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Stream of Consciousness, Episode 5.04

The Eye

ARGH! LiveJournal was down when I finished this last night. Had to wait until this morning to post. My apologies.

I am still in SPN-love overdrive.

 

 

*is bouncing*

Can I just say? I’ve never been happier to lose a bet in my life.

*tips pint to Amy Blair*

Last week I had a bit of an epiphany. I realized that by taking these rambles as seriously as I had been, I was leeching the enjoyment of the actual show from myself. I worried about how people would react to this phrase or that scene, about what people might say to the personal aspects of the review… it was, in a word, silly.

So, this week, I watched with enjoyment of a story well-told and expertly paced, with anticipation for the next move, and with complete appreciation for the unbygodbelievablly good-looking actors we get to watch every. Single. Week.

Good Lord.

With that? Let’s ramble on…

THEN

Croatoan is back! The Colt is back! As a side note? Microsoft Word doesn’t recognize “Croatoan.” Wants to change it to “Croatian.” I find that hilarious for no good reason.

NOW

I remember watching an interview with Kripke once upon a time where he stated that the show was, at its base, about family. And family can turn you inside out and backwards faster than you can blink. They are your last line of defense, your first enemy, your only friend. Family knows all your buttons and just the right order to push them. Family can curse you, save you, betray you, protect you, and if you’re really lucky, love you completely without the necessity of complete understanding.

Ironically, this show—this show about the impossible or the unbelievable or the please don’t be real—has taught me a big lesson about family. A lesson I, mistakenly, thought I already knew. Sometimes it feels good to be wrong.

I love—love—the journey we’ve taken in just four episodes. We spent a year watching our heroes be slowly torn asunder, and so far they’ve hit bottom, parted ways, and reunited and it’s been a freakin’ rush to watch.

*takes deep breath* I’m so bouncy right now it’s ridiculous.

So, Dean pulls up to a hotel, Impala rumbling nicely, and there’s a street preacher trying to prep souls for the Rapture. When he catches Dean’s attention, he eyes him a bit too long and I instantly think “demon.”

Do you think it’s bad that everyone in the show that gives me a hinky vibe I’m all “DEMON! DEMON!” What have they done to me?

Anyway, Dean is in the motel—conveniently with a kitchenette—talking to Cas on a cell phone. These Enochian sigils sure make for some interesting angel/human conversations. Dean says that talking to an angel on a cell phone is, “Like watching a Hells Angel ride a moped.”

“Not funny – says I’m almost out of minutes.” Cas is panicking. It shouldn’t be funny, but it totally is. Anyway, Cas says that if Dean is hell-bent (no pun intended) on killing Lucifer, that he needs to find the Colt. It’s the way to go. *nods* Okay, sure. It is, after all, The Gun That Can Kill Anything.

Which… makes me wonder… who the hell was Samuel Colt anyway? If he made a gun that can kill LUCIFER?? Holy. Crap. Did he pull a Daniel Webster or something? Only with God? That’s… interesting.

Dean thinks demons have melted gun by now. But Cas says no. And then? Did ya’ll hear my squee? Dean was in KANSAS CITY!! *laughs* Can’t believe I’m going to say this, but he should probably stop coming back to Kansas altogether since the last two times he’s been plucked from the here and now and transported forwards and backwards in time.

Cas is like, “I’ll be right there.” And Dean has to remind him that he’s human and he just drove 16 hours and needs to do stuff… like eat and sleep. And because I’m a geek, I hear “driving 16 hours” and Turn the Page pops into my head. “You don’t feel much like riding… you just wish the day were through.”

Dean tells Cas to give him at least four hours. Cas says he will just… wait here then. And there he stands. Right there. *giggle* Sorry, but poor Cas being Cas totally had me laughing.

Dean’s cell buzzes. “Dammit, Cas, I need to sleep.”

But it isn’t Cas. It’s Sam. And Dean’s sleepy vocalization of his brother’s name had me all mushy. I instantly wondered if this was the first time he’d heard from Sam since the picnic table. And how much time had passed. Days? Weeks? Dean gets a beer, sounding very matter of fact about the information that Sam is to be Lucifer’s vessel. “Just when you thought you were out, they pull you back in.”

Sam’s all, “That’s it?”

Dean’s numb to the earth-shattering revelations. Which, y’know, after a few of these, you’d really have to start simply accepting. I’ve learned that human beings can get used to almost anything.

Sam says he wants back in. He’s sick of being a puppet. As a side note, he’s driving. He’s not at the bar, and for that I’m grateful. I didn’t want him to stay put after Lucifer found him in his dreams. Dreams are close enough. Get movin’, Sammy.

Dean’s like, we’re back to revenge? His face is carefully blank, unwilling to allow even the smallest trace of reaction slip under his words as he speaks. Sam says no, it’s not revenge. It’s redemption. Sam wants to prove it to Dean.

Dean looks pained. He closes his eyes and the small laugh lines around the edges deepen as he pulls his brows together. His lips tremble and he presses them together quickly just before he forces his next words out. “It doesn’t matter, whatever we do. We should just pick a hemisphere and stay away from each other.”

Dean says that they’re not stronger when they’re together, they’re weaker. Whatever they have – love, family – they are always going to use it against them. I wanted to grab him, shake him, remind him of how desperately he’d wanted his family to stay together, how he’d said virtually the opposite words to his father four years ago.

And then it hit me. He’d said virtually the opposite words to his father. And John died. For Dean. And Sam died. And Dean sold his soul for Sam. And he went to Hell. And keeping his family together—the one thing he’d always wanted—was the one thing that brought his world—the world—crashing down around is ears.

I know you all will have so much more to say and with a lot more coherence, but at this hour with the episode still ringing in my ears, all I can think is that Dean is running scared from the one thing he always thought he wanted. And if that’s not the devil at work, I don’t know what is.

With his voice trembling, Dean says they’re better off apart. That they have a better chance of dodging the bullets if they just go their own ways.

Looking as if he’s about to cry, Sam pleads, “Dean don’t do this.”

Dean says goodbye and hangs up.

Next thing you know, the old alarm clock is cracked, broken, and Dean, dressed in that blue denim shirt that I love—2nd only to the gray T-shirt from Hookman—is waking. Only… he’s been sleeping on bedsprings. In a destroyed, burned-out motel room. He gets up, looking around, completely confused, and peers out through the window at Kansas City circa 28 Days Later.

He walks out of the ruined hotel—weaponless—and starts to wander the streets. It’s silent. Everything is burned, broken, destroyed. There is graffiti on the walls, cars overturned, and no people. None.

I’m waiting for a car alarm to scare me to death.

He hears breaking glass and see’s a little girl crouching in the middle of the street. His voice gets soft and friendly as he’s trying to get her to talk to him. She flips out, showing him her vacant-yet-insane-Zombie eyes and slashes at him with a piece of glass. He cries out and flinches as if she’s cut his side. After he knocks her out, he looks at his side again.

Dear CW. Please unclench and allow realistic blood to grace our heroes—especially after battle. Thank you.

I’m sure it’s the fanfic writer in me, or perhaps the sickness that got me into writing fanfiction in the first place, but is it too much to ask for some blood in the water? He’s cut with glass and then we never see or hear anything of the wound again. He’s cracked over the head and his pretty face is unmarked. In the premiere, the Vin Diesel Demon beat the ever-lovin’ crap outta him and we saw nary a bruise or bloody lip.

Seriously! Okay. That’s all. I’m done. Promise.

Just as he turns from his (apparently Buffy-like, fast-healing) wound, he sees “CROATOAN” spray-painted on a wall and utters a “Oh, crap” right along with me. I am loving how each little thread of the story we’ve been seeing for all this time is starting to reveal its significance. And… maybe I have an answer to something that has been bugging the crap out of me.

That “it had to be you, Sam, it always had to be you” line that I’m starting to hate? Perhaps its origins weren’t as far back as we thought. Perhaps it came from Season 2. Thinking aloud here for a moment. Sam was just one of a crop of Special Kids who were all tested in one way or another. But Sam was exposed to the Croatoan virus and was unaffected. Maybe that’s why it had to be him.

Then again… why wasn’t he affected? Why was he a SUPER-Special Kid? Okay, so, yeah, it probably does go back further. And I can’t think on it too much tonight. Talk amongst yourselves and get back to me.

Back in Bizarro Kansas City, a group of Croatoan-zombies come around the corner and Dean high-tails it  through burned-out KC (which isn’t such a leap of imagination for some parts of KC) and is trapped by a chain-linked fence. He looks really good running. I love what they decided to do with the color. 2009Dean in the denim blue really stands out from the grayed-out future people. His skin looks thicker, darker, more alive. He just beats life while everyone else looks like they are just waiting to die.

Anyway, some Army dudes come around the corner and start shooting up Zombies to the tune of “Do you Love Me.” Baby never saw this kind of Dirty Dancing. Dean sneaks away under the cover of gunfire and runs into the night, slipping through another fence and seeing a sign marking it a “hot zone” as of August 1, 2014.

I was instantly reminded of Dark Angel’s “Terminal City” boundary markers. Wonder if Jensen was as well. Thanks to agentspookey I saw some of the Vancouver panels and heard that they filmed this episode on the Watchmen set. Now that’s cool.

Dean manages to find a car that still has four wheels and an engine and heads…away. Zach shows up in passenger seat and scares him to death. He’s casually reading the paper. This angel’s arrogance should be enough to banish him from the pearly gates. I mean, seriously. When Cas sent Dean to the past, he was almost apologetic about it, sorry for the pain that Dean would have to witness—knowing that he wouldn’t be able to change anything.

But Zach? He’s all, oh, you’re so gonna learn your lesson. I am the great and powerful Zach! *Gaelic growls* He irritates me. Greatly.

So… Palin is president. Must be the apocalypse. It’s crazy how sly the writers are about inserting their political slants into the different aspects of the show. And, Irish, I’m sorry, but I didn’t see who wrote this one. If I had to guess—based on dialog—I’d say Jeremy Carver was their Republican and whoever wrote this? Democrat all the way.

Anyway, there are no more sports, no more right to assembly because of the Croatoan virus. “Bible freaks” are now working for angels. To sum up, Zach says Dean has to have 3 days in the future to convince him to say yes to Michael. “This is what happens to the world if you continue to say no.”

And he’s off like a prom dress. Hey, prom dresses seemed to be a theme.

Dean heads to Bobby’s… but, there’s no Bobby—just a tipped-over wheelchair with bloody bullet holes. A few months ago, I wrote a zine story called “Blue Collar Man.” It was about Bobby, told mostly from his perspective. It was written before the end of Season 4 and included some speculations I have/had about Bobby’s fate. With the talk of Sam’s redemption and finding that empty wheelchair… I couldn’t help but be reminded. Also? The condition of the house looked like Bobby’s death hadn’t been long before. So, he’s still in a wheelchair five years later, huh? *is sad*

Dean heads to a super-secret fireplace stash place for John’s journal. At least I’m assuming it was John’s journal. It could have been Bobby’s, but I’m pretty sure it was John’s. Feel free to correct me. In it, toward the end, Dean finds pic of guys with guns (including Cas) at Camp Chitakwa. I think the insinuation that they’ve continued John’s journal is fabulous. It’s apparently a practice so ingrained Dean knew that Bobby would have kept it up. Nice touch.

Dean heads to the camp, see’s the Impala—or what’s left of her—through the fence. Can I just be very shallow for a moment and say that hearing him say the word baby turns me to jelly? “Baby, no!” “What have they done to you, baby?” Before he can get an answer, he’s knocked out by… himself. Ouch.

And futureDean? Looks BAD. ASS. He holds his mouth with pursed lips like Michael Biehn’s Kyle Reese. Very life has lost all meaning other than fighting, surviving, and the mission. It’s disturbing and attractive at the same time.

2009Dean wakes up cuffed and suddenly it’s Dean V Dean and OMG I pretty much went into ovary overdrive. 2014Dean eliminates all the supernatural stuff and reveals that, “You had every hidden lock pick box cutter, and switchblade that I carry…” 2009Dean tells him it’s ‘cause of Zach, which gets 2014Dea,n’s attention. He wants to know where Zach is, but of course ourDean doesn’t exactly know.

To prove he’s him, ourDean tells futureDean about Rhonda Hurley when they were 19. She made him try on her pink satiny panties and… he kinda liked it. Touche! The smirk they shared? Good God, people. Jensen had to be exhausted after filming this episode. He knocked both performances out of the park.

I mean, we thought ourDean was jaded? Rough around the edges? Broken and twisted? So much darker and lost since Season 1? Dude, he didn’t have anything on his future self. FutureDean was hollow. He used people as pawns in a deadly chess game, detached himself from humanity. His eyes were colder, his face tighter, his jaw harder.

The performance was down to the voices. It was like watching Christian Bale play both Bruce Wayne and Batman—unmasked—at the same time in the same room. FutureDean’s voice was almost an octave deeper, gravely, like it had been damaged. His sentences were clipped, his words rough. He barked rather than actually spoke. The five years, the fighting, the destruction, the loss… it had changed him until the only thing that was really recognizable as Dean were his obvious good looks, his affect on women, and his ease with weapons.

Looking at ourDean, I almost saw innocence return. I saw him still believe—in the possibility of something. He held on to his cocky wit, his raised eyebrow sarcasm, his thank you Captain Obvious observations. He was… refreshing.

It was a phenomenal, applause-worthy, get-me-bouncy performance.

Where was I? Oh, right. Dean V Dean. 2009Dean asks about Sam and futureDean tells him that there was a big showdown in Detroit and Sam didn’t make it. OurDean is shocked that he wasn’t there when it happened… that he never went to go look for Sam… that they haven’t talked in about 5 years. The fact that futureDean is so passive about this loss, about this rendering of souls visibly guts ourDean.

And this is when I started bouncing. Because, after all, it’s about family. And I knew that hanging on for the ride was going to pay off in spades.

FutureDean has to run an errand and leaves ourDean cuffed.

“You don’t trust yourself?” HA! Oh, my, what a field day Freud would have with Dean(s).

Dean calls himself a dick. Heh. Then digs a nail from the floor to pick the cuffs. Ouch. Guess futureDean took all of his paperclips, too. As he exits the room where he was held, he runs into Chuck (nice to see him around). Apparently Chuck isn’t a prophet anymore or he would have probably seen this coming. Or not… if Zach’s just messing with time. But, I suppose, if the angels have left, there’s nothing “helping” Chuck to “see” anymore.

Dean is “jumped” by Reesa and hides behind Chuck because, apparently, he (or, rather futurehe) spent the night in Jane’s cabin last night. As Reesa storms off, disgruntled about their apparently lost “connection,” Dean grumbles that he’s getting busted for stuff he hasn’t even done yet, then goes to find Cas.

Who… is talking a group of laydeez through an orgy. I know it’s completely irreverent, but I have to laugh. Stoned, scruffy, why-don’t-we-get-drunk-and-screw Cas is adorably hilarious. And exactly what I was worried about with the whole “angel in a whorehouse” issue from last episode.

I wasn’t being prudish with my worry. I wasn’t attempting to sit in judgment of a “sin.” I was simply worried about the loss of power an angel would experience the more human he became. And having one more human on their side, really, isn’t going to make much of a difference in the long run. But! Having an angel on their side will! So, Cas needs to not fall. That’s all I was trying to say.

‘Cause fallen, human, mojo-less Cas is generally stoned and takes months to heal. Not good.

While ourDean is with a very giggly Cas, futureDean returns from mission and ends up killing one of his men (who was apparently infected) right in front of ourDean and a couple of his own men. OurDean is shocked by futurehis actions, while the other people are looking at the younger version of their “fearless leader” with pure WTF expressions.

Sounding very much like himself for a moment, futureDean says, “Dammit,” then, “Me and him? Pretty messed up situation. When you need to know something you will know it.”

Hello, John Winchester.

And we have ourselves an angry face off back inside of a cabin-type place. OurDean can’t believe futureDean’s actions and tries to call him on it, feeling, no doubt, that he was watching himself do things he’d never in a million years imagine himself doing. Not even after 40 years of torture and torturing in Hell. Not even after all he’d lost. OurDean would never have killed a man in cold blood (as he saw it).

“Pluggin’ some Croat is commonplace. Trading words with my clone might’ve freaked ‘em out a little.”

FutureDean pours them a drink and shows him the Colt. He’d apparently been tracking it for five years—the demons kept moving it around. Okay, let’s assume that’s true, that the demons have it and are moving it around so that hunters can’t find it. That would insinuate that it does have some significance—or perhaps that it can’t be destroyed. Because why in the world would they keep The Gun That Can Kill Anything (if you’re close enough) around?? I’ll be watching for that explanation in the show (or elsewhere).

FutureDean says he’s going to use the Colt to kill the devil tonight. And I love how he bites his lip right after he takes a sip of whiskey. Good Freakin’ God.

Future Dean calls a meeting with ourDean, Cas, and Reesa and is called out on his womanly dalliances. Whoops. Turns out, also? FutureDean tortured a demon to get the intel on where Lucifer is. OurDean sarcastically mutters, “Classic” and Cas giggles, earning a stony glare from futureDean.

“What? I like past you.”

Lucifer is holed up in the middle of a hot zone. Cas thinks it’s reckless. Or insouciant. Either way, unwise. FutureDean is like, too damn bad, this is going down tonight. Everyone goes out to get “loaded and on the road by midnight.” OurDean demands to know what’s really going on—why he’s going (‘cause if he gets killed, it’s lights out for futureDean) and future Dean lays it down for him.

Sam didn’t die in Detroit. He said Yes. To Lucifer. OurDean looks utterly destroyed by this information.

FutureDean wants his past self to see it. To really see how bad it can get. That a ruined planet and millions dead or infected isn’t really, truly bad. It’s seeing the epitome of all evil wearing your brother. It’s seeing Sam’s face and not Sam’s eyes. It’s knowing you failed in your one job.

FutureDean BEGS ourDean to go back to his time and say yes to Michael. That he’s tried but the angels all left and aren’t listening anymore. Says if he could do it all over again he would. He looks desperate. Sounds desperate. And ourDean is affected by it. He swallows rapidly, tights his lips, says there has to be another way. His eyes hold a shell-shocked expression at the knowledge that while Sam may not have actually been killed, he’s still dead and worse, he gave in. And Dean wasn’t there to stop it. FutureDean says all of this would never be if Dean would only say yes.

But he knows Dean won’t because that’s not what they do.

“I was wrong.” FutureDean’s voice is infused with regret and sorrow and the desperation of someone who realizes that nothing they do or say is going to make a damn bit of difference.

*Gaelic dies from doubleDean angst overload*

As they’re all heading out, Chuck gives 2009Dean a piece of advice—HOARD toilet paper. BWAH!!!! OMG, I hope they never get rid of Chuck. I love that nervous little guy.

In a car (or maybe a truck?) Cas and ourDean have a heart to heart about his being human and Cas says he used to belong to a much better club and is now powerless… Why not bury himself in women and decadence…

“That’s just how I roll.” Hmmm… So, I think the purpose of this little conversation was twofold: to show us how very, very, very much we want Cas to stay an angel, and to give Dean one more inkling that he could do so much more good with an angel inside of him than he could as just a lowly, little human. Like the first, hate the second, but both are useful in their own right.

As the group is walking down the street in the hotzone, I am struck once again by the utter bad assness of futureDean. Yowza. OurDean follows the group (still weaponless?? WTH, at least give him a pistol!) looking full of color and wary. As they crouch undercover before infiltrating the building, ourDean calls the other Dean over for a quick chat.  

He wants to know why he’s lying—that he knows his lying tells, he sees them in the mirror every day… ooo, ouch—and he finds out that futureDean is ready to sacrifice his friends and Cas to a meatgrinder so that they can go through the back and get the jump on LuciferSam. He knows it’s a trap. But he doesn’t care. The “greater good” has taken over all meaning and futureDean has lost his compass on what does and should truly matter. OurDean says he’s not going to let him do it and futureDean clocks him, knocking him cold. Damn. Shoulda seen that one coming.

OurDean wakes in time to see firefight through windows of the brick building and goes around back to see futureDean on the ground, a white foot at his neck, and CRACK. FutureDean is dead.

Camera pans up, and it’s Sam’s face. He turns. “Oh, hello Dean.”

LuciferSam is dressed like Boss Hogg. Seriously. Minus the ginormous white hat. He’s all in white and the shoes? The shoes are dreadful. But, I digress. It is the devil after all. Can’t expect him to have taste. Only… I seem to remember an episode of Smallville—back when I watched it… y’know, before they killed off Jason Teague in such a ridiculous manner and then went to Bizarro World—where Lex Lucifer saw himself as ruler of the world, standing on a bloody field of skulls, dressed all in white. I bet his shoes were dreadful, too.

Dean’s is a study in horror, terror, disgust, regret, and sorrow as he stares at the thing inhabiting his brother’s body. He opens his arms, telling Lucifer to just kill him.

LuciferSam is all, “Why would I want to kill you?” He gets all soft voice and reaches out to lay a gentle hand on Dean’s shoulder (which Dean flinches away) then tells Dean it had to be your brother.

STOP SAYING THAT. Make them stop saying that without a viable reason. If it had to be Sam because of the Croatoan virus, I can accept that. But if it’s more than that, they’d better tell us before it’s all said and done or I’m going to be very put out.

LuciferSam starts to talk about why he was banished—that he loved God over everything and then God had to go and make us hairless apes and commanded the angels to love us and Lucy just couldn’t do that. Serious Daddy issues here. The first time he told it? To Nick? I actual did have some sympathy for the devil. This time, I just felt sick. To hear the contempt in his voice—the utter disregard Lucifer has for humans—and then to be asked if the punishment fit the crime? Hell yeah!

Thing is, it’s not any different for us. I was taught that God cannot abide sin. He simply cannot be around it, period, because he is perfect. Hell, therefore, is simply eternal separation from God. From all things good. If we sin without forgiveness, we go to Hell. And sinning includes breaking a commandment. Lucifer was commanded to love humans. To protect us. To guard us. And he broke it.

So, quit crying about it and accept your punishment or ask forgiveness. All this “I am so misunderstood” crap is just digging a deeper hole into the depths of Hell.

Dean listens to his brother’s voice speaking the words of a snake, his chin trembling, his eyes pooling with tears. He has three-day scruff framing his jaw (NICE touch, that) and his whole body is taut. Having to watch Sam’s face, hear Sam’s voice—not even black, red, or yellow eyes to help the situation. LuciferSam actually looks like Sam. Like Sam did when he fought Dean in Levee. Like Sam did just before he stepped through the door, leaving Dean gasping and bleeding on the floor. And it had to break Dean’s heart.

LuciferSam wraps up his “please understand me” story with a, “Look what 6 million of you have done to this thing and how many of you blame me for it.”

And Dean doesn’t buy it. “Stop with the sympathy for the devil crap.” YAYZ!!! *Gaelic bounces on the couch* Dean’s struggle with faith, with believing in something, with what was right and what was wrong… his walk in the gray after living in a world of black and white… it culminated in the moment he called the devil’s bluff.

His voice shaking with disgust, rage, and tears, he spit out that, “You’re the same thing only bigger – the same brand of cockroach I’ve been squashing my whole life. The only difference between them and you is the size of your ego.”

His eyes are luminous in the flash of lightening.

LuciferSam says he, “gets what the other angels see in him.”

Dean bellows that he’d,”better kill me now or I swear I will find a way to kill you.” His voice is shaking. His body is shaking. And a tear falls.

GUUUHHH. My heart is hammering just reliving this mentally to write my ramble. I needed to be psyched up by the show, and this episode—this moment—took me into overdrive. This moment was so freakin’ pivotal and Dean owned it. He faced the Devil Himself—housed in his baby brother’s body—and told him he was going to kill him.

Hey—he was right when he told the same thing to Azaezel. I’m just sayin’. This isn’t our world. It’s a world where vampires live, werewolves feed, spirits haunt, creatures we only read about it books are hunted and killed. It’s a world where souls can be bartered and pulled free of Hell. It’s a world where angels walk among us and demons can die. There’s no doubt in my mind that it’s a world where a human being can find a way to kill the devil.

LuciferSam twists Sam’s lips into a sad smirk saying, “I know you won’t say yes to Michael, and I know you won’t stop, and I know you won’t kill Sam, so you will always end up here. I win.”

Dean tries to stop his jaw from shaking as his tears fall, hate for this thing laced through his words.

“You’re wrong.”

In a dizzying flash, the Devil leaves, Zach shows up, and Dean is zapped back to now. Dean is leaning weakly against the kitchenette sink back in good ol’ Kansas City and Zach is very much in his personal space, his ego filling the room as he confidently glots that “you saw what happens, so now you HAVE TO say yes.”

Dean steps around him, walking away, facing the camera. He looks like someone is digging a white-hot knife into his gut, but he says, “Nah.”

Zach is seriously about to come unglued. “After all of this you haven’t learned your lesson?”

Dean’s like, “oh I have, just not the one you wanted to teach.” GLEE!!! I wanted for Sam to walk through the door right then. I wanted Dean to punch Zach in the nose. I was literally clapping.

Zach gets rather worked up about he’s going to have to teach the lesson again. “I got you now, boy!” And then… Dean poofs away. And Zach is left with a, “Son of a…” *giggle*

Cas to the rescue! “We had an appointment.” I love love LOVE dead-panned Cas.

“Don’t ever change.” I think Dean wanted to hug him. Hell, I wanted to hug him. Dean pulls out his cell.

“What are you doing?”

“Something I should have done in the first place.” YAYZ!!!

Dean is leaning against the (now intact, thank goodness) Impala on a dirt road behind a trail trestle, waiting—and I swear it’s the same road where they last saw John before it all went to hell. When they gave him the Colt and watched him drive away—and Sam pulls up in an ugly ass yellow Caddy thing.

Sam gets out of the car and they do some nice camera work here, showing the reunion from both sides. Dean walks up to his brother—his brother… Sammy. Not some creature wearing Sam’s skin. Not Sam Under The Influence. But Sammy. He pulls out Ruby’s knife… or maybe we should call it The Knife That Can Kill Anything (if you can get close enough). Sam kinda inadvertently flinches back.

Dean hands it to him. “If you’re serious and you want back in, hang on to this, I’m sure you’re rusty.”

Sam takes it, watching his brother. Waiting.

Dean closes his eyes briefly, then opens them and looks (up) at Sam. “I’m sorry. I’m… whatever I need to be, but I was wrong. The point is, maybe we are each other’s Achilles heel—maybe they’ll find a way to use us against each other, I don’t know. I just know we’re all we’ve got. We keep each other human.”

Echoes of his own words to his father. Echoes of Sam’s words to Dean. Echoes of realization that you can’t run from your family—you can escape them for awhile, you can forget about them for a bit, you can even feel good for a time, but you always come back. Somehow, in some condition, you always come back.

With his heart seemingly in his throat, Sam says “thank you—really, thank you. I won’t let you down.”

“Oh, I know it – you are the 2nd best hunter on the planet.” *LAUGH!*

Now… they make their own future. What was that line from Terminator II? “There is no future but what we make for ourselves.” The difference between this angelic time machine adventure and the last is that everything Dean saw could be changed and nothing he saw was inevitable. The Devil was wrong. And is wrong. And has always been wrong.

The brothers are back where they’re supposed to be. Trust still has to be rebuilt, doubt may fester and resurface, fear may permeate every move, but they are together.

The hug will come later.

Oh, c’mon. You know you wanted one as badly as I did.

Thanks for reading.

PS

For those of you who read these that also read my fics and might be wondering where Wearing and Tearing is… I am working on it. The last few weeks have been hijacked by finding the right doctor for my daughter’s fever condition and working (and re-working) a chapter of an original story for my writing class.

But the outline is done, the quotes are pulled, the music selected, and all I need is a little bit of time.

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sojourner84
Oct. 2nd, 2009 01:14 pm (UTC)
Awesome episode! Awesome ramble. :) Thanks for sharing.
gaelicspirit
Oct. 2nd, 2009 06:43 pm (UTC)
Thank you! :) Have fun packing.
qultng1
Oct. 2nd, 2009 01:36 pm (UTC)
YES! Completely awesome! This episode totally ROCKED! I love your ramblings, too.

I kept wondering, if Chuck was still around, why hadn't he written things differently?

And the Dean dealing with Dean was awesome. Pink panties? OMG! I believed it. lol

This will end up being one of my favorite episodes of all time. I have to go watch Dean running from the Croats maybe a couple dozen more times. Love the flapping shirts blown back so we can get a better look. *hates layered shirts*

And yes, I was hoping for the hug, too. One of these days. We've waited before, we'll wait again. It's gonna get rocky, I'm sure, but they're going to be stronger and better for it.

Nailed it once again, hon. :)
gaelicspirit
Oct. 2nd, 2009 06:44 pm (UTC)
Thanks so much, Nana! I'm with you on the flapping shirts. *LOVE*

The hug will come when it needs to -- when it's supposed to. I think I just wanted to hug THEM so much. Hee.

See you next time!
chiiyo86
Oct. 2nd, 2009 01:39 pm (UTC)
Hey there!

I am still in SPN-love overdrive.

I've watched the episode just a few hours ago, so me too. Seriously, I can't wrap my mind around how awesome it was. I have a soft spot for post-apocalyptic fics, but I never thought we would actually see that in the show!

And futureDean? Looks BAD. ASS.

I KNOW! Two Deans at the same time was a little too much hotness to bear, but FutureDean also breaks my heart into tiny pieces. Have you noticed how he never smile? Not once. As if he just didn't know how to do it anymore. *sobs*

All the glimpses we had of this apocalyptic setting make me wish for fanfic. Castiel, Chuck, Risa, FutureDean. I want to know how the camp is organized! But I'm sure fandom will provide :)

LuciferSam actually looks like Sam.

Yes, it was the worst thing in all this. When Sam was possessed by Meg, he was behaving in obvious unSam ways. But possessed by Lucifer, he was so Sam it was creepy. Downright to the puppy dog eyes!

About why "it had to be Sam". I don't really have an answer, and maybe Show will give an explanation, but my thought is that we shoudn't take this at face value. Who said that? Azazel, Ruby, Lucifer. To Sam, trying to convince him: it's you, you can't fight it, it's your destiny, why just you don't let it go already. I think it's Sam because he was the last candidate standing. Therefore, if you believe in fate, it had to be him because in the end it is him. Do I make sense?

Yay for new fanfic coming!

Oh, and one last thing: I think it's Ben Edlund who wrote the episode (and I usually never catch who the writer is!).
gaelicspirit
Oct. 2nd, 2009 06:48 pm (UTC)
To Sam, trying to convince him: it's you, you can't fight it, it's your destiny, why just you don't let it go already. I think it's Sam because he was the last candidate standing.

That's definitely an interesting point to consider. I know there has to be some reason... I just haven't been able to put my finger on it yet. :) The whole idea of fate is dizzying.

Thanks so much for reading!!
pinkphoenix1985
Oct. 2nd, 2009 02:13 pm (UTC)
Kansas is very bad for Dean lol

and I know! I hated that he was hurt and then they just ignored it :(
gaelicspirit
Oct. 2nd, 2009 06:49 pm (UTC)
Thanks for reading! Maybe next time we'll get a little blood.
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lovinjackson
Oct. 2nd, 2009 02:15 pm (UTC)
HA! So you thought that he looked like he wanted to hug Cas too. This episode really brought forth my love for OUR Cas, the way Cas is now ... I couldnt stop smiling when Dean touched his shoulder and told him never to change hehe

ANd I agree with you. This whole "It had to be you" thing is getting old without any further explanation as to why it had to be Sam. I'm still banking on vessel blood passesd down, which maybe combined with the demon blood made him the special one, the one that is immune to the Croatoan virus ...well it's something for my mind to mull over until they bloody tell me lol

And dude? DITTO on EVERYTHING. Your reviews never fail to make me smile with the mirrowing thoughts ;) *hugs*
gaelicspirit
Oct. 2nd, 2009 06:50 pm (UTC)
I think I was just hug-happy. :) I was so hyped up about the episode and the fact that they were back together I just wanted a big hug. It's probably girly, but eh, it is what it is.

If the show is no longer airing when you come to the states, we'll just pick one and watch it together, echoing each other's thoughts all along the way.
amyblair3
Oct. 2nd, 2009 02:46 pm (UTC)
CRACK. FIZZ. GUZZLE. Ah,that beer is going to taste even better than I could imagine...

Well, if anyone reads my comments to you, taking the other chair in the balcony, they may be disappointed to find that on this episode? I agree completely with you!

I LOVED THIS EPISODE!

I made notes and there are a few things I will touch on -

Yes, I love Cas. I thought MIsha was so lucky to have an episode like this so we could see him not so deadpanned. We got to see him stoned and relaxed and SMILEY! He has a great smile (one that you and I will enjoy during our photo op with him and Jim Beaver). I was so impressed with him. I loved the zapping of Dean from Zach to him. My two fave lines - "I like past you" and "We had an appointment" were captured well by the show and I love that you called out to them as well.

I cringed by the Jehovah's Witness (I have some One Time stories about my encounters with them, by the way) and I grinned when I saw Dean was in KC. I loved him running from the zombies - it's a TV show, but it felt like a movie.

The phone call from Sam was heartbreaking, but necessary and this is what I think - I could be wrong - but, you know, my opinion. First of all, I have a "gift". I am really good at listening to people and finding words that they use to get what I need. Let me explain. As a child, as a mother, as a wife, as a nurse - I listen to how a person is speaking, the words that they use and I use them back on that person to get what I want them to do. Yes, it is a little bit of manipulating and I've won arguments with Mr. Blair that way but mostly I try t use it for good. When I have a drug addict or a suicidal person, I try to use what they just say later down the road to get across to them.

This conversation between Dean and Sam I think was bugged by Zach. Dean used words like, "We always come back to this" "We should stay apart" "Good-bye, Sam". I point this out because LuciferSam kind of brings some of these words up. 2014Dean validates that leaving Sam/not talking to Sam wasn't so painful five years later. They each had an appearance to play on Dean's words.

Now, I've found I usually get about a 95-ish% return on my investment. Except when you run into a Dean Winchester.

When Dean comes back and Zach - who, by the way, I find to be AWESOME at his role! The actor is GREAT! I love his scare-tactics, his Holier than Thou attitude! His Bow before ME! He plays it powerful and nasty and I dig him! Anyway, Zach screams, "You didn't learn your lesson?" And Dean responds, "Oh, I learned a lesson. Just not the one you wanted to teach."

Okay, perfection. OurDean saw right through it. The crap. The 'this is the future, boy'. Even 2014Dean begging him to say yes. Whatever. In the end, it was the knowledge that this is what happens to Sam to end the world and that Dean left him. Sam said yes? Why? We don't know. It had to be a good reason. He held out for three years before agreeing. Something horrible must have happened. Some trigger. But Dean wasn't there. Sam was alone.

THAT was something Dean could change. Something he could fix back in the here and now.

Dean Vs. Dean? Loved it! It gave me a rush reaction of Nic Cage in 'Adaptation'. Two characters who are so similar, so different and the actor made them both work! I thought Jensen was brilliant as both Deans. Just phenomenal. The show did a great job making it work. I was in.

I thought it was interesting that both 2014Dean and Cas both WANTED to talk to Zach. Like neither had talked to him in a long time. Like they NEEDED to talk to him. I also was like, "WHAT?" with Lucifer saying it AGAIN! "It had to be Sam." I don't know if it just goes back to Croatoan or not. Sam was immune to the Demon Blood so what? His body can house Lucifer? Or was it back to the nursery when Baby Sam's eyes flashed yellow for a split second when he tasted the blood? Was it a combo? I don't know. I want the REAL answer, though.

"You have to save Sam or you'll have to kill him." Sam told Lucifer that he'd kill himself first before being taken over. Lucifer says he'll just bring him back. Maybe Dean is the only one that can kill Sam and have Sam stay dead. Lucifer told Dean he knew he wouldn't kill Sam.

Continued...
amyblair3
Oct. 2nd, 2009 02:47 pm (UTC)
The reunion? Yeah, I wanted the hug and I thought Dean was going to hug Cas. I would have been great with BOTH! Of course, neither happened. But we still had one hell of a reunion. Great speech by Dean, Sam was heartbreaking with the back away from the knife and then his heartfelt, "Thank-you." They both meant it. For that moment. They were both real there. No curtains up, just real.

And then it ended too fast. I needed a few more seconds. But the show has a budget and a time constraint.

"I won't let you down." followed by Dean's "I know"... because Dean won't let him. Dean has to save Sam or kill him. That's what I think it's going to come down to. Again, I could be wrong, but you know...

I'm going to end on an odd note. Rogue players, Rogue fans... 'Sympathy for the Devil'. It's a song by the Rolling Stones. It was actually originally called "The Devil is My Name" and the song, written by Mick Jagger, is sung in first person as though Mick is the Devil. The actual song is highly controversial. It really stems from the fact that the Rolling Stones were pissed because they were not invited to Woodstock. So they decided to have their own concert at Altamonte Speedway They, of course, were the headliners and 'Sympathy for the Devil' was going to be the song they were going to blow everyone away with.

Problem was, they staffed the security the the Hells Angels. Well, those boys got out of control They attacked they crowd, they stabbed people, it was chaos. And Mick Jagger during the fighting, the stabbing, kept right along singing even though it was apparent shit was flying. A helicopter had to fly over the stage and take the members of the Stone away from the concert while Mick grinned down over the mob.

'And there we were all in one place' (Woodstock/the camp of 2014Dean)
'A generation lost in space' (hippies, Dean's calvary)
'So come on Jack by nimble, Jack by quick' (Mick Jagger Jumpin' Jack Flash/Future Dean)
'Jack Flash sat on a candlestick' (Stones Candlestick Park concert/Dean to "stop it")
'Cause fire is the devil's only friend' (Stones are playing with fire... Lucifer is rising)
'And as I watched him on the stage, my hands were clenched in fists of rage - No angel born in Hell Could break that Satan's spell' (reference to Mick and the Speedway concert, the public outcry/Dean breaking in Hell/Sam starting the apocalypse)
'And as the flames climbed high into the night to light the sacrificial rite' (Mick prancing as the place was burning down/LuciferSam dressed in white while the world burned)
'I saw Satan laughing with delight' (Satan being Jagger/Satan being Sam...)
'The day the music died.'

You ever think that SUPERNATURAL is actually just following verses of 'American Pie'?

I love this show. And I thought it was Bobby's journal...
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(Anonymous)
Oct. 2nd, 2009 02:47 pm (UTC)
Gaelic! (Speaking of spell check crack!, the spell check app on my CrackBerry doesn't recognize "Gaelic" and always wants to change it to "Garlic". That always makes me smile.)

I can't tell you how much I enjoy reading your "Stream of Conscience" episode reviews. Its funny, my immediate gut reaction to last night's episode was that I loved most of it, but absolutely *hated* Zach and his pokey finger of doom, particularly right at the end in the rose garden. Kinda sick of that story/plot device. Actually not even sure what it was that I disliked so much, but when Zach showed up and started preaching I was just suddenly pissed, but not in a "this show's so good its making me angry" way. It was more of a "oh jeez, not this *again*!" reaction.

Thankfully I have you and your amazing reviews to read which always help me find fresh angles and frequently allow me to smooth over any rough spots. Once again your enthusiasm and insight has worked its magic and I find myself reclassifying my "hate!" to "don't really care for it, but its ok" (if that makes any sense).

So, thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. They're a post-episode tradition that I really treasure.

-j
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p.s. I hope all goes well with Mo Culisle and the new Doctor(s) and treatment option. You guys are in my prayers.

p.p.s. Sorry I haven't posted much recently, life's been a bit crazy.
sparky_joe
Oct. 2nd, 2009 02:51 pm (UTC)
Gaelic!

Sorry! That long-winded post was from me!

Didn't realize until after I posted that I had been logged off of LJ.

-j
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marta_kent
Oct. 2nd, 2009 03:06 pm (UTC)
Thank you so much! Oh... what an episode... quintessence of SPN
gaelicspirit
Oct. 2nd, 2009 07:02 pm (UTC)
Thanks, lady! I've tried to go over to SFO to see if anyone reads or reacts but for some reason the site crashes my computer lately. Sorry I haven't been around over there. I'll keep trying!

Take care of you.
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tuya_moon
Oct. 2nd, 2009 03:29 pm (UTC)
Hey there! It's absolutely crazy here at work, and I barely had time to scan your wonderful ramble, but I wanted to post some of my initial thoughts I had during the episode before I reply to specific things in your review. Warning: really random thoughts ahead.

This episode had me a bit confused with continuity. First, how can angels know the future or go to the future? I know time is fluid according to Cas, but if they know what’s going to happen, the bros wouldn’t surprise them so much. I don’t know, maybe I’m thinking too much or not enough.

Also, Lucifer is an angel not a demon, so how can he be killed by the colt? Dean had a hard time making a dent on Cas at the beginning of season 4 and in 4.16, I thought only other angels could kill angels. (need to rewatch that ep.)

Another question, if Post-Apoc (PA) Cas became mortal and (I assume) lost his grace, where’s Jimmy? A shell of a soul/personality trapped in his body, or just gone? And Anna, did she just inhabit a vessel or was she born human with an angel’s soul?

I wonder what makes Sam say yes. I’m wondering if it’s because Dean will push him away much like how God pushed Lucifer away. That would be the angle I’d use if I was Satan.

Okay, one last question, if you have the patience. I know that in SPN mythology, Lucifer fell from heaven because he loved God too much and didn’t want to bow to humans. In the back of my mind I have another version that I thought I heard or read somewhere but now can’t remember where. If someone has heard of this version too and knows where it might be based, let me know. I thought that Lucifer fell and took a third of the stars/angels with him because he was proud and wanted to be like God. I think I mixing different parts of stories here, but does anybody have any idea where it might have come from? I’ve pulled out my Bible, Strong’s concordance, wikipedia/internet, gone to the bookstore/library and haven’t found anything. It just bugs me because it feels like one of those things I was told in Sunday school but now can’t find any proof or references for it. Too many questions, I know.

TBC...
tuya_moon
Oct. 2nd, 2009 03:30 pm (UTC)
Part 2
On PA-Cas:
Serious, Dean, what did you THINK would happen when you take an angel to a whorehouse?! Scary when Cas actually get mentored in Dean's hedonistic ways; Dean's very own Frankenstein monster. This whole drink-and-be-merry-for-tomorrow-we-die-Cas was really unnerving. ::shivers:: Another testament to Misha’s acting skills. I never realized how HARD acting is until this semester. As a writer, I get very emotionally invested in and involved with my characters, and though writing is one way to express, at times it falls short. There is only so much you can show and express words. That’s why I decided to take an acting class and knock out some units towards my Theatre Arts degree while I was at it. At first, the class started out with very, simple, almost childish games like “Kitty wants a corner” or “pretend you’re a tree” (Not kidding on that one. I literally had to be a tree my first day of class. What a cliché. But I was damn good tree. LOL.) Now, the exercises are getting harder. Still simple, but harder. Last night, we had one verb to become. We couldn’t think about it, just be. One girl choose “frustrate”. Not BE frustrated, but frustrate OTHERS. (I made that mistake.) She was AMAZING. She threw chairs, followed people around the room, banged on the piano, etc. An absolute RIOT to watch. Me? Not so great. I didn’t come in wanting to be an actor; just wanted to be able to express the stories I have bubbling inside and see things from an actor’s point of view so I could create stories better. So, for you writers or future directors out there, take an acting class. I had someone tell me that once, and I was scared out of my pants, but I’m doing it. It is incredibly awkward, sometimes embarrassing, and definitely makes you feel extremely vulnerable, but you learn so much. How does this relate to SPN? I have no FRIGGIN' clue how Jensen and Misha do it. How Misha changes the infliction of his voice without a costume change and somehow you KNOW when he’s Castiel the Angel and when he’s Jimmy the Holy Tax Accountant. How Jensen can bottles up those tears and cry a single tear when a certain line demands it. I thought it would be easy to become so intermeshed with the character that his emotions become your own for that moment. It’s not. At least not for me. Yet.

PA-Dean scared me. Really scared me. And got me wondering. I thought that hell was about the worst thing Dean could go through, the torture and torturing. That was about as low as I thought he could go. When he came back, yeah, he was broken, but it was like waking from a dream…or nightmare…and the emotions are there but somehow it’s real, but not real. So, I guess if I thought hell-Dean had lost his humanity, I had never met PA-Dean. Yowzah. ICE cold. Maybe this time we got a true glimpse of the hell-Dean, though 2009-Dean didn’t seem to recognize himself even with the shared hell experience and all. Geesh. I feel like Dean sitting at the laundromat in TMATEOTB. “My head hurts.” Ditto.

Part 3 coming soon, after I fully absorb your ramble.
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apieceofcake
Oct. 2nd, 2009 03:34 pm (UTC)
It was AWESOME *VBG* :-)
gaelicspirit
Oct. 2nd, 2009 07:25 pm (UTC)
It really was!!
lsketch42
Oct. 2nd, 2009 03:44 pm (UTC)
*sorry long reply*

"Microsoft Word doesn’t recognize “Croatoan.” Wants to change it to “Croatian.”
Hee. That is awesome.

"Dear CW. Please unclench and allow realistic blood to grace our heroes—especially after battle. Thank you."
INORIGHT??? For all the buckets of blood they spew over everthing would it hurt to toss some on the boys? Seriously, the only thing that could have improved that ep would have been some hurt!dean. And Future!Dean sewing up his past self. (btw the fact that he had no cut on his head when he was knocked out irked me as well /rant)

"Then again… why wasn’t he affected? Why was he a SUPER-Special Kid?"
I've hooked a couple people on this show, and they always ask me questions about it, and honestly, I cannot explain the mytharc to them if I tried. I can't tell if its because I'm slow or there really are plot holes the size of craters in the storyline. Which is why I usually just switch that part of my brain off and enjoy the pretty :P

"I was instantly reminded of Dark Angel’s “Terminal City” boundary markers."
Yup. I adored Jensen on that show...that's where I first saw him. I think they could have done some pretty great stuff with a season 3. But hey, then maybe we wouldn't have SPN so...FATE!

"I am the great and powerful Zach! *Gaelic growls* He irritates me. Greatly."
Ditto.

"At least I’m assuming it was John’s journal."
It looked similar to John's journal, but I kinda thought it was Bobby's (since every hunter usually has one) and Dean was going to check it to see what had happened over the past five years. Also, *random* do you know they published a "John Winchester's Journal"? I found it in the bookstore the other day and read through it. If you get a chance you should check it out. I bet you could do some amazing prequel fic with that :)

"And futureDean? Looks BAD. ASS."
I am so in love with future!Dean it's not even funny. I know he's a dick but the INTENSITY *pounces on him*

"Looking at ourDean, I almost saw innocence return. I saw him still believe—in the possibility of something. He held on to his cocky wit, his raised eyebrow sarcasm, his thank you Captain Obvious observations. He was… refreshing."
THIS.

"where Lex Lucifer saw himself as ruler of the world, standing on a bloody field of skulls, dressed all in white."
Oh yeah!....but Lex did not look half as ridiculous as pimp!Sam. :P

"He gets all soft voice and reaches out to lay a gentle hand on Dean’s shoulder (which Dean flinches away)"
Dude, Jensen does the flinch like nobody's business. That boy emotes manpain.

I think what I loved about this episode is this is how I saw the series going...Sam moving further and further into darkness and Dean being right there, his snarky, human, flawed self doing anything in his power to save him. The whole Dean as a hellboy, apocalypsestarter, Michaelwhatever just irked the crap out of me because the thing that was so great about this show was the relationship between the BROTHERS. And a heaven/hell deathmatch was just so far removed from that and out there I just couldn't get into it.

But if they continue on like this, I would stay a happy fangirl.














gaelicspirit
Oct. 2nd, 2009 07:27 pm (UTC)
YAYZ! Hello, you!

Also, *random* do you know they published a "John Winchester's Journal"? I found it in the bookstore the other day and read through it. If you get a chance you should check it out. I bet you could do some amazing prequel fic with that...

I know of its existence, but I haven't sought it out or read it. Yet. I'm working on a prequel fic, but haven't consulted the published idea of the journal. I'm kinda going by the "only cannon is TV cannon" idea... mainly 'cause I'm too lazy to go get the book.

the thing that was so great about this show was the relationship between the BROTHERS.

WORD! :)

Did you enjoy your pie??
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simplycolourful
Oct. 2nd, 2009 05:22 pm (UTC)
This episode was so awesome! After seing the episode stills and the promos I had so high expectations, and they were meet and more too!

Everyone was just brilliant!

Cas was hilarious! Him waiting at the side of the road all night and as a 'hippie', when he made that orgy comment I was all WTF, and had to go back and watch it again, cause I wasn't sure I heard what I just heard! Think Dean felt the same way :)

Jared playing Lucifer was great, he was really good, but I agree with you on having symphany for the devil, like everyone else he made his bed, and now he won't lie in it!
Still that crack he made about killing Dean being redundant was pretty funny.

I could just go on about Dean forever, Jensen is a terrific actor, and the fact that you could tell OurDean from FutureDean, just says it all!

The way that FutureDean turned up is really sad, but I guess that 5 years of war does that to a man.

Also totally squeeing over the boys being back together!


About your stories, don't worry about it, you'll get to it when you get to it. You have more important things in your life :) Hope she's doing better.

(Don't know is this coherent in any way, trying to do three things at once :))
gaelicspirit
Oct. 2nd, 2009 07:29 pm (UTC)
The way that FutureDean turned up is really sad, but I guess that 5 years of war does that to a man.

Yeah, no joke.

Thank you for reading and for letting me "off the hook" with fic.

See you next week, you multitasking goddess.
(Anonymous)
Oct. 2nd, 2009 06:12 pm (UTC)
Hey - Onari
Hey babe!!

Thanks for your amazing ramble ;-)

I hope you won't mind playing a bit of a devil's advocate here (no pun intended), but if Dean basically tells Sam that they should be in separate hemispheres for good (am I really the only one who found that cruel, especially in the light of how happy/relieved he felt without Sam?), how does he look so surprised that future!Dean wasn't with Sam in Detroit?

I don't know, maybe I'm in a bitter mood (really bad day at work :(), but it didn't feel to me (oh, yeah, I watched the last scene, I'm human and couldn't help myself ^_^) that Dean was coming back together because he wanted to or missed him or anything with actual feeling on it. Just...because if he doesn't apparently Sam'll say yes (I think it's unfair from the writers to doom him to accept Lucifer's wish in the end) and that would be Hell on Earth.

Again, it's responsability. The responsability Dean was trying to run from for a little while catches up and drags him back in. And isn't that unfair too for the older Winchester.

If Dean goes back with Sam because of duty, I don't see how their relationship may improve. If it weren't for the future and its burden, Dean wouldn't want to be with Sam in the present and that was a fact last episode.

Please take this little comment as my subtle cry for help, aka, for you to convince me otherwhise!!!

Gotta go, thanks again, hon!

L xx
gaelicspirit
Oct. 2nd, 2009 07:51 pm (UTC)
Re: Hey - Onari
Please take this little comment as my subtle cry for help, aka, for you to convince me otherwhise!!!

Ack! No pressure! LOL. I was actually going to give the show a day to marinate (to steal a phrase from Zach) before I replied, but I saw this and had to dive in. Plus, you weren't signed in, so I didn't want you to have to keep checking back to see if I said anything.

I hope this will help. *ahem*

if Dean basically tells Sam that they should be in separate hemispheres for good (am I really the only one who found that cruel, especially in the light of how happy/relieved he felt without Sam?), how does he look so surprised that future!Dean wasn't with Sam in Detroit?

So, I'm going to look at this in two pieces. I actually didn't find Dean's comment to Sam as cruel--I saw it as tired and protective and desperate to find a way to maintain control.

If you take it apart a bit...Sam was the one to choose to leave hunting. While Dean didn't fight him to stay, he also didn't ask him to leave. If Sam had never made that choice, it's plausible that Dean would have continued on the path they'd started at the premiere and kept trying to make it work. Sam chose to leave, and in that time apart, Dean felt that brief, euphoric lift of liberation from obligation. He also saw how much freakin' work it was going to be to keep on hunting like he was while the apocolypse was waging. So, he's got his work cut out for him. But he's a hunter. He's up for it. As long as he doesn't have to split his attention and his heart between hunting and protecting Sam, he thinks he can actually pull this off.

When Sam calls him, it's very, very AM. I'm assuming that Sam took off right after waking from the Lucifer dream and didn't really pay attention to the time, just needed to talk to his brother. But we know from Dean that he's been on the road for 16 hours, he's beat, he's hungry, and in four hours he has to meet up with an angel to find the Colt.

Sam's knews isn't earth-shattering (can anything be after all of this) and in all honesty, he might be questioning Sam's committment to the job in that moment, when his defenses are down and he's just tired. You want out, you want in... what if it gets to be too much, Sam? You gonna want a break again?

Plus, Sam makes Dean vulnerable and visa versa. The way I saw it, the only way Dean saw to protect his brother was to keep him away. So that the two heavy weights that were after them didn't ultimate find them together and in one fell swoop take the brothers and destroy the world. It's not a logical statement. It's not even a well-thought-out statement. It's one of exhaustion and disbelief and whatever happened to the good ol' days when all we needed was a shovel, some rock salt, and lighter fluid??

As for why he was surprised five years down the road? Well, have you ever said something to a loved one or a sibling and meant it completely in that moment but knew that eventually you'd retract your words? I have. I can't imagine that at that early hour Dean really thought they'd literally follow his words. I think he was just thinking "this isn't a good idea, us being together... we're not ready."

But I don't think he ever imagined he'd never talk to his brother again.

And... even if he did... hearing the fact come out of futureDean's mouth... that he never talked to his brother again... it had to drive a point home like a fist to the gut. "Oh, God, I told Sam that we should separate. I said that. I did this. And Sam was alone in Detroit because I said that. And he said yes. And I wasn't there. What the hell was I thinking??"

Yknow?



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chemm80
Oct. 2nd, 2009 06:33 pm (UTC)
...he should probably stop coming back to Kansas altogether since the last two times he’s been plucked from the here and now and transported forwards and backwards in time.

Interesting. Do you think it's deliberate? Like a "we're not in Kansas anymore, Toto" thing?

...I hear “driving 16 hours” and Turn the Page pops into my head.

Oh me, too. I can't hear that song without thinking of Dean in the Impala. I've used the "east of Omaha" phrase in fic more than once. Only totally the Seger version, right? Please tell me you're not an infidel who prefers the Metallica one (which isn't bad, just not Seger).

Looking as if he’s about to cry, Sam pleads, “Dean don’t do this.”

Dean says goodbye and hangs up.


This show...it dredges up so many deep-seated feelings about family and love and guilt and death. I had a really hard time with last week's episode when Dean said that he was happier without Sam, not because I can't stand it that they separated, or that I didn't believe that Dean was being honest, but because I knew that he WAS. Because I so get that sense of guilty relief when you let go of someone who meant everything to you, let them go their own way. It's a parent's emotion and also one of someone who's been codependent, shaped their life around someone else and then realized that was over--not because you've finally figured out that this relationship wasn't healthy for either of you, but because you just...Cannot. Do it. Anymore. Very freeing, but highly painful and guilt inducing, and it leaves you reeling because the foundation you've built your life upon, everything you are, is just gone and then who are you? What are you supposed to do? Dean's still got his mission, but he's lost himself.

The condition of the house looked like Bobby’s death hadn’t been long before

Except there were cobwebs on the wheelchair? Just sayin'. I'm sure we'll get an answer to what happens to Bobby before it's all over.

To prove he’s him, ourDean tells futureDean...She made him try on her pink satiny panties and… he kinda liked it.

That was so fanfic--I absolutely lost it when he said that.

...Jensen had to be exhausted after filming this episode. He knocked both performances out of the park.

He did an amazing job, didn't he? I've been a bit disturbed by Jensen's performances this season so far. They seem a bit off to me and that's something I've never said before. But this episode, he was spot on. Plus two Dean's and one of 'em's so military, post-apoc badass--hotter than fire, baby.

Stoned, scruffy, why-don’t-we-get-drunk-and-screw Cas is adorably hilarious.

I got such a kick of that portrayal. Someone on my flist asked, "Was that Cas without his angel juice or was he channelling MIsha's Twitter persona?"

Having to watch Sam’s face, hear Sam’s voice—not even black, red, or yellow eyes to help the situation. LuciferSam actually looks like Sam...And it had to break Dean’s heart.

Jared impressed me there, in a major way.

Dean is leaning against the (now intact, thank goodness) Impala on a dirt road behind a trail trestle, waiting—and I swear it’s the same road where they last saw John before it all went to hell.

That's exactly what I said.

Dean closes his eyes briefly, then opens them and looks (up) at Sam. “I’m sorry. I’m… whatever I need to be, but I was wrong. The point is, maybe we are each other’s Achilles heel—maybe they’ll find a way to use us against each other, I don’t know. I just know we’re all we’ve got. We keep each other human.”

See, I was annoyed with this speech until he got to the last line--that saved it for me. Because the whole "we're stronger together, or maybe we're not" blah-blah seemed like a retread of the whole thing, like they haven't learned anything, but that last sentence saved it for me.

The hug will come later.

Oh, c’mon. You know you wanted one as badly as I did.


Oh, I was so happy they played that as understated as they did. You know me and my rigid ideas about what men will and won't put up with...

Enjoyed revisiting the episode with you, as always. Hope everything it okay with you, sweetie. *hugs*
gaelicspirit
Oct. 2nd, 2009 07:54 pm (UTC)
I had a really hard time with last week's episode when Dean said that he was happier without Sam, not because I can't stand it that they separated, or that I didn't believe that Dean was being honest, but because I knew that he WAS. Because I so get that sense of guilty relief when you let go of someone who meant everything to you, let them go their own way. It's a parent's emotion and also one of someone who's been codependent, shaped their life around someone else and then realized that was over--not because you've finally figured out that this relationship wasn't healthy for either of you, but because you just...Cannot. Do it. Anymore. Very freeing, but highly painful and guilt inducing, and it leaves you reeling because the foundation you've built your life upon, everything you are, is just gone and then who are you? What are you supposed to do? Dean's still got his mission, but he's lost himself.

This?? So, so true. I love the way you put this. :)

Hope everything it okay with you, sweetie.

Thank you for that. I'm working on it. :) Can't do anything but keep moving forward, right?

Thanks for coming by. :)

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jennygeee
Oct. 2nd, 2009 07:15 pm (UTC)
Great review Gaelic - as usual!

FutureDean made presentDean appear almost soft didn't he? His talent never ceases to amaze me - there is no end to end!

I was almost screaming at the tv at the end 'go on - hug!!!!' but you're right, I hope, the hug will come.

Absolutely amazing episode and an amazing job done by all!!

Thanks again Gaelic.
xxxx
gaelicspirit
Oct. 2nd, 2009 07:55 pm (UTC)
Thank you!! I'm glad it worked for you. And I appreciate you coming by each week. Sincerely!! :)

His talent never ceases to amaze me - there is no end to end!

Nope! I've said it before and I'll say it again. He's ruined me.
jazzyirish
Oct. 2nd, 2009 07:56 pm (UTC)
I loved this episode as much as you, Gaelic, been looking forward to it all week. Fabulous ramble. And I'm with you - if we don't ultimately find out why "it always had to be you, Sam" - I'll cry "foul" to Kripke! You can't throw phrases like that around for years and not explain them.

Ben Edlund wrote this episode and yeah, he strikes me as anti-Republican. ;) I also think he threw some other symbolism in the episode. In Catholicism, we have the Madonna with Infant Child standing on the world with the Serpent (Satan) crushed under her feet. It's a very powerful symbol that Christ came to redeem all of mankind. I can't believe it was coincidence that SamLucifer crushed FutureDean under his foot, (with the Colt lying in the grass) thus ending any possibility that humans could survive. Also, Sam tells his brother (in the initial phone call asking to hunt with him again) that he wants to redeem himself, but Dean turns away from him and says "no". I think Ben loves to play with dialog and symbolism.

Loved all of your thoughts about the episode. Every time I think that Jensen couldn't possibly do better Ackting, he amazes me and blows previous performances away. I totally agree with you that FutureDean made our Dean look young and (at least partially) innocent. ;) FutureDean tells our Dean that he made a mistake by not saying yes to Michael. Then our Dean tells Sam he made a mistake by sending him away. If Dean is going to make a mistake that endangers the future of the world, he's going to do it together with Sam. Go Dean! :) So much emotion played across our Dean's face in this episode - from beginning to end - and Jensen just nailed it. I really enjoyed Misha's performance as well - he plays a hippie well. But I just love him as AngelCas - and like you, absolutely cracked up when he said that he would "just wait" there into the disconnected phone - and then did - statue like. ;)

I'm going to have to watch this episode a few more times before I delete my HD version in order to appreciate the nuances of the dual role. And I must say that I'm glad you decided to just take in and enjoy the episode and tell us how you feel about it, and not worry about the rest of fandom. Good for you.

Thanks again for your thoughts that always add to the enjoyment of the episode, and often times, food for thought as well.

Catch ya' later,
Irish
gaelicspirit
Oct. 2nd, 2009 08:26 pm (UTC)
Can I just say I love you? LOL I mean it! Your comments are always so refreshing and open and I get to see how you think without being tense that you're going to splatter me somehow. Not that I get splattered a lot, but I'm ALWAYS tense about it.

Go figure.

I have friends that tease me about my "Catholic guilt" -- only, I'm not Catholic. I was raised Baptist. And while I have Catholic friends, everything I've ever learned about Catholocism has been from books. I remember the image you're talking about and thought of that after the fact when LuciferSam crushed futureDean under his foot (though I totally missed seeing that the Colt was lying in the grass).

I think I was too caught up in a "what the hell is LuciferSam wearing" state of mind to let the symbolism sink in.

Y'know what's funny? I haven't rewatched an episode during a season since Season 2. I don't know why, exactly, except that it's almost too much. I haven't even watched Season 4 episodes on my DVDs yet -- just the extra parts.

I watch them once, I relive them to write these, and then... I wait.

But this one? I think I might have to rewatch parts. Just to see Dean V Dean. That was just A-MAZE-ING. :)

Thanks for reading and taking time to comment.

See you next week?
mtee
Oct. 2nd, 2009 09:16 pm (UTC)
Loved the review, as always. I have not read a negative review yet. Of course, I no longer read people who are not rational and sane about this show.. so that may be a reason. I'm sure there's someone out there who has some rant....

Personally, I was hoping the song choice for the army was an homage to Patrick Swayze.. I took it as such... so that's what I will believe.

This ranks as one of those eps that need to be seen over and over to really get it all! I did notice... after having read the insightful and brilliant metas of some fans that we once again had roses being symbolic. Such a contrast to have roses blooming behind Lucifer... amidst a shell of a town, with a dead Dean on the ground. I'm sure someone who's really good at this will have more detail as to what this might truly mean. But at least I noticed it!! I am growing as an observant fan!

Alas, I did not notice the shoes.. but since you are not the first person to mention how hideous they were.. I must take notice next time.

I liked that in the final scene, Dean walked toward his brother.. he did not make Sam come to him -- they met in the middle.

A part of me was waiting for something sinister to happen when Dean gave Sam the knife -- a small part was saying... no don't do something twisted... nononono.

Just love this show.
gaelicspirit
Oct. 2nd, 2009 09:20 pm (UTC)
Personally, I was hoping the song choice for the army was an homage to Patrick Swayze.. I took it as such... so that's what I will believe.

Oh, man! I didn't even think about that! I like that idea. :)

I've only read two other reviews and both were positive so I think I'll stop while I'm ahead. You're right; more than likely there is someone who will harp on something they didn't like that I never saw or couldn't see because I watch through different eyes.

I, too, liked that they met in the middle. And I, too, was somewhat tense when Sam said "thank you"... not that I doubted his sincerety, but that Kripke has pulled stunts like that before and left me gutted.

But this ended perfectly.

I noticed more the color red than the roses. It seems that 'red' is becoming a theme whenever Lucifer is around. I will watch for roses and strive to become an observant fan myself!! :)

Thanks for reading and coming by. *hugs*
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(Anonymous)
Oct. 2nd, 2009 09:40 pm (UTC)
Boys Are Back In Town
Okay, don't tell me that this song didn't popped into your head at the end of last night's ep? lol Dude, I was a grinning fool at that part. Even though I know that its not gonna be a simple "kiss and make up" That everything's all hunky-dory by next week's episode and honestly I'm glad it won't be because it was just be all to fake. I'm just glad that they're together again. The family business.

>>So, Dean pulls up to a hotel, Impala rumbling nicely, and there’s a street preacher trying to prep souls for the Rapture. When he catches Dean’s attention, he eyes him a bit too long and I instantly think “demon.”

Do you think it’s bad that everyone in the show that gives me a hinky vibe I’m all “DEMON! DEMON!” What have they done to me?
- You know, I'm having the opposite effect now ever since the mention of God has vamoosed from Heaven. My first reaction was, "... Lord?" especially as he eyes him too long as you said and that look he has after Dean leaves. I don't know just something hinky.

>>Dean says that they’re not stronger when they’re together, they’re weaker. Whatever they have – love, family – they are always going to use it against them. I wanted to grab him, shake him, remind him of how desperately he’d wanted his family to stay together, how he’d said virtually the opposite words to his father four years ago.
- I thought the same thing and I said to myself, "Dude. You are so wrong! What did your dad tell you guys? Come on!"

From the beginning of your ramble to the end I agree with you but you know that already but I'm gonna skip ahead to the where '09Dean meets LuciferSam at that graveyard because holy crap, what a great scene between these two guys.

I found it so goddamn creepy as hell when Dean literally saw himself get killed by Sam. It was creepy to me the way LuciferSam killed FutureDean. Just simply, quietly, and probably quick snap to his neck with his foot. Like, I know this sounds wrong, stepping on a bug. I don't know why but just thinking about that give me the full-on chills and not in a good way. I would expect for him to kill FutureDEan in a messy, bloody and gory way but it was just a quiet and not so painful kill because hello! This is Lucifer we're talking about here, The Ruler of Hell, the place of eternal suffering and torture.

Jared had me confused. It was Sam but yet, it wasn't Sam. It wasn't Sam's walk, Sam's eyes, Sam's smirk, Sam's voice, anything. It looked like Sam but it wasn't Sammy. :( And what did I tell you about Lucifer? Huh? Stalker. He loved God too much and became so jealous of us. And that speech was delivered amazingly by Jared. He had me wanting me to hug him and creeped out by him at the same time. lol I love this guy.

Jensen. Oh, man. Mr. Jensen Ackles. That man had me swirling with emotions especially at the scene with LuciferSam. Man, I love this guy, too. :D

"You're wrong." his voice CRACKED when he said that and my heart along with it. He looked so close to just breaking down and sobbing openly. And friggin' Lucifer is just so damn confident that he's going to win. He said the same thing to Sam during his dream visit and that just infuriated me. lol Because I know. I know that both Sam and Dean will defeat this guy, somehow, someway, they'll do it. Together.

So in closing. Sam and Dean are back together. StonedCastiel is funny, Zach is still an untrustworthy douche bag of an angel. And Jared can definitely pulled off the white suit outfit. Oh, yeah. Never have I been more jealous of gun thigh holster than the one Jensen was wearing in this ep. *sighs dreamily*

~Crash_n_Burn

p.s. I promised myself no more long posts on your rambles because I'm sure you have better things to do than read them like, taking care of your family, the real world, or working on your upcoming fics. *wink, wink*
gaelicspirit
Oct. 2nd, 2009 09:47 pm (UTC)
Re: Boys Are Back In Town
My first reaction was, "... Lord?"

Oh, Girl, you put me to shame. Why don't I think good? Why do I think bad?? My sainted Grandmother would be so ashamed. I know neither of us were right, but I like how you think. Looking for God in the Everyman.

Like, I know this sounds wrong, stepping on a bug.

I don't think that sounds wrong at all. I think that's exactly how it was supposed to look. Because he hates us that much. He has nothing but utter contempt for us. And if he could squash us all with the same amount of ease, he'd do exactly that.

Ugh. I know you have to have the dark to appreciate the light, but the idea of the devil just... ugh.

his voice CRACKED when he said that and my heart along with it

Right there with you, sister. Seriously, he blew me away. I've said it before -- I can take all the plotline loopholes they want to throw my way as long as Jensen is there ackting. ;)

I promised myself no more long posts on your rambles because I'm sure you have better things to do than read them like, taking care of your family, the real world, or working on your upcoming fics.

Honey, you write as long or short as you feel compelled. In the moment I am reading them, I have nothing better to do than read. I'll still take care of everything else. Amazingly, there seems to be a time for everything. And you have good things to say. So, take as long as you like to say 'em.


(Anonymous)
Oct. 3rd, 2009 03:02 am (UTC)
Hi gaelicspirit-It's Meggin
Yeah Jensen was awsome in this double role. I can't believe how how he pulled off those suble differences that made each of his persona so unique! And so sad to see that future Dean did make 2009Dean seem so much younger and still hopeful.
The "it had to be you Sam line is getting to me too. Soooo, I took a different take on it, check it out and let me know what you think of this speculation:

-----The End-Further musings on where this arc might go----

It would be the ultimate slap in the face of God to have His work be destroyed by the very nature of Himself perverted.
Satan is free at last and feeling betrayed by the Father he loved because he just can’t wrap his head around God’s plan when it comes to humans. So because he doesn’t “get it” he seeks revenge in a way that would hurt God the most by using a perversion of God’s Love to destroy those creatures God seems so wild about.

How would he go about that? By taking two humans that epitomize God’s Love and set them on the path to destroy each other. This is a speculative Ramble and I encourage rebuttal and other opinions because I think I’m warm as to what might be going on in this last season. NO INTENTIONAL SPOILERS.
So here’s what I think:
If Zachariah ever convinced Dean to let “the supposed angel Michael” use him as a vessel. I don’t believe it would be Michael that would enter Dean. I think it would be Lucifer. Because what better position to be in to use good intentions to lead Dean into killing his brother? Lucifer could lead Dean astray by the false whisperings of turned angels much like Sam had been lead down a path of good intentions by Ruby. And if Dean became convinced enough that killing Sam would change the future if he let "Michael" in, then as the brother who kills his brother, he would no longer be the righteous man who could end the apocalypse.
-----and Satan Wins.
And Lucifer telling Sam that he’s the one destined to be his vessel-uh, demons lie. He’d know that Sam would contact Dean with this info, seek help, and want protection. Then with the two of them together he could work on convincing Dean that the only way to save Sam, get him the redemption he deserves is to offer himself over to Michael who’d be a stronger protector than Dean (-sounds convincing.?) And if as a worst-case scenario Michael had to kill Sam, Dean’d be unable to change that path. For he’d be told it was the only way to ultimately “save” Sam coz the voices, commands came from God-right?
---- and Satan wins.
And he’d hurt God the most by this because it would be a case where the devil took love, (the divine essence of God) as in Dean’s love and devotion to his brother Sam, and perverted it to become an agent of destruction of that which was loved.
That’s gotta be worth checkmate in the apocalypse chess match the boys are hapless players in-huh?
But as long as Dean can stay Dean, as long as he can remain focused on the one thing that’s he’s trained for all his life (Saving Sam) he can defeat the Devils plan to wipe out the creatures God had asked the angels to love above their love for Him. And Satan’s Plan of using love/devotion (in essence God’s own work), as the means of destroying his creation would be foiled and Dean would then truly defeat Satan.
So what do you think? This would be a plot line as curvalicious as any of Kripke’s previous.
I need your input.





(Anonymous)
Oct. 3rd, 2009 03:05 am (UTC)
hey gaelic-It's meggin-again
Sorry, I got ethusiastic and too wordy so I had to split my ramble:

Part two

About the the rest I loved Chuck as supplies master. And Cas as the hippy love guru. And Zachariah ( his high asshattiness) was just as grind my teeth irritating as ever. He's a really good villan to hate-huh? And when he first put his fingers to Dean's forehead to zap him into the future I immediatly thought -uh oh-Dean won't poop for another week-sheesh! Zachariah is such a Dick.

But how did Dean get zapped back to Cas's side? was that all Cas or was there a little higher power intervention? And yea, Misha's deadpan delivery "I'll...just...wait here." was perfect! I hope he never does change.

But the sight of the upturned bullet riddled wheel chair-that gutted me. So Bobby never gets his legs? Could Dean changing his path with Sam have any hope of changing Bobby's destiny too? And I vote for it being Bobby's journal too. (Sighs)

The closeup's of Jensen's profiles were stunning. His 2009 face was looking at once fragile and worn, panicked and filled with firey determination. And 2014Dean was like you said -just hollow. Still unbelievablyfreaking handsome but he made his eyes block all emotion like it was all buried too deep or had bleed out long ago. Chilling.

Sam's puppydog eyes during the Lucifer speech creeped me out so much more than the first vessels expressions. Maybe because it was Sam....we see him through Dean's eyes ya know.

Still don't want anyone to kill any Winchesters. It's just not the way I want it to end.
I wrote a fic gaelic, if you find the time I'd love for you to read it. Its about how I'd like the show to end. Its called Winchester Urban Legends. It's posted over at Fanfiction.net
If you check it out let me know what you think ok?

And as far as this Eps end hell yeah I wanted them to hug! I wanted Dean to hug Cas, in fact I wanted hugs all around! But they are always so sparing on the fan's ultimate chick flick moment. But I hope they don't make us wait till the end..

Love your rambles they are so insightful and help clear things up for me, thank you for letting me have the pleasure of your thoughts.

(Dean in pink satin panties...yum.)
gaelicspirit
Oct. 3rd, 2009 11:36 am (UTC)
Re: hey gaelic-It's meggin-again
Hey there!

Thanks so much for coming back and for thinking out loud. I found your thoughts intriguing and plausible. Especially the conclusion:

But as long as Dean can stay Dean, as long as he can remain focused on the one thing that’s he’s trained for all his life (Saving Sam) he can defeat the Devils plan to wipe out the creatures God had asked the angels to love above their love for Him. And Satan’s Plan of using love/devotion (in essence God’s own work), as the means of destroying his creation would be foiled and Dean would then truly defeat Satan.

I am truly excited to see how it ultimately plays out.

Thank you for letting me know about your fic! I will certainly try to get over there and check it out *puts reminder in Outlook* and when I do, I will be sure to leave you my thoughts. :)

Thanks again -- take care of you!

Gaelic
thruterryseyes
Oct. 3rd, 2009 03:13 am (UTC)
I'm shallow, I admit i was waitning for hin to grimnace or at least palm his side and come away with blood on his hands. The Fure Dean was totally difrrent from past Dean, and I want to appluad hoew you managed to keep track of who was who onyour review.

I had a little trouble with Sam as 'Lucifer' The while clothes are a predictable cliche and I kept expecting him to flip his hand, twist his shoulders a little and say, "Oh stop..." lisping as he spoke. I'm sorry, but that's how it felt. He was complacently righteous but he anoyed me more than he frightened me. Dean was spectacular.
gaelicspirit
Oct. 3rd, 2009 11:40 am (UTC)
I know! We don't ask for much. Just a little blood.

*laugh* Well, I wouldn't put it past the Devil to enjoy... decorating.

Dean... was... SPECTACULAR.
aacoustical
Oct. 3rd, 2009 05:44 am (UTC)
*ahem* [awkwardmoment] ... "Long time cree-- reader, first time commenter" [/awkwardmoment] ^_^'

Please excuse me for being such a dork, but I didn't think I could stand another episode, another week without commenting a blithering rant of adoration to you at least once. *eyes glow*

I wanted to thank you for making sense of this world that I faithfully watch. For writing out the unspoken between the brothers into something I can read, into something that makes me appreciate it (them, the show, the people who made the show) so much more than I already do and writing it in a way better than any words I could try and express.

This LJ and the weekly streams of sanity that go along with it pretty much saved me from having to look at each episode through the eyes of other people who almost made me think Supernatural wasn't worthy of praise. I definitely know better now. Knowing that I can read your streams of consciousness, that you're just a fellow DeanGirl (oh god how I praise the swoon-worthy descriptions of his jawbone in every post *melts*) who also understands Sam, who's just sitting back for the ride and someone who isn't trying to guess Eric's end game plan for them and simply trying to make sense of what we're given ... it's more helpful and refreshing than I could express in just one dorky rant.

Basically though, keep up what you're doing because there are people like me who appreciate it so, so, SO much. =) Thanks for these, just thought you should know.

- acoustical
gaelicspirit
Oct. 3rd, 2009 11:49 am (UTC)
Oh, my goodness. You have no idea how much I appareciate your post. Thank you. Very sincerely.

I am so pleased the rambles work for you -- and I suppose I do describe his jawline a bit. *laugh* That or his eyes, lashes, lips... the list goes on.

I couldn't begin to understand Kripke's endgame -- it's honestly too much work. I like to make up my own in my stories, sure, but they're different from the show.

I actually thought about stopping these rambles last week. But chose instead to get over myself and keep it up -- at least for this season.

Thank you so much for reading, for taking time to comment, and for having a good time. :)

Gaelic
erinrua
Oct. 3rd, 2009 07:17 am (UTC)
Yes, I wanted a hug! And for a split second, I thought we might get one, but ... Yeah. Still a lot of bruises to both their hearts. It's going to take some time, but now they HAVE time!

Anywho, just wanted to thank you again for your wonderful, insightful, squeeful ep review! I get happy every time I see you've posted your thoughts. :-) (For the record, I thought this episode totally ROCKED, so your squee was infectious!)

Also, giving up on the seriousness is a very good thing. I caught myself on that hook, as well, and in fact my 5.03 review came only because I gave myself permission to skip it, if I wanted. I'd been out of town and didn't even see it until the following Tuesday, but I managed to knock out a last minute review, anyhow. But only because I'm kicking back on the whole review thing, this season. I do it because I enjoy the show and want to savor the moments, but if I don't nail those moments down in words?

It's okay. And it's very okay for you to write or not write exactly as you feel moved to do. So there. *HUGS!* Enjoyed this very much, thanks ever so for sharing your reactions with us! :-) Hope to get mine done this weekend.
gaelicspirit
Oct. 3rd, 2009 11:52 am (UTC)
Hey lady!

I know I haven't gotten over to your LJ to read your reviews. I will give it a go very soon. I swear, though, it takes me a week to wrap up from one SoC before the next epi airs. :)

And I think we're both choosing wisely by letting the show be a show and just enjoying the hell out of it. :)

We can infuse the angst into our stories.

GS
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looselyspeaking
Oct. 3rd, 2009 09:25 am (UTC)
Second time of trying, just lost what I wrote as compy went off line, ack hate wireless sometimes.

So, this eppy was fab. Cass absolute star with his deadpanning and then transformation into a dope and sex loving mortal. I swear as he said 'I'll wait' I heard that tinkly background music you get when they put your phone call on hold! LOL.

I miss the boys being together but being totally base I gotta say how delicious it was to have a double dose of Dean. *vbg*

Jensen's double whammy acting was brilliant, the guy is so talented, and gave two very different Dean performances, though I preferred nowDean. The thought of him being so hard and cold and necessary is just... ::shiver::

The penny dropped for me when futureDean said Sam didn't make it, I just knew he'd said Yes. And how weird was Sam in that white Moss Bross circ 1970's suit. But it fitted the ego of the Devil beautifully. Dean, so determined that things were going to be different, atta boy.

I too would have loved a hug but I also didn't think it was the right moment. There are still awkward undertones going on and that's got to be ironed out with trust but I know it will come. Better together I believe. Family will rein over adversity.

Gaelic, great ramble thanks for sharing.

Jane :)

gaelicspirit
Oct. 3rd, 2009 12:01 pm (UTC)
Darn technology! It is our blessing and our bane.

Thank you so much for reading -- and taking time to comment. Sam's suit was just... gastly.

I preferred nowDean. The thought of him being so hard and cold and necessary is just... ::shiver:

100% Agreed.

ilaria84
Oct. 3rd, 2009 11:32 am (UTC)
another perfect review!I always try to put in words my feelings but I never succeed-thank god there are your reviews lol!it's important for me reading your reviews because I understand better alot of things that i miss during the episode so thanks again for this!
gaelicspirit
Oct. 3rd, 2009 12:02 pm (UTC)
Aw, thank you. You're such a sweetie. I'm so pleased you enjoy these.
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