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Stream of Consciousness, Epiode 5.15

family dont end with blood

I have to say … they could have sat in the middle of an empty room on barstools and stared at me for 50 mins and I would have been happy to see them. *grin* Okay, this is well and truly a ramble and completely unedited because I’m tired, so please forgive typos, etc.

 

I had some forewarning in the comments from my ramble with 5.14 that this episode, Dead Men Don’t Wear Plaid, was switched in order with 5.14, MBV, by The Powers That Be. So, knowing that, I was prepared to not have anything close to closure or continuation from where we left them, Sam burning out the demon blood influence in the panic room, Dean hanging on by his fingernails and asking for just a little help…

It wasn’t a “to be continued” event, after all. It just leveled us and left us hurting. That’s all. So, perhaps it’s good that we saw the boys in action and were treated to a different kind of pain in this one. It was mytharc related, though as far as continuing the storyline of the apocalypse, it was a miniscule baby step.

Essentially, we learned this: the Horsemen (at least DEATH) know that Bobby is pivotal to the boys’ survival and strength and they want to take that stronghold away. And…Bobby’s wearing down. Honestly? It seems that the only one who isn’t soul-weary from this fight yet is Sam. I’ll explain what I mean in a minute.

With THEN, we’re reminded that we have WAR, FAMINE, and DEATH out amongst us. Or, rather, once amongst us. ‘Cause I’m not entirely sure if WAR and FAMINE are dead or not. But all we got about DEATH was that Lucifer called him up right before Dean shot him with the Colt and Cas whisked the boys away on silent angel wings. So, while we didn’t see DEATH, he was apparently running amuck in the little town of Sioux Falls, SD.

Incidentally, I spent the best day of the longest family vacation in the world in Sioux Falls. Two weeks, one pop-up camper, seven people…from the Badlands to Mount Rushmore, we did South Dakota, people. Laura Ingalls Wilder’s home, movie set for Dances With Wolves, Wall Drug. We probably drove past “Singer Salvage” and I never knew it. *wink*

*ahem* Anyway. We’re also reminded of DALDOM where Bobby is trapped in his nightmare with his possessed wife that he was forced to kill. *sad*

It’s storming. Lightening, rain, thunder, the whole creepy bit. We’re in a graveyard, zeroing in on Clay James Thompson’s tombstone. Dude died in 2004, but that doesn’t stop him from clawing his way out through the mud and climbing free of his grave. Next thing you know, there’s a redneck in a Lay-Z-Boy watching the Discovery Channel who hears some scratching at his window that he finds weird.

Dude. It’s a thunderstorm. Hello. *shakes head*

We get the usual tension-building effects of opening the door to find nothing and then closing the door to have Mr. Creepy standing right there staring the redneck down. Mr. Creepy—aka Clay Thompson—goes for the redneck’s throat and as he bears him to the floor, the redneck kicking and screaming, we see a poster of a bunch of sports cars touting the phrase, “He who dies with the most toys wins.”

Guess he lost.

It’s daylight and the boys—dressed in suits so we know they’re on Official Business—are getting out of the Impala in front of a diner. Sam’s on the phone leaving what is apparently the zillionth message for Bobby.

Dean: He’s still not home? How far could he get in that chair?

It’s totally inappropriate, makes me grin, and completely exposes how worried Dean is about his friend and mentor. They decide to just…get it done, and sit down with their witness…guy. Dean addresses him as Mr. Wells to which the guy says they can call him Digger. *snerk* Dean wants to know who gave him that name. Well, turns out, Digger did.

Dean: You gave yourself your own nickname? You can’t do that!

People, this man cracks me up. He’s essentially undercover, trying to get people to believe he’s an F.B.I. Agent. And he’s giving them flack for nicknames. *LAUGHS* Don’t ever change, Dean. I mean it. Michael-in-a-Dean-suit would never have the character you do. Okay, sorry. Moving on.

Digger tells the boys that he saw Clay Thompson climb into Ben Sutton’s trailer. Clay walked out. Sutton didn’t. Digger is fully aware that Clay is dead; in fact, he tells them that Sutton killed Clay five years ago in a “hunting accident.” As they’re talking, a female sheriff walks into the diner on her cell phone, obviously talking to a kid, Owen.

Digger: Heads up. Fargo.

*Snicker*

The Sheriff, Jodi Mills, wants to know what’s up and the boys identify themselves as Agents Dorman (Dean) and Niedermyer (Sam). Now, usually I get the in-joke with the alias’, but this one stumped me. I know there’s a Hockey player named Niedermyer. Played (Plays?) for Anaheim, if I remember right. But I have no idea if that’s where they got that one and Dorfman? I got nothin’. So, if you’re more clever than I am (which won’t take much), help a gal out.

Sheriff Mills wants to talk to their supervisor, of course, so Sam confidently hands over a business card. Sheriff Mills calls and Agent Tom Willis (aka Bobby) answers. Only…um, she recognizes Bobby’s voice.

Well, duh, guys. You’re investigating a job in Bobby’s town.

She basically calls them on their “bullcrap,” says that Bobby’s a menace—been arrested for drunk and disorderliness and mail fraud—and tells them to go. Which they do. Right to Bobby’s. Looking incredibly indignant and not a little bit pissed, the boys confront Bobby and demand to know what he’s been doing.

Bobby: Playing murderball.

Dean: What’s that smell? Is that soap? Did you…clean?!

*BWAH!*

Bobby: What are you, my mother? Bite me.

Here’s the weird part about this scene—I mean, weirder than Bobby acting secretive and sketchy and evasive with the boys (especially Dean)—Bobby is hat. less. I KNOW! I think we’ve seen him without a hat like maybe, what? Twice? And one of those times he was unconscious and dreaming! With his hair all combed and his beard trimmed and that slightly rounded face, he looked like…my dad.

Bobby says he’s been working to find a way to, y’know, stop the devil and all, but has nothing to show for it. He deflects Sam’s queries about omens and lightening storms by saying it’s February. In South Dakota. During storm season. He says he’s sorry they wasted a tank of gas, buh-bye, don’t let the door hit ya in the ass on the way out. *frowns*

So, they leave…only as they drive by the graveyard, Dean stops. Sam’s face is a total question mark. He’s all, “Bobby already checked out the graveyard.” Dean’s not buying it, wants to take a peek (Bobby has been wrong before, after all) and Sam can’t see a reason why not, so next thing you know, we have boys in the dark with flashlights. And, I know I’m a total geek, but it looked kinda cool. A bit like the old days of digging up graves and salt-n-burning bones.

Ah, memories.

Anyway, they find Clay Thompson’s grave with what is obviously fresh-turned earth, and start digging. Or, rather, Sam starts digging while Dean helpfully holds the flashlight. *giggle* As we knew they would, they find an empty coffin. Sam’s like, what. the. hell. And Dean declares that something stinks. You can say that again, boy-o.

They break into a house—and it took me until the people showed up to figure out that it was Clay’s house because it wasn’t a natural jump for me to go from graveyard to dead guy’s house, but whatever—and cover each other in this very cool back-and-forth motion with the flashlights. I was all about the flashlight play tonight for some reason.

About five seconds after they split up, Dean is jumped by DeadClay and in a weird flurry of confused confession, we find out that yes, he is DeadClay, yes, he killed Ben Sutton (but only because Sutton killed him you see) and that he doesn’t know exactly what he is… Clay’s wife (very much not dead) comes around the corner and the boys cover with their FBI persona’s and take Clay outside.

Dean pulls his gun and Sam stops him.

Dean: He’s a monster.

Sam: He’s a…soccer Dad.

I get that it’s confusing, but I gotta side with Dean on this one. I mean, yeah, DeadClay didn’t act like a brain-sucking monster, but still. He. Was. Dead. And walking around. And dead. With all the apocolyptic crap going on, soccer dad or no, when it comes to that kind of stuff? Unless they’re angels, I think Dean’s instinctual black/white approach trumps Sam’s shades of gray. However, they don’t get a chance to get into a debate about it because Sheriff Mills shows up and cuffs them.

Dean’s all, hey, this is the dead guy you said couldn’t have possible killed that guy. Sheriff Mills doesn’t care who he is or what he did; Dean can’t take him out and shoot him in the street (because that would be Very Wrong). Hilariously, DeadClay is indignant about how he was about to meet his 2nd demise and the boys are hauled away with understandably baffled expressions.

In the cell, they try to hash out what the hell is going on: Sheriff on the take? Zombies paying her off? Total aside: there’s a profile shot of Dean through the bars of the jail cell…he’s sitting, looking down, pensive expression on his face, then glances up through the bars toward the main room and…guh. Something about the lighting, his expression…it was just…very nice.

They see Bobby sitting in with Sheriff Mills and are even more confused. Bobby gets them out and says, yes, the Sheriff did hate him. Until 5 days ago. When the dead started rising all over town.

Sam: You knew about this?

Dean: I think what Sam meant was you lied to us?

That was the kicker in all of this for Dean, I think. Not what he eventually found out, but that Bobby hadn’t trusted them—trusted him—with it. I think that was what gutted him the most. Bobby was his last family outside of Sam. He needs to be trusted by Bobby. He needs to know that Bobby has faith in him—in both of them. Because otherwise, they’re truly alone. And I think Dean’s just enough afraid of his brother not riding the hard line that he’d think of it as him being alone and not them being alone.

Bobby emphasizes that there’s nothing there for them. For the guys. Dean’s like, um, hello? Zombies? Bobby says there’s zombies…and then there’s zombies. We head back to Singer Salvage where Dean and Sam gape in shock as a pretty, dead, blonde woman greets them with food (at 4am) and offers to get more plates.

It’s Karen. Bobby’s dead wife.

*is gutted*

Seriously, people, how incredibly difficult must it have been for Jim Beaver to perform in this episode. It’s obvious he used his personal history, and it radiated from him in emotion so raw I whimpered. But how drained must he have been? And how much had his heart ached? I hope The Powers That Be took that into consideration when they wrote this. I hope they at least…consulted him about what they were asking him to do. But maybe that’s not how it works in the entertainment industry. Maybe personal heartache is tucked away for the sake of the story, coming to light only if it helps to augment your craft.

*sigh*

Annnd…there’s pie. Which Dean totally enjoys. lsketch42 did you see? Dean. Ate. Pie.The boys sit at Bobby’s table with Bobby, smiling politely at DeadKaren until Bobby asks her to give them a minute and she steps out. In unison, the guys push their plates aside, crouch low over the table, and verbally pounce on Bobby.

Dean: Are you crazy?

Sam: What the hell?

Bobby: That’s my wife, so watch it.

Dean gives Bobby this look. A sickened, pained, irritated, disbelieving give me a break eyeroll that almost makes me forget that I’m not peeking through a window at the lives of three real men who are their own definition of family. I love how he's able to do that. They discuss how this is happening—Dean’s like zombie? Revenant? But Bobby doesn’t know because he cremated Karen. There was nothing left to crawl out of a grave. Apparently there are only 15-20 Living Dead (Bobby has a list).

Clay, Karen…and then Bobby hits me where I live. Sheriff Mills’ son Owen is on the list. A kid. Not only do we have to think about that poor women losing her son, but now that son is back—and what mother wouldn’t move Heaven and Earth to have their dead child returned to them—and you know it’s going to get ugly.

At this point, I was reminded of that ghost story, The Monkey’s Paw. Where the old couple gets a monkey’s paw from some miracle merchant and they wish for their son—who was killed in a war—to return. And suddenly they hear the sickening approach…a drag, thump, drag, thump, drag, thump. Their boy had returned, but not as their boy—he’d returned as the corpse he was. Just before the wife opens the door and lets the monster in, the husband wishes him away.

I know the people of the town didn't wish this--DEATH cursed each one of them. But they welcomed it (at first). What if what you want isn’t what you want? What if just one more day is one day too long?

Sam presses Bobby about omens and Bobby reluctantly confesses that there were the lightning storms. The boys throw their hands up in an exasperated Duh! That’s what we said! gesture. Bobby reads from Revelation and says that he thinks this is DEATH.

Dean: Awesome. Another Horsemen. Must be Thursday.

*BWAH!!!* Okay, that? Cracked me up. I know it was meant to, but so what. It worked. LOL!

Dean gets serious, leaning toward Bobby, determination and reluctance folding together in the line between his steady eyes. He tells Bobby that he knows what they’re going to have to do. Bobby, eyes wet and pleading, says that DeadKaren doesn’t remember anything—being possessed, Bobby killing her, coming back, any of it.

Dean looks pained and says, “Don’t, Bobby…”

Bobby looks so completely fragile in this moment—like the next breath he takes might shatter him. His speech almost did me in.

Bobby: She hums when she cooks. She always hummed when she cooked. Tone deaf as all get out. And I never thought that I would hear it again.

In his book, Jim Beaver referred to his wife as “his girl.” It was that same sort of tenderness, the way Bobby spoke about this character and the way Jim referred to his wife that caught me. As if they were his reason for allowing his heart to continue beating.

The boys exchange a look and Bobby continues saying that Revelations says the dead will rise during the apocalypse—it doesn’t say it’s a bad thing…

Dean leans forward—and I swear 2014Dean slipped across his features as he tears out Bobby’s heart with his words—and asks Bobby what would he do if he were them?

Bobby knows what he would do, and he knows what they think they gotta do.

Bobby: But I’m begging you…Please, leave her be.

*GUH!*

What a horrible situation. Not just the choice the boys have to make, but Bobby—a life-long hunter, the sage, the one who roughed Dean up with insults just to get him back on the road to going after his brother—reduced to begging them to let his dead wife live. Or, y’know what I mean. If that’s not evil at work, then I don’t know what is.

I can’t wait until they defeat the devil. I think there will always be bad things in their world—I think there will always be ghosts to fight and creatures to kill. But this sinister, slick, under-your-skin, into-your-heart, deceptive evil is making my soul hurt. I can’t wait until they end the twisted manipulation that is poisoning them and everything around them. That is eating away at bonds and strongholds like acid.

I want them to light it up, to crumble it. I want them to stand—perhaps bloody and bruise, but not beaten—and watch it disintegrate.

The boys take a break at Roy’s Diner (which, as I write this, I realize that they’ve now gone two nights without sleep…) and Dean says he can’t leave Bobby alone with DeadKaren, no matter what Bobby says. So Dean goes back to the junkyard and Sam…does some sleuthing. Dean’s leaning against the Impala, watching the back of Bobby’s house, looking incredible cool and toe-curlingly tough, says I, when DeadKaren appears from out of nowhere and scares the crap out of both of us.

She invites him inside. For pie.

Okay—another aside. Has anyone else besides thruterryseyes  and myself seen the movie Ed and His Dead Mother? I know, it’s totally a bizarre title—and an even more bizarre movie with Steve Buscemi—but if you have, then you’ll know why the fact that DeadKaren baked 47 million pies and didn’t sleep was high-larious to me. Terry? Back me up on this.

Dean has a heart-to-non-beating-heart with DeadKaren and she tells him she knows what he is—a hunter. Dean, ever my hero, tells her that she knows he and Sam won’t let anything happen to Bobby. Karen does know this, actually, and she’s glad to have someone watch out for Bobby.

Then she confesses that she does actually remember—she remembers everything. The demon inside of her, what Bobby had to do, everything. Dean’s like, why don’t you tell him then? Karen goes out on a limb and says that Dean’s never been in love. She says Bobby’s her husband. Her job is to bring him peace, not pain. *rubs heart*

Meanwhile, Sam’s breaking into the house of “Ezra Jones.” There’s a blood trail, and open door, and a total mess inside. He sees an obviously sick and dying deadwoman lying on a bed and he hesitantly moves closer. She looks nasty – drooling, coughing, sores on her face. She beckons Sam closer and he mutters, “I’m gonna regret this.”

He leans in to hear what she’s trying to whisper…and just as I was bracing myself for her to do, she FREAKS OUT and launches at him, dropping him to the ground and drools this skanky white crap on his cheek. BBBLLLARRRGGHHH! It was gross, ya’ll. Sam holds her off and manages to pull out a gun and shoots her through the mouth (completely disgusting and disturbing, but an impressive camera angle/shot) and she drops down next to the rotting, half-eaten corpse of a man.

Sam’s completely skeeved out and disgusted expression and slightly gaggy whimper was priceless. Priceless.

But here…I gotta wonder. Did lore go right out the window? ‘Cause in CSPWDT, all a headshot did to ZombieAngela was piss her off and send her chasing after Sam. They had to stake her to her coffin inside her grave. How come they were able to take these zombie’s out with headshots? Was it just because DEATH raised them from his own little Pet Cemetery? And if so, how did the guys know that? I’m going with it because it made for an entertaining climax, but seriously, if they can change up lore like that, those who have poked me for doing likewise in fanfic (i.e., wendigo poisoning in Ramble On) have nothing to stand on.

Bobby tells a rather angry Dean that “old lady Jones” was the first one to rise. Which means she was the first to turn and all the Living Dead were going to go bad. Dean says with conviction that they have to stop them. At which point Bobby shocks the hell out of the boys (and me) by pulling a gun. He says it’s time to go, get off his property. (Ouch.) He says that if DeadKaren turns, he’ll handle it his way. Dean says that this is dangerous and Bobby cocks his gun, saying he’s not going to tell them twice.

He would not have shot them. We know that. They know that. But the fact that he felt strongly enough about it to pull and cock his pistol had them leaving out of respect and protection of Bobby, not of them. This was foreign territory. Dean parks just outside of the junkyard and says basically that even though Bobby went “Full Metal Jacket” on his own family, he has to go back in there and kill DeadKaren (without being seen).

Sam: I’ll just go to town and…rescue everyone. Should be easy enough.

*snicker*

Dean tells him he has to get the Sheriff on his side—who, Sam says, is pretty pro-Zombie right now. Well, you know what that meant. My stomach turned a bit as I saw where that was going.

I find the whole Bobby/Dean/Sam situation interesting, though. When Bobby was possessed and said those awful things to Sam, Sam was devestated. And when Bobby came back to himself—even though he was paralyzed in a hospital bed—he made sure to reassure Sam that they were good. That Sam was good.

But it’s Dean that needs Bobby. Sam behaves like if Bobby wants to stay with his dead wife, let him. It’s his wife. You gotta understand why he’d want to be with her. Give him this time. Mr. Tenderheart.

Dean, though, sees through the emotion to the truth of the matter: Karen. Is. Dead. This is not right, it’s not real, it’s not natural. This will only hurt Bobby—physically, mentally, emotionally. And his family just pulled a gun on him. Again. When all he was doing was trying to help. Good Lord. And yet what does he do? Goes back. Because he can’t let anything happen to him. What did he tell Bobby in TCCODW?

I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but me and Sam, we don’t have much left. I can’t do this without you. I can’t.

Admittedly, at this moment, I had a knot in my chest. Dean goes back to the junkyard; Sam goes to town to find the Sheriff.

Sheriff Mills’ dead son is sick and hungry. She’s on the phone with the doc (and how weird would that conversation have been) and fixes the boy soup, which she asks her husband to take in. Well, you knew right then that this woman was about to have the worst day of her life. When she goes into the room and sees the copious amounts of blood, all I could think was the word UNFAIR.

To me, seeing that zombie child with blood on his face and empty eyes, his fingers clutching his father’s entrails wasn’t scary or creepy, it was totally unfair. Kids usually creep me out—Lilith, the ghosties in the Pilot, the changelings in The Kids Are Alright—but this was just…tragic. To have lost a son that age…and then to have him back for such a short time…only to lose him again so freaking horribly…my heart just hurts. I think I’ll go cuddle with Mo Chuisle for a bit after this.

Sam saves the Sheriff and she’s quite understandably shaken up. I liked, though, that they had her hold up under that insane amount of pressure. They had her suck it up and do her job and not fold in on herself and go catatonic. Sam, poor guy, has to go inside the house (which, incidentally, looks a lot like Mary Winchester’s house in WIAWSNB) and…put down…DeadOwen. The only safe place that the Sheriff can think of to gather the living townspeople is the jail. Makes sense.

Meanwhile, DeadKaren isn’t doing so well. She collapses and Bobby notices that she’s burning up, but she says she’s just hungry. Karen’s…demise…is handled with much more grace and appropriate emotion than Owen’s. Bobby has her lie down on his make-shift bed and she tells him she can feel herself changing. She wants him to kill her before she turns. He’s holding her hand, his eyes glistening, his face lined with grief, and says he can’t.

She tells him she remembers—everything. Being possessed, what he had to do. He says then she should understand why he can’t do it again. Karen reveals that when she rose, she saw DEATH—a gaunt, pale, skeletal figure. He had a message for her. Before we hear that message, though, we cut to Dean who is sneaking into Bobby’s house. He makes his way part-way down the back hall when he hears a shot.

He bellows Bobby’s name, and comes around the corner to see Karen dead—again—Bobby holding bother her hand and the gun. The sadness etched on Dean’s face in that moment—the I’m so, so sorry in his expression—was heartbreaking. In that moment you know Dean would have done anything he could to have spared Bobby this pain.

Sam is at the jail with Sheriff Mills handing out weapons and instructions. Some guy asks who he is and Sam puffs up a bit and replies the he’s a friend of Bobby Singers.

Guy: The town drunk?

Sam deflates a little and points to Digger: I thought he was the town drunk.

Guy: Who told you that?

Sam quirks his lips and averts his eyes: Bobby Singer.

It’s the perfect cover, though, if you think about it. If Bobby’s a drunk and a menace, people leave him alone and don’t wonder about the odd collection of cars or the people coming and going or the screams or the shots or… Yeah, makes me worry about Bobby’s level of alcohol consumption just a smidge, but it also has me admire him for his cover story.

Back at the junkyard, Dean is gearing up, loading up the van with weapons and ammo, offering Bobby the chance to sit this one out. They hear a dog barking and a crash and Dean takes a shotgun and investigates, leaving Bobby stuck in his chair at the van. While Sam and the Sheriff are loaded for bear at the jail with nothing happening, Dean and Bobby are suddenly fight off a ton of zombies.

What happened to 15-20 on a list? Where did all of these zombies come from? And did they all rise at once? Why were they all turning so quickly? *head spinning*

Bobby calls for Dean while shooting anything that moves. Dean gets jumped by a zombie—Clay?—and finally shoots him off. Bobby gets knocked out of his chair. Dean shoots the zombie off of him, then hauls Bobby back up in his chair and wheels him back to the house…where they realize they’re running low on ammo.

Bobby: Yeah, I’ve got some. If you go past all the zombies it’s in the van where we left it.

Dean: A simple ‘no’ would’ve been fine.

All the zombies are at the junkyard—we come to find out—because they’re after Bobby. There are dozens—climbing through the windows, coming at them like mindless drones. Dean wheels Bobby to a closet and hides in there with him. Bobby’s concerned about the tight fit and getting caught in there.

Dean: They’re idiots. They can’t pick a lock.

The handle turns.

Bobby: Don’t you ever get tired of being wrong?

Dean: I’m making this up as I go. Sue me.

Ah…there’s my Han Solo-esque line! LOL!

The zombies get the door open and Dean starts whaling on them using his shotgun as a club. He’s desperately beating them back when suddenly he hears Sam bellow, “GET DOWN!”

And it’s the O.K. Corral with Sheriff Mills and Sam blasting every last head from every last zombie. Whew!

Next day, Sam’s keeping watch over a mass funeral pyre when Sheriff Mills and Dean return to say they can’t find any more zombies. The townspeople are traumatized and Sheriff Mills can’t even answer Sam’s “How you holding up” question. Can’t blame her. The woman should be thrashed. I can’t even think about the story they wrote for her too long without frowning. Sam says the pyre has all the zombies (and what a gross mess Bobby’s place must’ve been) except one.

Back at Singer Salvage, Bobby’s cremating his wife’s body. Again. He says to the boys that he guesses he should probably apologize.

Dean says that he doesn’t know much about love and all, but at least Bobby got to spend five days with her, right? Oh, that hit me in the gut. It’s exactly the wrong thing to say, and yet it’s the only thing you can think of. It’s like when people try to comfort a woman who’s had a miscarriage by saying that maybe it was for the best—the baby wasn’t supposed to have been born, so this was meant to be. They mean well; they’re trying to empathize and be reassuring. But what they don’t get is that they just hollowed you out and minimized the crushing grief that you feel at the loss.

Bobby’s reply of, “Which makes things 1,000 times worse,” made me tear up. “She was the love of my life. How many times do I gotta kill her?”

Oh, Bobby. It’s so much to take. Do we really ever know what we want? It’s like…being granted a wish for lots of money only to be told that your grandfather just died so that you could inherit it. Dean’s What’s dead should stay dead is poignantly true here. There’s only so many losses a soul can take. If you survive that kind of goodbye once, you shouldn't have to again.

He tells the boys that DEATH had a message: he was after Bobby. Because he has been helping the boys. Because he’s their last stronghold. He wants Bobby out of the way. Dean looks staggered and angry. Like he can’t breathe and wants to kill someone at the same time.

Sam just looks like a little kid. “But, you’re going to be alright, right, Bobby?”

Bobby just looks at Sam and says nothing. And I have a very bad feeling about this. I ended my speculations last season with one that I didn’t think Bobby would make it through this season. I thought the Big Bad would kill him off because that would be the last straw—that would make the boys give in, give up, give over.

But I think that if evil takes one more thing from these boys they’re going to unleash a vengeance neither one knows they’re capable of. I want that to happen anyway—without sacrificing Bobby—but I think that if they take Bobby from them (and us) they are going to reap the whirlwind.

Oh, this show. These guys. It wasn’t even that pivotal of an episode, really, and I’m worn out. I’m almost feel the exhaustion, the thinning of the walls I see in Dean. He’s outright said it: he’s done. He’s fighting this good fight because that’s who he is, but when it’s over, if he’s got nothing left, well, so be it. I see now the same is true of Bobby.

Sam, though, he still has something to prove. He doesn’t feel weary to me. He feels like he’s still has some fire. Even after the demon blood and the panic room (which, since this is kinda out of order, maybe next episode I won't feel the fire from Sam anymore...).  I think he needs to siphon some off and infuse his brother with it. I want Dean to light up and kick some ass. I want there to be a way for them to figure out how to get ahead of this evil, to gain an upper hand. A way that’s NOT saying ‘yes’ to an angel.

Because I think in this case, fire would heal some of the cracks and fissures we can see in Dean’s soul and Sam’s heart. They just need a welder.

I missed previews—the hubs had a soccer game to watch—but isn’t next week the big 100th episode? I am, proudly, still spoiler free, but I did remember that was coming up. Just wasn’t sure exactly when ETA: Nevermind. I stand corrected. Looks like they don't hit the centennial mark until April 15th. Carry on!

Thanks all—see you next week!

 


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lovinjackson
Mar. 26th, 2010 05:37 am (UTC)
Just about to watch it now ... my heart was breaking just reading this though. Catcha after I delve into it ;) Have a good sleep *hugs*
gaelicspirit
Mar. 27th, 2010 02:18 pm (UTC)
Have you watched yet? Huh? Huh????

*pops over to your journal*

How about now? Nnnnnow? How about nnnnnnnow?
aacoustical
Mar. 26th, 2010 05:44 am (UTC)
"At this point, I was reminded of that ghost story, The Monkey’s Paw. Where the old couple gets a monkey’s paw from some miracle merchant and they wish for their son—who was killed in a war—to return. And suddenly they hear the sickening approach…a drag, thump, drag, thump, drag, thump. Their boy had returned, but not as their boy—he’d returned as the corpse he was. Just before the wife opens the door and lets the monster in, the husband wishes him away."

I wasn't aware of that story, but when it's described that way, I instantly understand something from another show. Not entirely sure if you watch/ed "Buffy" but that exact same scene was in that show during an episode.

Which, isn't just a random note, because:

Dean: Awesome. Another Horsemen. Must be Thursday.

Is also a line borrowed from Buffy, when Buffy says,

"Dawn's kidnapped ... must be Tuesday." Cause that's the day Buffy aired when it was on =) Just interesting tidbits.

And about the whole Bobby thing ... I know that it will gut the entire fanbase but I really and truly do think that Kripke is going to kill him off. Because he's the most evil person on this entire planet, I do think Bobby's leaving us for the sake of complete and utter heartbreak and the devastating storyline that follows them Winchester boys. It hurts to say it and to think it, but it makes the most sense.

And I love that you brought up the whole "fire-Sam" thing. It's true and it's made me think about it even more. Since the Famine episode I've thought about Sam and his thirst versus Dean's ... well, lack of. And during that final scene we got before the break ... of Dean praying. Gah. Okay, well. When I think about it I kind of get lost for words because it's Jensen and the acting in that scene is just ridiculous, but, I think the whole balance-beam and "siphoning of the fire" from Sam to Dean might actually play out. Or at least Sam will realize that when Dean means done he really for sure means done this time. Least I'm hoping so.
aacoustical
Mar. 26th, 2010 05:50 am (UTC)
And also, next week is the 98th episode. ^_^
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laurie_bug
Mar. 26th, 2010 06:26 am (UTC)
"the boys identify themselves as Agents Dorman (Dean) and Niedermyer (Sam)...."

I'm thinking it's a shout-out to ANIMAL HOUSE (1978), which had characters named Kent Dorfman (the big, schlubby guy who pledges Delta) and Doug Niedermeyer, the crazy ROTC guy who belongs to the rival fraternity.

Anybody else concur?
gaelicspirit
Mar. 27th, 2010 02:31 pm (UTC)
OF COURSE!!!

OMG, I'm such a dork.

See, normally they use music alias' and I am totally in synch, but I was apparently NOT wearing the right toga for this epi because swish...right over my head.

I called out to my hubs when I read this and said, "Honey? If I said the names Dorfman and Niedermyer to you, would you know where they came from?" He immediately replies, "Animal House."

*feels sheepish*

Of course I called back, "Where were you on Thursday night?!"

LOL!

Thanks!
tiggeratl1
Mar. 26th, 2010 06:32 am (UTC)
I'm still reading this but...

Agents Dorfman (Dean) and Niedermyer (Sam).
Totally a shout out to Animal House! :D
gaelicspirit
Mar. 27th, 2010 02:33 pm (UTC)
*feels sheepish*

Yeah, laurie_bug beat you to it. *grins and points up one comment*

I am, apparently, the only one on the planet that did not gravitate to the obvious while watching.

Makes the alias' that much funnier, though. :)
(Anonymous)
Mar. 26th, 2010 07:34 am (UTC)
Dia De Los Muertos(Day of the Dead)
As much as this was a Bobby angst filled episode, I gotta say that this ep raised my disturbed creepness level just a little bit. I don't know why but I just felt just a bit wigged out from this ep. I guess it was the zombie theme which by the way I think is different from Children Shouldn't Play with Dead Things seeing as how Angela was raised from necromancy(I think)magic whereas these dead people were simply raised by Death himself. I don't know. That's my opinion on it. :)

Anyway, I was getting the wiggins from this ep. Especially DeadOwen. While you were thinking "Unfair." I was thinking, "Friggin' creepy!" Zombies? Not my cup of tea. But the Bobby moments just made my heart twists in all directions. My god, the man can act. There's a Jim Beaver interview where they asked him that question of filming this ep and about the death of his wife. Its... somewhere on SN.tv front page.

I sort of put myself in Bobby shoes if it was my mom who came back to me like that. At first I thought it wouldn't be possible because she was cremated. Well, that theory went out the window when Bobby said his wife was also cremated and yet, she was back. Honestly? Even if I did know what Bobby and the boys know about zombies or I was just a civilian with no clue and my mother showed up at my doorstep, I would be happy to see her but I would avoid her like the plague because that is NOT how I would want to see my mom again. It's like fate played a cruel joke on me or something. It wouldn't be the same. Hugging her wouldn't feel the same. I'd rather go visit the Djinn's version or go back in time where she is ALIVE and warm. Not cold and pale. I don't even want to think about what I would do if she suddenly turned ravenous.

Yeah... *ahem* so, Bobby? Love this man and he's not going anywhere. Nah-uh. Nope. No way. He's not going anywhere, damn it. I forbid it... tho I did read Jim Beaver's twitter comments, well rather vague comments on whatever episode he was filming and now this ending sort of feels like its confirming it. But he was being so cryptic and mysterious so who knows if he was just pulling the fandom's leg but.... Bobby!!!! Nooooooo! *cries* He would be the wrong block to pull out of the Jenga tower that would come tumbling down.

You haven't seen next week's promo? Here's a hint. I hope you don't mind me telling you but look away, if you don't wanna know....

... they both die. Again. lol.

~Crash_n_Burn
gaelicspirit
Mar. 27th, 2010 02:43 pm (UTC)
Re: Dia De Los Muertos(Day of the Dead)
I can totally get on board with the difference in the zombies being the way they were raised. Heh, that sounds funny, but you know what I mean. I can even buy into that being the reason they could be put down by a headshot.

I just wish they would have explained how the guys knew it was different this time and that the headshot would work. They skim over stuff like that sometimes and it bugs me. But not enough to not enjoy. :)

This is going to sound totally wrong, but I'm glad the kid zombie creeped you out. LOL! I know that was what it was supposed to do, and I know I was being overly sensitive. I tend to bring a lot of my baggage with me when I watch this show and it bleeds into these rambles. I was a bit raw while watching on Thursday night. So, good for the creepy factor for you. :)

I wish I could give you the biggest hug right now after reading that paragraph about your mom. My husband lost his dad about 6 years ago, very suddenly, and I've often wondered if he'd given thought to having him back. Especially after he became a father himself. *HUGS YOU*

Jim is the worst kind of tease -- especially for a spoiler-free fan. :) Being on Facebook is hard enough; Twitter would be the end of me.

And speaking of teases!

...they both die. Again.

Flag! Flag on the play! :) Although, death truly has no dominion over them, so I'm not really worried. They can't really die until this war is over. And it's far from over.
pinkphoenix1985
Mar. 26th, 2010 07:39 am (UTC)
Well, next week isn't the 100th episode :/

I loved your review but I have to disagree about Sam--either he is very stable emotionally or he's going to do spectacular freak-out...I honestly don't like that they don't really address this issue with Sam as they do with Dean. I don't like what it implies about either boy...but that's just me...
gaelicspirit
Mar. 27th, 2010 02:56 pm (UTC)
I corrected the ramble -- 98, 99, THEN 100! :) I was rushing things a bit, apparently.

Y'know, I've seen your replies on other journals and have noted your passion for Sam. It's impressive. I want to say how much I appreciate 1) that you come by and read my rambles and 2) that you're careful in how you word any differences of opinion. You always take into account how very "pro-Dean" I am and I really appreciate that.

Being pro-Dean doesn't mean I'm anti-Sam (as I know you know). On the contrary -- I don't think that Dean could be the hero he is to me if it weren't for the person that Sam was, is and will become. They complete each other.

That said, I want to clarrify what I meant by Sam still having fire, or not being as soul-weary.

I don't mean that to be a negative thing. I think they are both tired of this life and this fight and the constant battle. I think they are both wounded and worried and scared.

I just think that there's something that drives Sam that Dean doesn't have. Dean was hollowed out in Hell in a way that Sam -- who did go through his own version Hell, but it wasn't truly Hell and therefore didn't have the same physical effect on his heart and soul -- hasn't been.

And I think the demon-blood influence has a part to play as well. I don't think it gives him that fire, but I think because Sam is always aware of it he has something to fight against, something to prove to himself and his brother.

The moment that I can't get out of my mind when I think about Sam still having fire where Dean is mainly hot coals is that three minutes next to the Impala when they escaped from the mental institution.

Sam's admission that he was always angry and he doesn't know why was an epiphany for him, but it wasn't played as if he was on the verge of disintegrating. It was as if he finally realized why he fights so hard--not because he has a mission, but because he's compelled to by a force inside that he barely has under control.

Whereas Dean in that moment was walking a very thin line of control. If Sam had said anything other than "I'm with you," Dean would have shattered. He would have truly lost it.

In that episode, we saw that Sam's reaction to the wraith's effect was wrath and Dean's was submission.

That's an extreme example, but it's what I mean by Sam not being soul-weary. He isn't "done" like Dean is. When this is over, he's going to have something left and while Dean may have the iron will that propells him through the fight and sees him through to the other side, I think it's going to be his brother's fire that puts the pieces (of both of them) back together again.

Again -- totally just my opinion. But I didn't want you to think that I wasn't taking Sam's fight into account.

*deep breath*

Sorry. Got carried away. :)
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marta_kent
Mar. 26th, 2010 08:51 am (UTC)
Thank you sooo much for the link! You're lucky, I haven't seen episode yet, downloading...
gaelicspirit
Mar. 27th, 2010 02:57 pm (UTC)
Thank YOU for posting on SFO! :)
cathy1967
Mar. 26th, 2010 09:50 am (UTC)
Like always, your reviews just bring everything back to life and stronger than watching the episode.

This one had me on the verge of tears. I totally get if Bobby is about to give up. 'How many times do I have to kille her?' Yeah. It breaks the heart, doesn't it?

Like you, I see Sam as still retaining some of that fire and Dean as having a paperthin barrier between then and now. It's like all it takes is one little tip and he'll fall. And I hate that, to be honest. He's the strong one. Or was. Those damned angels are chipping away at his soul and I curse them for it. Good thing he's got Cas on his side. That helps a little.

The only way I can see Sam giving in to Lucifer is if Dean gives in first and -- don't shoot me -- but right now it seems like a posibility. He's on the edge of the abyss and it's about to devour him whole. Somebody needs to pull him back from the brink before it's too late. *sniff*

Can't wait for next weeks episode and your review. :D Always looking forward to that combination.
gaelicspirit
Mar. 27th, 2010 08:37 pm (UTC)
I totally hear you on the chipping away. But I think it's also a tug-of-war. Angels on one side, devils on the other. Nothing like a little chess game with Heaven and Hell to wear a guy out.

The only way I can see Sam giving in to Lucifer is if Dean gives in first and -- don't shoot me -- but right now it seems like a posibility. He's on the edge of the abyss and it's about to devour him whole. Somebody needs to pull him back from the brink before it's too late.

I can totally see this, too. It's like an odd balancing act. One moment I think Dean's going to give in to protect Sam and the next I think Sam's going to give in because he can't take anymore and then...

Argh! It's maddening! And wonderful! LOL

Thank you for reading, lady. Always good to see you.
chiiyo86
Mar. 26th, 2010 09:54 am (UTC)
It was great to have the boys back, and your rambling back! My Fridays will be happy again (until summer hiatus).

Here’s the weird part about this scene—I mean, weirder than Bobby acting secretive and sketchy and evasive with the boys (especially Dean)—Bobby is hat. less.

Oh, yes! I knew there was something weird about Bobby, but I couldn't put my finger on it. *is stupid* This was really strange to see him like that.

It pained me to see Bobby at odds with the boys like that. I think he lied to them because he knew that he wasn't doing the right thing, and he couldn't bear hearing the boys telling him so. :(

Sheriff Mills was great, I loved the actress and the character. But ouch, what happened to her was terrible. :(

I don't think next week is the 100th episode. I think it's 5.18.
gaelicspirit
Mar. 27th, 2010 08:39 pm (UTC)
I think he lied to them because he knew that he wasn't doing the right thing, and he couldn't bear hearing the boys telling him so.

I agree. He didn't want them to correct him. He wanted to live happily in the lie for as long as he could. And who could blame him? That's just what makes it so much worse. :(

You're right -- I was wrong. Next week is #98.

Thank you so much for reading. I always like hearing from you.
thruterryseyes
Mar. 26th, 2010 02:10 pm (UTC)
Of course you know that zombies are very popular as both subject matter and decor at my house (Edward says hi, by the way)so I got into the whole zombie thing although the way they dealt with it left me very confused and somewhat amused. I didn't make the connection betwen how they killed the zombies in this one and the one where Sam shot that girl oin the head. You have a point, but that's what artistic license is for and TV writers have always felt viewers had convenient memory loss and think they won't notice stuff like like. As far as I'm concerned if it works for the story, what the hell. I may notice infractions such as these but they rarely affect my ability to enjoy either a tv show, movie or fan fic.

Pointless ramble here)
I have to say, what the hell does it take to become "THE" town drunk? It must be something spectacular. Is it like being the village idiot? Because in my experience, most town are populated with a generous supply of idiots and I can only imagine the same goes with drunks. Did Bobby take on this persona of his own choice or was it bestowed on him by the town after repeated efforts to get people to listen to him? I was so embarressed for Sam in that secene, it definitely didn't build up his credence.

And about the pies (I knew you really liked that movie) There are so many subtle and not so subtle homages to various things in that show I can almost guarandamntee you ONE of the writers has seen Ed and His Dead Mother. There is absolutely no other reason for them to have done that.

Great ramble as always.

I'm going to work now. Grabs chainsaw out of closet....
gaelicspirit
Mar. 27th, 2010 08:49 pm (UTC)
I knew the zombie killing would get to you. Not enough to make you turn off the TV or anything, because, let's face it. They could kill them by blowing kisses and as long as Dean was doing it, we'd watch and be entertained. Confused, amused, befuddled, and disgruntled, perhaps. But entertained.

I have to say, what the hell does it take to become "THE" town drunk?

So, I have two theories/plot bunnies for this. *ahem*

1) It's real. Bobby started drinking when Karen died as a way to get past what he had to do (i.e., kill his wife). He got deeper into hunting, met John and the boys, dug himself out of the abyss, and sobered up. But not before he'd gotten himself arrested for some 'drunk and disorderlies.' Then, he picked up the bottle(s) again when Dean went to Hell and Sam disappeared (remember when Dean came back and he found all those empty bottles everywhere?). He amassed a few more drunk and disorderlies then, too. I could see him drinking to deal with the wheels, but I doubt he got arrested too many times...

2) It's a cover. By having the rep of being THE town drunk, he's dismissed as being unimportant and is avoided so he's free to do all the hunt-worthy activities he needs to. All he had to do is create a ruckus a time or two in town -- and there you go.

However, in thinking about how he dealt with Dean going to Hell and Sam disappearing...I kinda think it's probably a combo of the two.

And yes, I really liked the movie. What wasn't to like? I half expected Dean to find Karen in the fridge at one point.
primrose_1
Mar. 26th, 2010 03:18 pm (UTC)
I think that Bobby believed that there was nothing left that could hurt him. He lost his wife, had nobody but the Winchesters who he's seen die and get hurt in dozens of ways. He lost the use of his legs. What else was left? I don't think he could have ever imagined that they could hurt him in such a personal way. That he still had areas where he was vulnerable. It makes me sad.

In other notes. My random brain had a couple of stray thoughts as I was watching the episode. The first was WHAT was Karen wearing and WHY didn't she change clothes? Diner waitress dress was the only thing Bobby kept of hers?

The second thought was about the pies. When I was growing up our church ran a pie booth at the local Scandinavian festival, and every year my mother signed our family up to make 50 pies for the booth. Then, in our young women's group we made 50 more. I was looking at all of those pies and wondering where they got all the fruit. Bobby has a years supply stashed in the freezer? He went out and bought out all of the fruit in the store? What season was it, is ANY of that fruit in season right now? Maybe they got it frozen at Costco? Let's not start on flour and shortening for the crust.... Like I said, random. It's an illness, really. :)
gaelicspirit
Mar. 27th, 2010 08:52 pm (UTC)
Oh, my gosh. You made me laugh so hard.

I did do a head tilt about Karen's diner waitress outfit -- but not until she came out to the junkyard and invited Dean back inside. Until then, I didn't really notice it. But after that, I couldn't NOT notice it.

One idea is this: if he cremated her, maybe she 'returned' in the outfit he cremated her in. And if she was possessed, maybe...she worked at Roy's Diner, came home from work, got possessed, attacked Bobby, and he was forced to kill her and burn her. No time to change clothes.

What? It's a theory! :)

As far as the pie ingredients? It never occured to me until you mentioned it, but you are SO right!! I mean, seriously! That's a lot of fruit, flower, and sugar! And after it was all said and done...what happened to all those pies?? :)

Thanks so much for reading and taking time to comment.
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pielover62
Mar. 26th, 2010 04:10 pm (UTC)
That explains a lot!
I’m glad to know that the order of the episodes was switched, ‘cause I was a little confused by what appeared to be Sam’s remarkably fast recovery. In a way it makes the last episode more poignant, knowing what Bobby had just been through and what Sam had recently had to do. When Sam turned to go back into the house to put down DeadOwen I had flashes of “Heart”. Not quite the same, I know, but both incidents took so much from Sam. And the look on Sam’s face in that last scene when he’s pleading with Bobby to be OK! That broke my heart!

I, too, concur that their FBI aliases were definitely a shout-out to Animal House. While most of the inconsistencies with their previous Zombie encounter are explained by Death being the catalyst, I also think that this episode was a sort of tribute to George Romero and his classis Zombie movies, “Dawn of the Dead” and “Night of the Living Dead”. The scene where Dean and Bobby are attacked in the yard and the closet scene both seemed especially reminiscent of these movies.

All in all, an excellent episode to mark their return. I can’t wait to see what’s coming!
gaelicspirit
Mar. 27th, 2010 08:55 pm (UTC)
Re: That explains a lot!
And the look on Sam’s face in that last scene when he’s pleading with Bobby to be OK! That broke my heart!

I know! Didn't he look about five years old? You just wanted to put your arm around him and pat his head.

I also think that this episode was a sort of tribute to George Romero and his classis Zombie movies, “Dawn of the Dead” and “Night of the Living Dead”. The scene where Dean and Bobby are attacked in the yard and the closet scene both seemed especially reminiscent of these movies.

Oh! Nice catch, that! I hadn't thought of that, but now that you point it out, it's very noticable. I just wish they would have somehow snuck a line in somehow like, "Well, since these zombies were raised by DEATH and not necromancy or magic, we're going to have to gank them differently. What's that you say? Head shot will work? Fabulous. Head shot it is."

I know. I'm a geek.

I'm with you -- I totally can't wait to see what's coming.

pielover62
Mar. 26th, 2010 04:20 pm (UTC)
One more quick question.
I was unclear as to wether Bobby has always been known as the towm drunk or if this is a recent developement? I'm wondering if perhaps this was a heads up that Bobby's been dealing with his disabliity (or more acurately NOT dealing) with alcohol.
gaelicspirit
Mar. 27th, 2010 08:57 pm (UTC)
Re: One more quick question.
Yeah, I'm not sure about that either. I posed a couple of theories up above in reply to Terry's comment.

But I do remember when Dean came back from Hell he found multiple empty (and some full) bottles of liquor around Bobby's house. So, if he's dealing (or not dealing) with his disability via alcohol, it wouldn't be the first time he took that route.

AND he wouldn't be the first hunter to do so -- John and Dean being two big examples.

I'm going to guess that the 'drunk and disorderlies' were prior to the wheelchair, though. Just a guess, though.
lsketch42
Mar. 26th, 2010 04:41 pm (UTC)
"Annnd…there’s pie. Which Dean totally enjoys."

Oh, I saw. And I started flailing like a madwoman until my roommate started giving me the o.O look :P

Though, I am a little sad that this momentous occasion is over. I feel like it should have been saved for the series finale or something...like, "Sam and Dean...you just stopped the Apocalypse! What are you going to do now??"

*cue happy-yet-weary-and-somewhat-bloody!Dean*

"I'm gonna get me some pie."

*end scene*

;)
gaelicspirit
Mar. 27th, 2010 09:00 pm (UTC)
Though, I am a little sad that this momentous occasion is over. I feel like it should have been saved for the series finale or something...

I'm gonna go ahead and hold out hope for the both of us that Dean gets pie when the series is over.

And that he eats it with that sexy-as-hell-world-weary-shit-eatin'-grin on his face.
chemm80
Mar. 26th, 2010 04:55 pm (UTC)
What is up with my flist, lately? I must need to clean it up, because I'm scanning it for simple ep reactions and I actually breathed a sigh of relief when I finally scrolled to yours. *clings to your ramble-y side*

First off, I see from reading the comments here that I need to rewatch this episode sans the double shot of Jameson, because I don't know what half of them are talking about. I did get the Animal House shout-out, as did my three boys. I'm not sure whether I find that funny, cool or disturbing.

It’s obvious he used his personal history, and it radiated from him in emotion so raw I whimpered. But how drained must he have been? And how much had his heart ached?

Now, see, I thought this with DALDOM, even, which was much less raw than this episode (although Jim's loss was more recent at that point). Man. I don't know how actors do that method shit. I never really got into the behind the scenes, actorly craft stuff until I got to be a fan of Jensen's and he made me notice by being so freaking good at it, but geez...it just looks like really hard work to me.

At this point, I was reminded of that ghost story, The Monkey’s Paw.

The part about the sheriff's kid made me think of Pet Semetary, which is one of the only Stephen King books I won't have in my house or read again. Mainly because it's all about a parent's anguish over a dead child, even though the creepiness factor is very high, too.

Bobby: She hums when she cooks. She always hummed when she cooked. Tone deaf as all get out. And I never thought that I would hear it again.

That was truly lovely. And I haven't read Jim's book because I'm just not sure I'm emotionally up for it.

the fact that DeadKaren baked 47 million pies and didn’t sleep was high-larious to me.

I don't know if you're aware of the fandom euphemism for Sam and Dean dying is "they fell on pie"--I believe it originated with kroki_refur--but I kept thinking, "Oh no, someone's going to fall on pie..."

But on a more serious note, I did like the way they made Karen more sympathetic than intentionally evil.

she’s quite understandably shaken up. I liked, though, that they had her hold up under that insane amount of pressure.

I was cheering her on SO hard, wanting her to suck it up and be a hero and she did, but in a believably, visibly heartwrenching, scraping the bottom of the barrel of of her soul kind of way. Loved that.

But I think that if evil takes one more thing from these boys they’re going to unleash a vengeance neither one knows they’re capable of. I want that to happen anyway

Oh, I totally agree. Because after that, what do they have to lose? If they die in the last attempt, at least they've told the archangels to fuck off, right? I think killing Bobby would have the opposite effect: giving in at that point would be the last thing they'd do.

Sam, though, he still has something to prove. He doesn’t feel weary to me. He feels like he’s still has some fire.

I think "Sam, Interrupted" had a lot to say about this: Sam is much more capable of a sustained, cold, frightening anger than Dean, whose fury burns brightly but briefly. Dean's actually much more forgiving than Sam, willing to let things go by to keep the peace.

Gotta go...girls' weekend beckons! *hugs*

gaelicspirit
Mar. 27th, 2010 09:13 pm (UTC)
What is up with your flist? I do not know. *is happy you found my ramble-y side clingable*

I haven't read any other accounts/reviews/ thoughts on the episode. I usually don't except when someone says, "Go read this, you won't be sorry." So, I'm not sure what anyone outside this comment thread thinks about the epi...

I've now read Jim's book twice -- once for me, once for book club -- and I can tell you that it's an emotional ride. Though, once I was complete with it, I found it to be a positive experience because of how I looked at relationships and life. But the actual act of reading was emotionally wrenching and not one I'd recommend if you are feeling even the least bit raw.

I've not heard of the euphemism of "falling on pie" before. Lookit that. I learned something today. :)

If they die in the last attempt, at least they've told the archangels to fuck off, right?

EXACTLY! I couldn't have said it better myself.

And yeah, SI was the point I couldn't help but go back to when I was thinking about the Sam-fire stuff. I posted this up above in another comment:

The moment that I can't get out of my mind when I think about Sam still having fire where Dean is mainly hot coals is that three minutes next to the Impala when they escaped from the mental institution.

Sam's admission that he was always angry and he doesn't know why was an epiphany for him, but it wasn't played as if he was on the verge of disintegrating. It was as if he finally realized why he fights so hard--not because he has a mission, but because he's compelled to by a force inside that he barely has under control.

Whereas Dean in that moment was walking a very thin line of control. If Sam had said anything other than "I'm with you," Dean would have shattered. He would have truly lost it.

In that episode, we saw that Sam's reaction to the wraith's effect was wrath and Dean's was submission.

That's an extreme example, but it's what I mean by Sam not being soul-weary. He isn't "done" like Dean is. When this is over, he's going to have something left and while Dean may have the iron will that propells him through the fight and sees him through to the other side, I think it's going to be his brother's fire that puts the pieces (of both of them) back together again.


YAYZ! Girls Weekend! Have an amazing time. You deserve it. Be free to be you. :)

As always, it was wonderful to see you. :)

Gaelic
simplycolourful
Mar. 26th, 2010 07:50 pm (UTC)
This episode just killed me. And I absolutely loved Jim's acting in this one. When we first saw Karen, the conflict was so clear on his face.
The hunter in him knew that something had to be done, but the man in him, the husband in him just wanted to believe in something good.

That he had to kill her again just breaks me, but I think if one of the boys had done it, he would never have forgiven them.

I'm looking forward to next week, the previews looks interesting :)
gaelicspirit
Mar. 27th, 2010 09:15 pm (UTC)
The hunter in him knew that something had to be done, but the man in him, the husband in him just wanted to believe in something good.

*Gaelic breaks all over again*

I think if one of the boys had done it, he would never have forgiven them...

I totally agree.

I'm looking forward to next week...just because!! LOL! I would look up the previews, but I don't want to get spoiled accidentally. So, I'll just take in the tidbits others have left me and let my brain chew on it awhile. :)

Thank you so much for reading and coming by!
qultng1
Mar. 26th, 2010 08:04 pm (UTC)
You're spoiler free, so I won't tell you what was said yesterday. :(

Jim said about that death scene that it was emotionally draining. A few days ago, he posted that he'd been going thru Cecily's stuff and found some old cassette tapes of her singing songs that she'd written. He gathered them up, went out to his car (probably the only place he has a cassette player), and listened to his 'sweet girl's voice' singing those songs. The humming comment last night made me think of that, too. Man!

Jim tweeted this morning as he was getting on a plane that the pies were real, just real old. lol

A really awesome, awesome episode last night. I haven't watched it again, yet, but I will! And I agree with everything you said. I didn't understand the references for the names they used, either.

Dean leaning against the Impala was a mighty fine picture. :D

I've a feeling the end of this season is going to leave us with our hearts the worse for wear. :(
gaelicspirit
Mar. 27th, 2010 09:18 pm (UTC)
You're spoiler free, so I won't tell you what was said yesterday...

Ack! Who said what? Don't leave me hanging like that! *bites lip* You have me worried...

I can only imagine how exhausted Jim was after this episode. I could see them saying, "That's a wrap" and him heading to his trailer to sleep for days.

At least that's what I'd do.

LOL! The pies were real?? LOL!

And yes, Dean leaning against that Impala... I need a avi of that. *sighs happily*

Yes, I agree. This season is going to take awhile to recover from... *sniff*
mtee
Mar. 26th, 2010 10:52 pm (UTC)
Loved your review as always.

Here's my pet peeve.. which I've written on a few forums. I lived in Sioux Falls.. it's not a little town. It has over 140,000 residents.. large hospitals, symphony, art galleries, major chain restaurants, lofts, developments, rush hour, minor league baseball, arena football, CBA basketball, privates schools and lots of wind and snow!

Come on people.. do some research. Every town in SD is small BUT Sioux Falls. Drove me crazy.. since I lived there for 8 years. Not a podunk town where you could round up the townspeople and put them somewhere.

Also, this supposedly podunk small town has alot of Catholics since you have to be Catholic to be buried in a Catholic cemetery.. and I assume St. Anthony is a Catholic cemetery. Everyone who was raised was buried there.. right? Although the REAL Sioux Falls is the diocesan center for the Catholic relgion in SD - the Cathedral is beautiful (Christmas Eve mass.. with the choir.. beautiful)

So although it was a heartbreaking ep.. the lack of geographical knowledge is disheartening. Hey adding diners or restaurants or other landmarks that aren't in a city is fine.. but to make either the largest or second largest city (not sure how big Rapid City is) in SD a small rural town is just wrong.

Am I being too sensitive? I usually could care less. just give me the boys (Dean especially and being whumped please) and a decent plot and I'm a happy camper.
amyblair3
Mar. 27th, 2010 04:18 am (UTC)
I'm from Des Moines, IA and I have been to Sioux Falls, SD on many occasions and every time I go there I either A. Get Lost or B. Get a Speeding Ticket.

You are absolutely correct, Sioux Falls is way too big. But none of the towns are even close to being spot on (except for maybe Lawrence). Whenever I see Sioux Falls, I just imagine, their on the outskirts, kind of 'looking into' Sioux Falls.

Eh, I know.

Oh, and although I'm also Catholic, lots of religions have St. BlahBlah as their churches and cemeteries.
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amyblair3
Mar. 27th, 2010 04:09 am (UTC)
Oh! Well, first off, I did not know that the episodes had been switched and so now that I know that, I am feeling oddly better.

It wasn't my favorite episode, but I did like it. I was really very happy to see them spend so much time with Bobby and I loved him without his hat. I am assuming Karen was a lady who would say, "Bobby. Are you outside? Hat off inside." It made him look more like 'Jim' but it gave him such a wholesome look that I liked that. And is it me but is anyone even noticing the wheelchair anymore? I have a brother who is handicapped and I really don't ever notice it. Maybe it is me.

Loved the 'Fargo' comment. I am a lover of the movie 'Fargo'. It is one of those, for me, where I can watch it again and again and never tire of it. I also LOVED the 'Another horseman? Must be Thursday." Deliver it, baby!

I wondered the same thing about the headshot and Angela from CSPWDT. The headshot thing, I thought, was for ghouls, Adam and his mother-type. It was confused.

It was an odd thing the Dean/Sam/Dean thing. I don't know if they did it that way just to fit the story line or what. I mean, in SftD, Sam needs Bobby to know that he was the one that ultimately popped the cork on Lucifer. He wants Bobby's forgiveness, but I don't think he needs his approval. I think he loves Bobby, wants Bobby, but need Bobby? I don't know. Dean definitely needs Bobby more. Dean certainly talks about Bobby as a father-figure. Sam walks away from him when Dean dies to figure things out on his own. Even in the Trickster's world in MS, Sam doesn't 'need' Bobby.

I think he takes Bobby for granted more than Dean. I think it is part of Sam's make up more than anything. Sam has a darker side, less people are let in to his heart.

But then surrounded by the town, Sam saying he thought Digger was the town drunk, but the towns people saying it was Bobby? I think moments like that for Sam are "OH and oh" moments.

I think maybe since the eps were reversed, maybe we were suppose to feel "Huh?" about Sam because of what was to come and maybe wanting to see Dean connect and break with Bobby so that when he looked up and asked for "Help" standing outside in the salvage yard where Karen had burned not long before, that we would think, "This sucks. Poor Winchesters." And then sigh and think, "But, damn they're pretty."

Nice Ramble.
gaelicspirit
Mar. 27th, 2010 09:33 pm (UTC)
I think he takes Bobby for granted more than Dean. I think it is part of Sam's make up more than anything. Sam has a darker side, less people are let in to his heart.

I agree. I'm going to say this too simply for how I really feel, but... I think that when Sam has Dean he has this "I don't need anyone else" thought process. Personally, and this is just from observing my sibs and is not meant to be a blanket statement in any way, I think the younger siblings tend to take any other authority figures or protectors for granted in general because they have their older sib holding that role for them.

But the older sib needs to know that there's someone to turn to; they need to know that they're not alone. And Dean has already told Bobby on more than one occasion that he's like a father to him, that he can't do it without him. Dean NEEDS Bobby. It's deeper than just a familial connection.

Sam loves Bobby, but I don't know that it goes much beyond that.

And yes. They are so. very. pretty.

There were a couple of shots of Dean that I just wanted to freeze and capture and stare at while I let the rest of the world kinda fade...awayyyyyyy....
amyblair3
Mar. 27th, 2010 04:13 am (UTC)
Oh! And who the fuck wouldn't recognize the name Neidermeyer?
gaelicspirit
Mar. 27th, 2010 02:59 pm (UTC)
Who are you, the Animal House police? Bite me.

;)

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kyle1965
Mar. 27th, 2010 06:15 am (UTC)
I giggled every time the guys said South Dakota \0/ and laughed hysterically when Sam called Sioux Falls a podunk town :) it's the largest town here in SoDakland. Now if the writers had used Pukwana instead of Sioux Falls...

I will never believe Bobby lives east river, mainly cause it's east river :( but also cause in "Devil's Trap" his tow truck had a Lawrence County (west river) plate. Bobby lives around Central City, Lead/Deadwood, and/or Spearfish - at least in my world.

Once I got done giggling I just loved the entire episode...the pies, the Animal House reference, the zombies, all the head shots...even Bobby's suffering over having to kill his dead wife again. Even better - Sam got slimed by a zombie!!!
gaelicspirit
Mar. 27th, 2010 09:37 pm (UTC)
Hey Kyle! You're from SD, yes? :) I totally know exactly what you mean. I'm in Lawrence, KS. From the moment "Lawrence, KS, 22 Years Ago" swept across the screen in the pilot, I've done a little \0/ myself whenever my hometown is mentioned -- one way or another. :)

And, dude, good on you for noticing the plates! I would never have seen that. And I think it's funny that his plates were from "Lawrence County." Hee! Out of curiousity, what's wrong with east river?

Sam being slimed by the zombie?? SO. Incredibly. GROSS! What was even better, though? Was the noise of complete disgust he made after blasting away the zombie. After I got done quibbing, I had to laugh.

Made of awesome.

Thank you for reading and taking time to comment! Hope to see you again.

Edited at 2010-03-27 09:37 pm (UTC)
(Anonymous)
Mar. 27th, 2010 03:20 pm (UTC)
Hi gaelic-its meggin
Yeah-that was definitely a reference to "Animal House" which means that Dean was playing "Flounder"-hehe.

I too was disappointed that this episode was not a continuation from the last one before the Hiatus-because as a fan I've become conditioned to expect a dramatic cliff ending scene like the tearful plead of Dean's one word "please?" cast up to the heavens would surely illicit a response in the next moment we picked up the show. But I was also a bit relieved too, ya know? Because it would have been all to easy to have the writers throw Michael in at that moment saying "You Called?" Which may have been the original lead in had Supernatural not been picked up for the 6th season-who knows?

Any way this was probably the most poignant episode to watch on so many levels. As you pointed out, for Jim Beaver it must have been a true test to his professional ability to handle a hard role because of its emotional closeness. I heard that there were many scenes that had the camera crew and off set people wiping their eyes because they knew Jim and they knew he was playing it for real. So yeah, lines like the one that referenced his memories of her humming off tune and Karen's quiet grace when she tried to explain to Dean that when you really love some one you try to bring them peace and comfort not pain-gutted me.

In the debate of who it might be that is taken from the boys by the end of this season-because Kripke did allude to the fact that by season six the Winchesters would be down one "family" member-(shudders) I'm gonna say it won't be Bobby. First because it would be too cruel to take the last vestige of human family away from them and for practical reason Jim Beaver's got too much "play" vested in his character to have the PTB short sighted enough to loose such a good sounding board to bounce Sam's and Dean's personalities off of. That being said I'm reminded of other excellent characters that had miles to go on their usefulness but were killed off like: Eva, Andy, Ash, and Madison. Be that as it may, my vote is that Cas will not make it to season six. I figure that if the boys are able to resolve the Apocalypse Cas just might be reinstated back into Heaven. If His Father forgives him of his support and defense of the Winchesters. But I kinds suspect that is the whole reason Cas got the job of baby sitting them in the first place (LOL)Somebody had to watch over the idjits and Bobby is only human! I betcha before Cas goes skyward though Dean asks him to do him one more favor and give Bobby back his legs. Afterall he did loose the use of them fighting the fight against evil. And that might be right after Cas tells them he's going to be allowed back home and he does this miracle as a parting gift to show his grace has been restored. All in all I'll miss the trench coat wearing, dead pan, chemistry that Misha has with Dean, but after the apocalypse arc is over the show won't need anymore angels.

And this brings me to another thought-brace yourself. How long will Jensen and Jared want to still play Dean and Sam? The show may still go on but could it without them? I shudder as I write this but to be honest I wouldn't watch if Jensen's beautiful face was no longer going to be viewed. (Yeah-shallow-I know (LOL)And my wheels started to turn about this with the episode of Swap Meat. Because we all know how the writers like to foreshadow other arcs. I saw in my gut how they will solve the "problem" of Jensen or Jared leaving. Just write an episode where one or both of the men get their souls "swapped" into new bodies. Then when the original bodies are killed in the fight. The new bodies (new Actors) will go on playing Dean and Sam. Perfect explanation. And one that might have been used to end the show in the apocalyptic show down between Michael and Lucifer too. But I think the writers are keeping it in their back pocket to use for later. (sighs)
gaelicspirit
Mar. 27th, 2010 09:44 pm (UTC)
Re: Hi gaelic-its meggin
Hi Meggin! *glomps you* Good to see you, lady!

I hadn't seen Kripke's comment about losing a family member, but if I were a betting gal, which I'm not, but if I were I'd say it's Bobby. I don't know that I really consider Cas "family." He's a true friend, yes, and valued, but his angelic ancestry and the history he has with the boys...yeah, it doesn't feel family to me. It's more in the friend category.

But Bobby? Bobby is Uncle. And Dean's father-figure. And...yeah. Guh, my heart aches thinking about it. The next 7 episodes are just going to kill me dead, I think.

How long will Jensen and Jared want to still play Dean and Sam?

Well, I can tell you this much: if anyone other than Jared and Jensen play Sam and Dean (for longer than part of an episode, re: Swap Meat), I won't watch anymore. Because it wouldn't be Sam and Dean, then. It just wouldn't. It would be the story of two other characters with the same names.

I think that next season will be the last season anyway. The guys' contracts are done, and we're already losing Kripke as head writer guy. If they can keep the guys through S6, we'll be in good shape.

But I wouldn't watch anymore. I'd just ask some friends how the storyline played out (assuming they still watched).

Back to the pretty, though, they were bringing it with the looks this epi. I can't get enough of Dean's expressions. Seriously. :)

Thank you for reading and taking time to comment. See you next week?

Gaelic
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kumaproogey
Mar. 28th, 2010 02:15 am (UTC)
First, I just got your email response to my comments on your ff so I will respond to that here (since I have already started it and was going to mention one thing here that you brought up in your email).

So happy to have Supernatural back and to have your rambles back!

I thought this episode had sort of a season 1 feel to it at times. Some scenes and moments and shots were reminiscent of season to me. Plus, Dean looked younger than he has in a few seasons (not season 1 young, but younger). Apparently being engaged has done wonders for Jensen ;)

Having Bobby's wife named Karen was a little weird. Every time you wrote deadKaren - it was a little ominous.

I cracked up at the 'Must be Thursday' comment.

Bobby was absolutely heartbreaking. Especially when you know Jim's story. You wonder how much of that was acting and how much of his real experiences and thoughts on the situation he brought to the story.

I think Sam understands Bobby's desire for more time with the love of his love (i.e. Jessica). So he is more compassionate to the situation.

I figured that because the zombies in this episode and the zombie in CSPWDT were raised differently that's why they had different kill methods. I just go with the flow though.
~~~

I am so happy you got and are excited about the CDs. Like I said, I have way to much time on my hands. Hope you enjoy them!

I think the 17th should work - I am trying to figure something out at work (long story). Let's plan on that weekend and I'll let you know if it won't work. I am SO excited to see you as well!
gaelicspirit
Mar. 28th, 2010 03:08 am (UTC)
LOL! I thought of that after I posted... that you might get a chill at the repeated references to DeadKaren. Heh.

Jensen just... yeah. That is all. :)

Yay for the 17th! I will put it in pencil until I hear from you further.

*off to upload CDs*
erinrua
Mar. 29th, 2010 05:02 am (UTC)
I love your rambles, I love your brain, I love your eye for detail and your knack for intuiting the little subtle things, and I'm very glad you're around to help me clarify and remember what the heck I just saw.

Especially when I'm so desperately torn between sobbing for Bobby and freaking right the hell OUT! over zombie spit on Sam's face! ;-) Thanks so much for your re-visitation. My heart ached for Jim every blessed moment ...

Edited at 2010-03-29 05:04 am (UTC)
gaelicspirit
Mar. 29th, 2010 02:32 pm (UTC)
Especially when I'm so desperately torn between sobbing for Bobby and freaking right the hell OUT! over zombie spit on Sam's face...

INORIGHT???

Seriously, I almost had to look away. That was just... GAAAAACK.

And Bobby broke my heart. He didn't break me...I think that's reserved for Dean...but my heart really hurt at the end of this one.

*sniff*

It's good to see you. :)
(Anonymous)
Mar. 29th, 2010 08:56 pm (UTC)
Pinkchick
I'm so happy that the last stretch of the season is back on TV... as well as your streams of consciousness! I try to watch with as much detail as possible, and your musings and further thoughts make me think more about everything in the show in general and how it connects to the big picture.

Strangely, and sadly, I suppose, I don't get some of their FBI aliases... probably 'cause I'm slightly slow! So, when everyone says the aliases in this episode were from Animal House, I was still scratching my head. :D *Must go look it up*

Anyway, I did enjoy this episode. At first, I thought that Karen was just gonna full out turn evil or something, but I'm glad she didn't, knowing she would hurt Bobby by doing so. Bobby did break my heart though.

At this point, just like the Winchesters, he probably longs for a simpler life. One without the Apocalypse, where everyone (including himself) wasn't in peril. A life where he could hear his wife hum again.

It's hard. I was reminded of my great grandmother in this episode and how whenever I walk into her house, I still look at the spot she used to sit in, only knowing she's not gonna be there.

Like Bobby said, it is harder because he got to see her again and all those memories came rushing back, and then having to do the same thing over again. And also slightly creepy how Death took time out of his probably busy schedule *note sarcasm* to deliver a message to Bobby. I think it was to dampen his spirit and not off him... yet.

Thinking about it just sucks. But, I'd say Apocalyptic stalking is creepy. :)

I did love the fact that Sam and Dean, while investigating soccer dad's house split up with just a look. So glad they're getting their groove back even while the world is falling apart around them. :)

I don't know if this episode was foreshadow for the future of Bobby, but I can't wait for the ride and your ramblings to accompany them.

--Pinkchick

P.S. I noticed, out of complete random fanfic surfing on my part, that you posted a couple of stories recently. Strange that fanfiction isn't sending me alerts, but I'll check them out soon enough.

Take care!
gaelicspirit
Mar. 30th, 2010 04:59 pm (UTC)
Re: Pinkchick
Well hello there! It's good to see you. Darn ff.net for dropping the ball on alerts. I'll look forward to your comments if you have the opportunity to read and review anything new. :)

I was reminded of my great grandmother in this episode and how whenever I walk into her house, I still look at the spot she used to sit in, only knowing she's not gonna be there.

*sniff*

Isn't that funny how much we condition ourselves with routine and familiarity? My grandmother always wore Cover Girl powder. Nothing else make-up wise, just the powder. She passed away about 8 years ago now and every time I smell that powder I still instinctively lift my head to look for her.

Don't feel too bad about not getting the alias'. I've seen Animal House (once) but it took my hubs saying "it was this character and this character" for me to really get it. They challenge us, those two! :)

But, I'd say Apocalyptic stalking is creepy.

BWAH!! Okay, I totally agree there! LOL! DEATH, you are one creepy dude.

Thanks so much for reading and taking time to leave your thoughts! See you soon!

G
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