it'll be, cause one of the fans on my computer broke and now the whole system is running so slow it's killing me...
I'm tempted to read it before watching the episode, but I don't really wanna spoil myself...
simplycolourful
Sep. 20th, 2009 04:50 pm (UTC)
Okay crisis somewhat avoided, because I realized that I could convert the file and watch it on my mp3-player...

The episode was awesome! Dean's amulet totally blew me away and the x-rays of the boys’ chests were crazy cool.

The whole plot with War and our ability to kill each other, was interesting and really well played out. And yay for Ellen and Jo! And Rufus :)
I still don't know how I feel about the ending, but I understand why it had to happen...

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amyblair3
Sep. 18th, 2009 02:51 pm (UTC)
Well, this wasn't an easy episode AT ALL to watch.

It almost left me angered - because I was - and it also totally depressed me.

I was shocked at the 'See ya 'round' attitude they both brought at the picnic table. I was glad that there was no packing a bag and leaving a note and sliding out in the middle of the night, but COME ON! NOTHING? I get that Dean can't focus. When Ellen came back from being 'out' with Sam and shook here head at Dean - there was that moment where Dean started to GO... and then stopped. I was okay with this, but he says, "We need a plan." not "Do they have him? Did they kill him?" then after they enter the house I was actually yelling, "Where's SAM?" when finally Dean asks, "SAM?"

Why the hell they tied him up and stuck him in the attic or whatever... Whatever.

So, they are on their own and off to figure things out. The thing that really, really, really bothers me is that Dean has Castiel. Rufus. Bobby. And, obviously Ellen and Jo (yeah, there was NO interaction between the women and Sam - besides his exorcism). Notice Ellen barely looked at Sam when she first sees the boys and it boo-hoo'ing all over Dean.

Who does Sam have? Really, nobody. Bobby hasn't cut him out, but he has his own plate chuck full. He really is alone. And Dean doesn't seem to give a crap about that at all. Just lets him jump in with Shady Van Guy and off he goes.

I know they're suppose to struggle. I know this 'break-up' is okay, but Jesus, can we get some bonding here somewhere? Sam is being honest. Finally. He admits to Dean his struggles with the blood, with the job, with HIMSELF, and Dean just waves a dismissive hand in front of him. "Oh, did you want to take the Impala? No? Okay, then."

"There's something inside of me." Sam can still feel 'it'. Whatever 'it' still is. Whatever the plan still is, Sam could very well be in real danger. Opening the door was maybe just the beginning for him. We don't know. Ruby told him "It always had too be you." and "You didn't need the feather, Dumbo. It was always inside of you." What does that mean? Where does that leave Sam? Have they talked about the phone call? Does Dean know that it was jumbled up and THAT was what pushed Sam over the edge? Knowing his brother wasn't there with him anymore?

So, Sam needs Dean. And Dean needs Sam. And, Good God Ya'll, I need some brother-brother glue happening. I realize you are correct when you say that it needs to be what they choose to do - they need to come back together because they want to and, yes, they need a time-out from one another. But I thought it was too "I don't care" from Dean's point of view. Sam's "I thought there was going to be a fight." It was almost he WANTED a fight. At least that would have shown him his brother still cared. It was a disheartening episode for me. I'm ready for one of them to finally break or to clobber the other one (oooh - Sam pushing Dean, btw - ooooh)... I need some love. I think it's breaking me.

And my bet was episode 4? Yeah, I don't see that happening now. But, I'm still sticking...
kumaproogey
Sep. 19th, 2009 09:38 pm (UTC)
Okay, I just had to say something & I am for some reason not in a great mood so don't have the energy to write my own reply. I love both Amanda & Amy's perspectives & appreciate both. I agree & disagree & am intrigued by both. Since Amanda has episode 6 & Amy has 4 I'll get the middle & take episode 5.

- Karen
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(Anonymous)
Sep. 18th, 2009 05:38 pm (UTC)
You are such a work distraction! Loved your review as usual.

First, Sera Gamble rocks. I was so happy to see her as last night's writer. She uses the pop culture references well and limited. Sometimes they go a little overboard with those!

Okay, so Bobby's paralysis. I was wondering the same thing last night, and like you, don't think Zachariah had anything to do with it. So...I did a little research. Here's what I found, that makes it plausible as a result of the stab wound:

"Radicular artery interruption, in combination with systemic hypotension, can cause selective watershed infarction of the spinal cord. Strokes of the spinal cord after trauma are rare, and those at a thoracic level usually represent delayed infarctions after pediatric chest or abdominal injuries."

The radicular artery is in the lumbar region, and is quite large. So Bobby could have had a stroke of the spinal chord, caused by interruption of blood to this artery and extremely low blood pressure (which he would have had from all the blood loss). A stroke of the spinal chord can cause paralysis that can be resolved with rehabilitation. This is a good diagnosis because it means Bobby can walk again. If only Kripke would call me for a second opinion.

I know, I'm a nerd, you don't have to say it.

The amulet - for once I beat you to the punch. I knew it was the amulet right away. And, much to the dismay of hubby and son, I shouted out that Dean now feels naked, right before he did. Something about me and naked and that boy...

However, my one upping you ends there because I couldn't remember how Sam got the amulet to begin with. I knew it was intended for John, but still didn't clue in that maybe John was supposed to break the first seal. I've always thought that somewhere along the way John was no longer a righteous man, and the deed fell to Dean.

I think someone needs to remind Dean of a few things. Obviously, based on the end of last season, we are now operating under the belief of free will and not destiny, so it's hard to insist that Sam was destined to do this the minute YED fed him blood in his crib, but Dean has to remember that there was a last seal to break only because he broke the first one. AND, what about the fact that Dean was locked up throughout most the season finale because God had decided that he wanted this to happen? He wanted to start over. Wasn't it Zachariah who made the comment, you think we would have let all those seals break? Meaning, they let it happen. Sam's heart was in the right place, and his goodness is what Dean needs to see. Along with the fact that both of them were manipulated a little. Dean by good and Sam by evil. Manipulation nonetheless.

So, I got how hard it was for Dean to give up the amulet, how he offered Sam the car and said Sammy in the end. I get how all these things add up to Dean still caring. But when he fought off Rufus it took him way too long to ask, where's Sam. I know, I'm nitpicking, but I want them back together. I know this is necessary. You said it beautifully - they have to choose to separate so they can see life without each others (or something to that effect). But we've had a season of them growing apart and I am more than ready to move on.

Okay, I have to stop now. I could speculate on this show forever. I love all the religious references, even if I'm not familiar with many of them. They make for great conversation. I do trust Kripke enough to believe the boys will be back, stronger than ever. And I trust that he will do it masterfully and realistically. I just hope it's soon.

Thanks for reviewing. :-)

EFW




gaelicspirit
Sep. 21st, 2009 01:25 am (UTC)
Lady, you? Are awesome. I read this and as I went through my other replies referred them to your comment as the one with the plausible explanation for Bobby's paralysis. I knew you'd have a way of figuring it out.

No other layman has impressed me as much with medical research. I may put you to work trying to diagnose my daughter if the specialist doesn't give us anything on Wednesday.

I think someone needs to remind Dean of a few things. Obviously, based on the end of last season, we are now operating under the belief of free will and not destiny, so it's hard to insist that Sam was destined to do this the minute YED fed him blood in his crib, but Dean has to remember that there was a last seal to break only because he broke the first one.

See, I don't think Dean isn't thinking of this. I think this is actually one of the main reasons Dean agreed that Sam should go. I don't know that it's something that could have been brought up yet between them, though. I mean, I don't think Dean could say, "I know you're sorry, Sam. I get it. But your choosing a demon over your brother rocked me and I don't think I can trust you. And not only that, I don't know if I can protect you anymore. Because if it hadn't been for me breaking in Hell, there wouldn't be any reason for you to have gotten addicted to demon blood in the first place."

That's huge, y'know? Facing the reality of your own mistakes... not something than can be done on a short timeframe. It took a year to slowly tear them apart. They're not going to be put back together quickly.

As far as God letting all of this happen... I think the fact that there are angels taking part in what used to be a quiet guerilla-like war between a few humans and the evil things that preyed upon us has Dean spinning. I think the fact that angels are real, that they rescued him from Hell, that they had work for him to do has his head filled with more questions than answers.

So, the fact that God might have 'let this happen' isn't really something that could be easy to assimilate. He hasn't really had time to let it sink it. It's been move move move go go go fight fight fight since he came back.

I am with you, though. I want them healed and fighting together.

I saw Wolverine over the weekend and the story centers on two brothers who end up at odds, neither agreeing that the other's choice is the right one. But when the fit hits the shan at the end of the movie, one brother saves the other and they end up literally back-to-back fighting the bad guy.

Because the bottom line was that they were brothers. Nothing else mattered.

I am looking forward to that moment with our boys.

(Anonymous)
Sep. 18th, 2009 08:07 pm (UTC)
Hiya, Gaelic. It's Vanessa.

Again, I marvel at your eloquence in your ramble. Not surprisingly, you make many, many good points.

I actually loved this episode. There many painful moments--moments where I wanted to give each boy a smack to the back of the head.

But there were many more wonderful moments. The first fifteen minutes of the episode were awesome (to me anyway). Gruff, angry Bobby, the humorous little tidbits ("Maybe I should give him a backrub"). One of my absolute favorite parts was the x-ray of the Enochian symbols carved into their ribcages. Last week when Castiel did that to Dean and Sam, I thought he meant he carved one small symbol on a rib. I totally didn't expect what we saw last night and I, for one, thought it was an incredible piece of imagery.

I also really liked the reveal about the amulet. I didn't think it was cheesy at all like I've seen some say. Dean did not want to give it up. He immediately, without hesitation, said no when Castiel first asked. Then when he did give it up, he looked at it wistfully for several seconds, handed it over, and ordered, "Don't lose it." He clearly showed how much Sam's gift still meant to him.

I thought there were a lot of subtle moments, subtle facial expressions, that proved the boys still deeply love each other. Moments that showed that the brotherly bond, while tenuous and strained, is still there.

The end broke my heart. Despite that though, I have to acknowledge that this is the first time the brothers have sat down and talked, really talked, without yelling, blaming, accusing, etc. Their words were beyond painful on both sides. I thought the decision to separate was equally devastating to each of them. And Dean offering Sam the Impala was an act of love and trust. No one will convince me otherwise.
gaelicspirit
Sep. 21st, 2009 01:28 am (UTC)
Thank you so much for this, Ness. I needed your positive energy. :) I, too, loved the amulet moment -- especially because I hadn't seen it coming. I hate being able to predict too many things.

I thought there were a lot of subtle moments, subtle facial expressions, that proved the boys still deeply love each other. Moments that showed that the brotherly bond, while tenuous and strained, is still there.

I couldn't agree more. And I think the next few epis are going to be hard to watch at times, but I think that the pacing is excellent so far with the journey of these characters.
jazzyirish
Sep. 18th, 2009 09:03 pm (UTC)
Well, here I am, but my heart - she is broken. I guess I picked-up on the opposite things as you did - I saw the amulet coming but not that last scene. :( Don't get me wrong, I picked-up on Dean's mood, but I guess I never expected him to sit there, so stoic, while Sam tells him it's better if they go their separate ways, and to agree with Sam - without hesitation - that yes, it would be better because worrying about Sam is a distraction that Dean can't afford right now. WOW! Who would ever have believed this scene now, two years ago when Dean held a dead Sam in his arms and made a deal to go to hell to bring Sam back to life? Good God, Y'all!

I thought this episode was even more powerful than the opener. Loved that we got not one, but two classic rock songs - that's double the pleasure, double the fun. ;) I missed those promo shots you mentioned, but I thought that the guys walking down the main street with their shotguns was HOT! And I loved the cherry Mustang as a metaphor for a red horse.

I noticed how much Sam was in the background of this episode - there but not really interacting - except with Dean. The interaction with Dean, unfortunately, was angry and exasperating. I was glad that WAR confronted Sam and said that he saw into his head - saw his lust for power; that Sam wanted to be stronger than anyone. I believe that statement is what probably got Sam thinking about what is inside of him, whether he can trust himself, what his true motivations are and ultimately led to his separation from Dean. Yes, Sam may be 27, but my heart broke for him when he picked up his duffel out of the Impala and headed off to parts unknown. I had tears running down my cheeks during that scene. Like I said, I never saw it coming...

But I do agree with you - this break was inevitable. I like your insinuation that the only way it will work is when the separation is by choice - not like either Sam's or Dean's deaths before - and then it will be choice again to come back together after they can resolve some personal issues. These brothers have changed so much with the events of the last two years. They look so beaten down by life, it hurts. :(

Fabulous performances by all. Of course, Jensen always blows me away. He does more with body language and expressions than most actors do with reams of dialogue. When he started for that door to go after and find Sam, but then stopped and thought about it, it was like you could see the wheels turning in his head, the process of logic that lead him to his decision to formulate a plan instead of rushing out the door. And that's one small scene.

Loved all of your thoughts as always. You bring another level of insight to the episode, and I enjoy it more having read your comments.

See you next week,
Irish*

*PS - I didn't appreciate Sera's comments about the Irish!
gaelicspirit
Sep. 21st, 2009 01:43 am (UTC)
I instantly thought of you with the "Irish" quip. I like, though, how you put it on Sera Gamble -- you are always centered on who created something, who wrote something. I dig that about you. That subject -- The Troubles -- is an awful sensitive one to joke about.

Who would ever have believed this scene now, two years ago when Dean held a dead Sam in his arms and made a deal to go to hell to bring Sam back to life?

*sniff* Yeah, I know. I think it just shows how much they're both going through, how much they've been through, how scared they both are. They spent a year being slowly pulled apart with barbs of pain, hurt, and distrust being shoved between them. And now they're pitted against an almost impossible enemy in a war none of us are supposed to survive...

It's a lot to take in. I said in a comment above that I think the scene at the picnic table is so evocative of where both of them are right now -- Sam trying to figure out who he is, Dean trying to figure out what he is. Both of them afraid of being the one that ends up getting their brother killed. Neither of them able to stand in the role they used to have with each other.

I am looking forward to the moment WE are able to feel whole again. *laughs at self* I need two fictional brothers to reconnect and reunite so that *I* can feel whole. What has this show done to me?

Of course, Jensen always blows me away. He does more with body language and expressions than most actors do with reams of dialogue...

Ain't it the truth? He coils me up, no matter what he does. What are we going to do when we don't have him to watch every week? *sighs*

Thank you so much for coming by -- I look forward to your thoughts every week.

See you soon.
pinkphoenix1985
Sep. 18th, 2009 09:18 pm (UTC)
great review!

Did you notice that Dean giving the amulet to Castiel definitely foreshadowed the ending of the show where Sam seperates from Dean as well? I hope that by the time episode X where they come together again, so will the amulet be back around Dean's neck.

As a Sam fan- I did like this episode where Sam is really struggling and for the first time is honest with Dean. It broke my heart especially when Dean offered the Impala to Sam and Sam lovingly caressing the Impala as he leaves. Sam not taking the Impala, I think is also symbolic because it allows him to be fully seperated from Dean.

I mean, as Dean needs to be solely on his own, so does Sam...

I have no doubt that the next few episodes are definitely going to be painful in that the heart of the show is seemly broken with no repair...
gaelicspirit
Sep. 21st, 2009 01:47 am (UTC)
Hi there! Thanks so much for coming by and taking time to comment.

I mean, as Dean needs to be solely on his own, so does Sam...

I couldn't agree more. I liked your observations on Sam and the Impala. I said in another reply that Sam needs this break. He needs to get a grip on who he is. And that's gotta be scaring him to death, y'know? Sure, he wanted Dean to give him a fight. Because Dean always has. He's always put Sam first. So Sam could have been counting on that to give him a possible reason to not do this. To stick it out with Dean. Because in some respects facing the end of the world would be easier than facing himself.

I think that for Sam to get focus on who he is and what he has to do next, he can't have a crutch. Someone to tell him it's okay. Someone to offer him solace. Not right now. He needs to be able to decompress and return to this fight whole and with an understanding that Dean is his partner not the person standing in his way, or the person holding him back, or the person protecting him.

I have no doubt that the next few episodes are definitely going to be painful in that the heart of the show is seemly broken with no repair...

The key word here being "seemingly" -- because I believe in my heart that there will be repair. And that we're all going to be okay.
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(Anonymous)
Sep. 18th, 2009 10:31 pm (UTC)
Hey Gaelic,

Only now that all my co workers have left I could read this... I watched this eps only once, this morning before coming in, and I'm still very much shaken by it...

(the amulet thing makes me think of the Virtual Season so much! It's been "special" there for a long time!)

Loved the review as always... Can you tell me how is it that the 4 horseman and War explain the title? 9again, some cultural reference I probably don't have).

I finished Desolation Angels this week. I am now sure that this story is completely different from all the others I've read from you! It also showed to me how mature you are to go off and write original stories: you were capable of creating so many different characters, all very beliavable, and great interactions etc. I think it was your most ambitious story in the sense of it being less focused on the boys (that we already know) and just them, and more about a more complex story arch, with more characters, more things happening in different fronts etc. And while I do tend to look for mostly the same stuff when reading fanfic (stuff that is more present on your other stories than on this one) I really enjoy it.

Best,
Clarice
gaelicspirit
Sep. 21st, 2009 01:53 am (UTC)
Hi there!

Can you tell me how is it that the 4 horseman and War explain the title?

The title of the episode, "Good God, Ya'll" is a line in a song by Edwin Starr called "War." The lyrics include:

War! Huh – Good God y’all
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
Say it again

War! Whoa, Lord
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Listen to me…

War! It ain’t nothing but a heartbreaker
War! Friend only to the undertaker
Peace Love and Understanding;
tell me, is there no place for them today?
They say we must fight to keep our freedom
But Lord knows there’s got to be a better way ...


I left the VS before the amulet arch really took shape--and because I wrote "stand alone" episodes, I wasn't really clear on the theory there, but I did know that they had one. :) So, I'm glad you enjoyed the overlay with that!

Thank you, too, for your kind comments on Desolation Angels! I'm so pleased you enjoyed and I appreciate the compliment to the creations of characters. :)

Hope you enjoy the next couple -- they are focused more on just the brothers than any OCs. I think this is what you're referring to as looking for the same stuff. :)

Take care of you and I look forward to seeing you later this week.

Gaelic

(Anonymous)
Sep. 19th, 2009 12:43 am (UTC)
WAR!!
Hey Gaelic,

What you said!!! I pretty much agree with everything you came up with, but of course you put it all in a much better way than I ever could!! The amulet - finally we get to hear what it is for, I can't wait to see when it begins to show who God is... and of course, for Dean to get it back. He was right, he looked naked without it.

I was sad to see that they split at the end of the episode, and I hope it won't be for too long. But, I think they both need it. I just worry what path Sam will take now he is alone.

Next Thursday seems an awfully long way away!
Stella
gaelicspirit
Sep. 21st, 2009 01:56 am (UTC)
Re: WAR!!
HEY! I see that you commented on the premiere ramble, too. I'll circle back there in just a second.

I'm with you on the God curiousity! Who could they possibly use, besides maybe Morgan Freeman... ;)

I can't wait for Dean to get the amulet back. And as far as where Sam will go, what Sam will do... frankly, my dear, I do give a damn.

To steal a line from "your" classic movie... depending on the kindness of strangers isn't really his forte...

Next Thursday is closer now! :)

*grins*
primrose_1
Sep. 19th, 2009 03:57 am (UTC)
While the struggles the boys are having break my heart, I am so grateful to the writers for making it real. They could have had them say "I'm sorry all is forgiven" and have it be done. Relationships are messy and painful and we've all experienced it. It's awful and wonderful to see.

Not to mention- I LOVED WAR!!! My favorite version of the four horsemen has always been Terry Pratchitt and Neil Gaiman's book Good Omens. Part of me really wanted to see a hot redheaded girl selling arms to Iraqi's illegally. Roger surprised me, and definitely didn't disappoint. Can't wait to see the other three!
gaelicspirit
Sep. 21st, 2009 01:58 am (UTC)
Relationships are messy and painful and we've all experienced it. It's awful and wonderful to see.

SO TRUE! And so well put. I love how you worded this.

...Terry Pratchitt and Neil Gaiman's book Good Omens

I just put "Good Omens" on my "to read" list on Goodreads.com! Yay!

Thanks so much for coming by!!

(Anonymous)
Sep. 19th, 2009 04:19 am (UTC)
Episode 5.2 Good God Ya'll
Hi gaelicspirit -Its Meggin

I've been scrambling to find out the details of teh last ten minutes of the show. Because the Digital signal got weak and the image tiled and the sound cut out and the screeen went blank a couple of times. ARRRRGAHHH! So I missed the all importnt EMO ending.

But until I can find a way to view the Episode again, from what I can gather happened it was a HUGE moment of a heart wrenching desision to be smart and play it safe for the both of them. Kripke said that this season the boys would grow up and I think this was just a peak of what they have grown strong enough to do. Separate if it is for the best.

I heard that Dean offered Sammy (not Sam, but Sammy) the Impala without blinking an eye. That was so spot on correct for the psychological moment. When everything you love is going to walk away-material possesions mean NOTHING. And the offer was one way that Sammy would still be safer driving her, portected by her if Dean couldn't be there by his side. IT WAS HUGE. And I heard Sammy brushed his hand in a wistful and lovingly caress over her finish as he walked over to his ride. How much emotional infusion was in that hand gesture HUH? They are leaving eachother company out of anger, but because this is the only way they can maximise their chances of safty. It was heart wrenching, but it had to be done.

I did get to see the scene withthe Amulet and as soon as Cas mentioned the word I knew! My jaw dropped open and stayed that way until my tongue felt dry (LOL) Dean had been wearing a God detector all that time and he never knew it. If anyone could have used a means of finding God Dean sure could have. I felt like doing that classic jig that Walter Houston did in 'Treasure of Seirra Madre'- When Bogey an Co. discover they'd been camping on the vein of gold for days-"You dang fools it was right under yer nose this whole time!"
But Dean sure didn't want to give that amulet over to Cas right away did he? No sir. It didn't matter to him this was a genuine article, it was precious to him because Sammy had given it to him-nuf said.
And did anyone notice how incredibly lovely each and every closeup of Jensen's face was this episode. Was he wearing lipstick or are his lips just that lucious? Did they put mascara on his lashes or are they just that thick. And his facial expressions were the most scrumptiously subtle and timed so perfectly that he had you in the moment with him.
(fans self as it seems suddenly warm in here)
Anyway those were the two most salient points for me in this episode, that the deep feelings Dean has for Sam are still there and that Sam finaly cowboyed up to own his weakness and would rather keep Dean safe by being abscent that stay dependant on his older brother and possibly be a cause of harm to him. Very brave of Sam. Very brave of Dean to let him go.
The only thing is...everytime they are separtated bad things happen. One or the other gets in trouble. And a rescue in the nick of time ensues. Hmmmmm. There better be pie.
Now I must go off and in my best imprsession of "Pinky and the Brain" Kill all Digital TV and their inferior signal bearing powers!
gaelicspirit
Sep. 21st, 2009 02:03 am (UTC)
Re: Episode 5.2 Good God Ya'll
ARGH! I am frustrated FOR you! Do you have iTunes? The episode was available for download the next day. I hope you get to see it because the facial expressions, the way Dean holds his eyes on Sam's face, the tightening of jaws, and how utterly sad Sam looks as he walks away from the Impala... guh.

I am so glad you came by to share your thoughts -- I nodded as I read this whole comment.

Anyway those were the two most salient points for me in this episode, that the deep feelings Dean has for Sam are still there and that Sam finaly cowboyed up to own his weakness and would rather keep Dean safe by being abscent that stay dependant on his older brother and possibly be a cause of harm to him. Very brave of Sam. Very brave of Dean to let him go.

So true.

The only thing is...everytime they are separtated bad things happen. One or the other gets in trouble.

SO TRUE! I think this is what I'm most looking forward to, actually! :)

Thanks again! See you next week?
bubbles759
Sep. 19th, 2009 06:54 am (UTC)
OH. MY. GOD! I love thsi episode. It broke my heart, and I can't wait to see how they resolve this.

First... Poor Bobby. Did the angels just magically forget that Zach told them Bobby would never walk again, or did they just think it wouldn't matter? And he looked so much smaller sitting in that wheelchair. The symbol on the ribs was really cool, and when Cas called on the cell phone it took me a second to realies why he wasn't just popping up out of thin air. I was yelling at the screen'it's Dean's amulet idiots', but the look on Dean's face when he gave it up. Oh Dean! I just want to give him a hug. So next question? Why Dean? Why did Sam give the amulet to Dean when he was supposed to give it to John? Is that one of the reason's John didn't break in Hell and thus start the seals breaking, and Dean did? Too many questions not enough answers.

When they got to the town, I was expecting the same shot you were, of the two boys with the guns, and I sorta went "huh? Where's the really really cool shot I've seen? Maybe I missed it?" but apparently not. Ellen's holy water throwing, and hugging of Dean was so typically female. It's nice that the boys have another parental figure around to worry about them. Especially after the ending.

The nice brotherly moment was there and it was so touching. It was almost like they aere who they were before all this went down. And I had to laugh at the soldier and Dean's conversation about where they served *grins

I loved the Roger character, and I'm loving the mythology this season looks set to bring us. The others should be very interesting if Roger is anything to go by

'Pit stop tp Mt Doom?" Haha, anytime you boys want to visit NZ I'll take the 3 hour flight and walk you there myself. But I did have the thought about the 'one ring' when they cut his finger off. It was very reminisent of the first battle in the first LOTR movie.

I have to say I saw the ending coming too. And as much as I hate it they do need to be seperated and do their won things for a while. Get their heads together and be their own people before they work together again.

I'm glad that Sam declined the offer of the Impala. I feel that Dean needs something to keep him grounded and now without the amulet, or Sam, the Impala is really the only connection to his family he has left. And he has such a huge weight on his shoulders I think he needs the time alone. He needs to get himself together and he can't do that with Sam around. Sam has always been Dean's focus and he needs to learn to focus on himself, that he is worth that focus, and that not everything is about Sam. Sometimes I see a flicker of regret in Dean's eyes. Does he regret saving Sam? Does he regret selilng his soul? Or does he regret that he couldn't do what his father asked him to do and kill Sam when he couldn't save him? Does he still think he can save him? Is letting him go the only way he could stay sane and save Sam at the same time? Is this his way of saving him, of apologising for bringing him back into the world of hunting? A way of telling him he's sorry he couldn't have his normal life, or just that he still see's Sam as more important that himself, and that he doesn't really see his life going anywhere, whereas he always could see the potential in Sam? And now I'm rambling but I hope it makes sense.

I'm with you in that I don't think we'll see our boys together for at least 2-3 episodes and I don't think they'll come together til the very end of whatever episode it is.

Great ramble as always. Can't wait for next week

Danni xo
bubbles759
Sep. 19th, 2009 08:08 am (UTC)
Oh, and I forgot to mention the music *sheepish grin. I've been in love with the music for every episode, but the music for this one. Wow. The Foreigner song for the opening just set the tome for the whle episode, if not part of the season. It captures the boys, their journey so far, and what's to come so perfectly.

There, think I've got it all out now.

Cya
Danni xo
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chiiyo86
Sep. 19th, 2009 09:50 am (UTC)
Thanks as always for the recap! I loved, loved this episode. Of course it broke my heart - starting with the moment when Dean gives his amulet to Castiel.

But now he’s stuck in a situation that is exactly opposite. He can’t believe what he sees. If he believes what he sees it could get him killed.

Interesting observation. Don't know yet what to make of it, but it's interesting.

It’s funny to me that the bad guy’s mocking is the thing that makes Sam get honest with himself. Not funny ‘ha ha.’ Interesting funny.

Yeah, it's funny. War probably wanted Sam to feel bad and unsure of himself, but instead he pushed him to make a decision.

The comparison between this moment and the moment in Season 2 when Dean comes clean about what John made him promise… it’s so heart-wrenching what their paths have led them to.

Oh, didn't think of that. So much have changed since then.

I rewatched the ending twice (and got all teary again) and I think that when Sam tells Dean about him missing the feeling the blood gave him, Dean was really uncomfortable, not wanting to hear that. All his life, he has hold onto the thought that Sam was somehow better than him. Now he can see that it's not true and he probably needs some time to be ok with this idea. So separation is good, yes. But oh, does it hurt.
gaelicspirit
Sep. 21st, 2009 02:12 am (UTC)
Hey there! Thank you so much for coming by and sharing your thoughts! I loved reading this post. I hope to see you again this week!
lovinjackson
Sep. 19th, 2009 01:00 pm (UTC)
You know? I love you lol

I can get so angry (more angry than I should as we discussed on the phone) and then I come and read your review and I can breathe again so that brings me back to I love you lol ... DITTO, dude!

*hugs*
gaelicspirit
Sep. 21st, 2009 02:13 am (UTC)
*grin*

THANK YOU! I need to get through these replies and then I'll bounce over to read yours.

I'm glad you can breathe again, my friend. That builds me up.
arafel979
Sep. 19th, 2009 03:56 pm (UTC)
So, I am able to be here early this week, but I am sitting at my computer wondering what to write...
This I guess...

"You know? I love you lol

I can get so angry (more angry than I should as we discussed on the phone) and then I come and read your review and I can breathe again so that brings me back to I love you lol ... DITTO, dude!

*hugs*"

So much word to this comment.

You know that I post at another site and sometimes, I wish I didn't and I could just come to places like this where you and most here just "get it", but something always pulls me back to that place, in spite of the beating of the dead horse issues and the absolute refusal to see what the writers are so clearly trying to tell us sometimes-even, at times, going so far as to spelling it out in their interviews. Our brothers' relationship was unhealthy. They fed each others weaknesses, while not allowing their individual strengths to grow. The parting hurts like Hell but it was oh-so-necssary-for growth-for BOTH of them and part of Dean's growth has to involve letting go of the 27-year-old man-child who is Sam, so that Sam can grow into a true man. The protector role is wonderful and awwww-inspiring, but it is also hurtful and damaging to both of them in it's excess, and it could potentially spell the end of humanity if Dean is not allowed to become all that he can be to stop the Apocalypse-and Sam is not allowed to become strong enough to deal with his addiction on his own-which he'll have to if he hopes to overcome it. Sam said it-he is a danger to everyone; he MUST step back from the hunt at a time when Dean simply CANNOT(And Man! Sam's "I thought there would be more of a fight" had to hurt Dean as much as Dean's NOT putting up a fight hurt Sam). The fandom must understand that Dean HAD to let go and while necessary, it was the hardest thing he has ever had to do-to send Sammy away by agreeing with him-because he still loves him so much! Goddess, that squeezing of the eyes tightly before he said those words "I think you're right."-killed. me. dead.-because all Dean has ever really wanted is for his family to be together. The love for, protection of, and devotion to them, has, up to now, fueled Dean's entire life-but it can't any more. Sam can't be more important than the
world-a world that both of them have put at great risk because of their unhealthy
attachment to each other. I know the fandom loves the dysfunctional love, but you
know what, it has to be made right or the world's going to burn. And not to be a further wet blanket, but even when they come back together, I still think there's going to be some big-time work ahead for Little Brother.

"Sam starts to speak, and Dean tries to stop him with a “we don’t have to do this.” But they do have to. Dean can’t deny it anymore. He can’t stave off the inevitable with motion. No amount of pretending it’s all going to be okay is going to make it okay. They couldn’t keep going on like this. Sam couldn’t fight by his brother’s side, knowing Dean didn’t trust him, not knowing how to make it better between them. Dean couldn’t keep moving forward, all-go-no-quit and hoping that somehow something was going to ease and the rock in his chest was going to move and let him breathe again."

"Dean says that he “spends more time worry about you than doing the job” and right now he can’t afford that. It’s not possible (in my mind) for them to go through everything they’ve been through, and not take a break from each other. Sometimes you have to lose something to know how much you need it. You have to see your life without your constant, without your balance—and you have to do it willingly. Not by death or denial. Not by disappearance or escape. By choice.

And then you have to come back together by choice. You have to see what would become of you if you didn’t have the other side of your coin.

The definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect different results. And our guys aren’t crazy."

All this, just yes...simply and so beautifully stated, Gaelic.


gaelicspirit
Sep. 21st, 2009 02:23 am (UTC)
Hi you.

I worked my way down through each comment to this ramble, trying to balance a care for their comments/opinions with an honest response. It's not always easy, but the people who come by seem for the most part to instinctively understand that their opinion will be heard and considered.

Which makes me really sad to hear that you've gone to other sites/places that have brought you down. I know one place you frequent -- the TVGuide.com blog -- and I haven't been there yet for this episode. I don't know that I will be now. This episode wore me out. Replying, thinking about it, speculating, wondering... yeah. I just need a break until next Thursday.

Isn't it a wonder that a show does this to us? I'm going to go to your Part 2. But, I wanted you to know that I'm really, really glad you came by. I hope I see you every week.
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