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As I replied to comments on the ramble for Episode 6.18, some overall thoughts were triggered that I wanted to share with whomever cared to read prior to watching The Final Four.*

This is an attempt to explain (justify?) the position I've taken since episode 6.13 to put positive energy out in the universe when it comes to our show despite plot holes, character development gaps, or what have you. I love this show. I've never had an obsession such as this one. But I recognize that for everyone, show-love isn't unconditional.

And I just want to say that this -- as with all of my rambles -- is just my opinion, point-of-view, etc. All opinions and thoughts are, as always, welcome and I don't expect anyone to agree with me.

(*And I hope that's not truly FINAL Final Four...just final for Season 6....)

So, some very honest thoughts/replies -- both to the ramble and posted by other reviewers on their LJs -- in reaction to an episode I was a bit over-the-top giddy about got me wondering about spinning the positive midst an experimental season. Made me wonder if I handwaved too much and wasn't honest enough about the storytelling this season. 

The question boiled down to this: have I lowered my standards too much when it comes to enjoying our Show?

And the answer I came up with was yes. And no.

Yes, I think that overall this season I've lowered my standards as to what the show will offer us because Sera isn't the same as Kripke and while that's okay, it has me realizing how much I had come to depend on a certain type of storytelling when I first set those standards.

No, I don't think it's too much because who wants to be consistently disappointed each week? I am too invested in these characters to quit them. And I want to be entertained -- specifically by THESE characters.

So, I do what is necessary to achieve that. Like not expect certain character behaviors simply because we've had them behave a certain way before. Or basically, not expect anything. There's a great line from the movie The Untouchables that James Malone says to Elliott Ness: "Don't wait for it to happen. Don't even want it to happen. Just watch was does happen."

That's the outlook I've tried really hard to take since the moment we learned Sam had no soul. I know that to some it probably seems like I'm settling on something less when our Show could be (and has been) so much more, but.... Well, I don't know that I see it that way. I see that I'm invested in something after so many years of watching these guys and riding this ride and so if this is the way that it is -- even if it might not be as gut-wrenching or earth-shattering or well-told as it's been in the past -- then this is the way that it is.

Let me back up a smidge and see if I can make myself make sense. Last week while traveling, I downloaded some books on my Kindle -- a couple in a detective-oriented series by John Locke. They were entertaining. A very quick read because there wasn't much to them. Several smirk-worthy and a few laugh-out-loud-funny one-liners peppered the dialog, but there wasn't a lot of heart. I didn't really feel for the characters' plights. And there were mistakes, too. Easy-to-spot plot holes that I couldn't believe a publisher let slip through.

But, all-told, I enjoyed them. Then, I shifted to Stephen King's latest collection of short stories, Full Dark, No Stars. And it was as if I just took a deep, cleansing breath. Those of you who don't like Stephen King's writing, just insert your favorite author in this example and you'll get what I mean. Even the characters who were up to reprehensible activities in those stories were easy to relate to and the pacing, dialog, and connections between the characters simply resonated.

The point being -- I didn't realize that the other writer was basically mediocre until I compared him to a writer I considered exceptional.

Now, with our Show, for me, it's reversed. Only...I didn't truly realize it was reversed until we got further into this season. I know that there are a myriad of opinions about the journey of the story and characters through Seasons 4 and 5 (and perhaps even back to 3), but taken as a whole, I feel that what we're getting with this experimental season from Sera isn't of a comparable standard to what I'd come to expect from the five seasons preceding her control.

This is NOT to say that I think she's doing a poor job. I have been entertained, confused, horrified, heartbroken, amused, intrigued and completely enchanted over the course of the last 18 episodes.

But what I realized after replying to comments from Frontierland is that what's been lessened for me this season in the wake of a number of 'gimmicky' episodes is the kick-to-the-gut, heart-wrenching moments that twisted me up time and again over the last five years. I could list those moments, but...I don't think I need to. There has been so much that has occurred between these brothers that if you've been along for the ride, you probably have your own list. [ETA: Just want to say that 'gimmicky' isn't bad...it is just not the usual way of furthering a storyline, that's all. I've been thoroughly entertained by these 'gimmicks.']

For some people, the "lessening" may be the loosely threaded plot (beginning a bit like a film noir and progressing into...well...I'm not entirely sure yet). For others it could be character balance and clear storyline paths. For others still, there might not be a problem at all! They may be loving this season, and good for them! 

But for me, it's been the emotional connection between the two brothers -- and therefore from me to the brothers -- that has just been...less...this season. And I'm sure it has a great deal to do with the fact that we started out without our Sam and then got him back so swiftly and controversially in one big bang of light and now it's been a bit like the Show is saying, all that stuff that came in the first 12 episodes? yeah, forget that...we're going to reunite the brothers and it's all good. Which...leaves me feeling a little like we skipped a step.

I started Season 6 with as open a mind as I feel I'm capable of when it comes to these characters -- my hero in particular. And I think there have been some rather spectacular moments and completely intriguing plot introductions and possibilities. As we've journeyed forward, though, it feels like something's been lost along the way when it comes to these characters.

But, rather than lamenting that loss, I decided I'd have more fun if I just enjoyed what they give us. Not blindly, mind you. I mean there are still times when I'm like where did that come from? And How does this makes sense now if that made sense before? And Where are they going with this? All of that.

And, yes, there have been some changes to my hero that I didn't see coming. The writers have...harnessed him in some ways. But then again, after six years of watching these characters learn, grow, and survive, there are destined to be some changes and some mellowing here and there.

I mean, if Dean, for instance, had allowed the horrors he's experienced in his life -- from Hell, to betrayal, to dealing with the ramifications of Sam without a soul -- to continue to affect him the way I'd personally like to see it all still affecting him, he wouldn't be able to function as he needs to in order to do the job he feels he's been put on the Earth to do. He was as close to complete despair as a person can get toward the end of Season 5, and we didn't see him during that year with Lisa, so for him to return to hunting from trying to fit in where he never planned on fitting just to face RoboSam...well, it changed him a bit.

I can understand the writers thinking that this character has been through so much, it's either the 'blanket apology' approach, or it's writing a souled version of RoboDean.

Not to say this position of acceptance satisfies me on all fronts, but I can go with it and adjust what trips my trigger in order to keep seeing where the writers are having the characters come from. For example, I suspect that the 'blanket apology' that Dean issued at the end of 6.16 will become a back door of sorts for the writers in the final four episodes when having to deal with the pain that they placed in the path of our two favorite brothers at the beginning of the season.

With that graveside sentiment, the writers don't have to write Dean dealing with any of the heartache visited up on him through a soulless brother (which would be disappointing for me because I would hate for them to drop it entirely -- that just makes for a loose story). But they could still approach it from Sam's POV -- his reaction to memories of what he said and did to Dean when he was still "him"...only not "himself," and that could lead to some of those kick-in-the-gut, heart-wrenching moments I've been missing (which would mean I could still see a recourse story-wise as I'd like...just not necessarily in the way I'd like to see it...if that makes sense).

Anyway, that's how it works for me. It may not be unfolding the way I would've like to have seen with my particular favorite character, but it's still happening to him and around him and affects his continuing story (should there be a continuing story) and so, I go with it just to see more of them. Him.

Yet, even with the loss of umph that I've felt with this season, I personally think that the journey of our heroes has been worth the investment of time. I still hold out hope that within the last four episodes of the season, the majority of loose ends -- Angelic Civil War, missing God, Castiel's "regrettable things, currency of human souls, Alpha monsters, Purgatory, Mother of All, Death's role in all of this -- will be woven together to make sense of what right now feels a bit like a precarious Jenga tower.

I think that despite the myriad of question marks, there has still been so much to enjoy this season. I am, as always, completely intrigued watching our boys' follow the path the writers lead them down, even if it's not a path I would've wanted them to travel (or thought they'd choose to travel based on what I've observed of them through the years).  I'm entertained by their connections and their interaction, even if those interactions aren't as full of feeling/angst as they have been in the past.

The history is there--between them and for us. We've been on this road with them all this time. And we've connected to each of them based on our different preferences or internal filters. We can't control what the writers decide is their destiny;  we can choose to lament the character layers that had been built up over five seasons sloughing off from lack of attention. But no matter what, I think that there's still something in each episode for us to latch onto. Something for us to be entertained by. 

And so that's where the attitude of enjoyment in the face of potential disappointment stems from.

I'm holding on tighter to the investment in our boys and and letting go a little bit of my investment in our Show so that I can continue to enjoy without being let down. I can roll with the fact that it's not my story and continue to hope that the pieces form a complete picture and not a hole-filled puzzle. Even if, at the end of the day, this Season as a whole is in any way 'less' in comparison to Seasons past, I will still have been entertained.

Maybe some of you think I'm nuts for even thinking about this. Maybe it sounds like I'm searching for ways to make passable storytelling acceptable. Maybe I'm not drawing a hard line when it comes to being true to the characters. Maybe I'm...settling. If that's the case...I'm okay with that. Because I get to see Dean and Sam and be entertained each week they're on.

And lowering my expectations for the chance of *squee* doesn't really feel like settling when we get something as fun as last week's episode. *smiles*

Thanks for listening to another ramble. If you're so inclined, I'd love your thoughts (even as I prepare to duck behind the couch if anyone decides to throw rotten tomatoes at me).

Comments

( 27 Tall Tales — Tell Me A Story )
kelios
Apr. 26th, 2011 05:22 am (UTC)
I can't entirely sympathise, because S6 has been a godsend for me. I'm actually enjoying Supernatural for the first time in two years, as opposed to watching because I don't know how to quit Sam and Dean. I enjoyed the RoboSam part of the season...it was an interesting twist, and I was glad to see the guys back together. And I'm so happy to see Sam and Dean being something close to brothers again that I'm willing to overlook some brushed over areas like Dean's trauma. As you mentioned, if they tried to show that realistically, he wouldn't be able to function, which would make the show much less entertaining for me.

And a thought about the 'gimmicky' eps...I think they are doing it in part because they can. Before, they had a set goal and a time frame, things that had to be done to get to the finishline. Now...they have a little more leeway. They can relax and have a little more fun, do some of the things they wanted to before but maybe couldn't fit in. I dunno. But I'm enjoying it a lot, and I hope that they can keep it up :)
gaelicspirit
Apr. 26th, 2011 01:20 pm (UTC)
*grins*

I think this is fantastic. And it's so refreshing! Your post makes me incredibly happy because for the most part it seems (and maybe I'm just hitting the wrong places) I see discontent about the season.

I'm glad you're enjoying Season 6 so much because this is a Show I LOVE like no other. I mean, letting go of my 'investment' in the show a bit does nothing to let go of my love for it. I've never had an obsession like this one. *laugh*

Thank you so much for posting this and sharing your thoughts.

Before, they had a set goal and a time frame, things that had to be done to get to the finishline. Now...they have a little more leeway. They can relax and have a little more fun, do some of the things they wanted to before but maybe couldn't fit in.

That's a really good point. I enjoyed the Titanic episode and Frontierland SO MUCH. I squirmed a bit through some of The French Mistake but I'm weird about 4th wall stuff. That's just my own quirk and means nothing about the show.

I think I'm just used to -- or perhaps I just yearn for -- getting more of the story in bigger chunks rather than parceled out as it's been around these different types of storytelling. But like you said...now they can! :)

Plus? There are still four episodes left, so plenty of story to show us.

Thanks for not throwing tomatoes (or anything bigger) at me.

Have a great week!


Edited at 2011-04-26 01:27 pm (UTC)
kelios
Apr. 26th, 2011 03:10 pm (UTC)
I completely agree about getting the story in larger chunks, actually. That was my one big issue with The French Mistake in particular--it was great, it was funny, but...we spent a whole ep to find out that Balthazar is now on Castiel's side and Cas was willing to use the guys as bait? Tho now that I write it out, the Cas using the guys as bait part is kind of important and ties in to the emerging storyline better than I'd originally realized. Hmmm.

A lot of fams don't like S6. I think the change in story telling style really threw a lot of people, plus a lot of fans REALLY didn't like RoboSam and are very passionate in that dislike. Which I can understand completely, since I'm very passionate about SPN as well, particularly Dean :)
gaelicspirit
Apr. 26th, 2011 03:13 pm (UTC)
Which I can understand completely, since I'm very passionate about SPN as well, particularly Dean :)

WORD. :) *grins*

I think this whole post is basically my deep breath before we get to the end and find out how everything is going to fit together.

Hopefully by posting it, I haven't ticked people off. But...I kinda just felt like I wanted to say that I love the show. Even if it's not exactly what I thought it was going to be this 6th year.
msninacat
Apr. 26th, 2011 06:34 am (UTC)
I feel sad that you felt you had to defend yourself for watching a show you love but I also know that feeling.

For me the actual ending of the show was Swan Song. That was Kripke's original run. What we're getting now is a bonus or a thank you and I don't think enough people get that. It was never gonna be like the first five seasons because we got to the end game and now we're in the aftermath. We're dealing with the consequences of what happened and if these characters didn't change due to all those circumstances, then I'd be disappointed.

Like you I'm not blindly in love with everything I've seen. But I am grateful and in love with the fact that I get to see these characters I love just a little bit longer. I will air my unpopular opinion in "public" for the first time: I'm really hoping that we get season 7 and that they wrap it up there. That gives us enough time to get resolution for all the things going now and for the show to bow out before they run out of fresh ideas for it.

I would have honestly been happy had it ended with Kripke's original ending that wasn't tweaked to add things to set up an additional season. I'm going to sit back and be grateful for the extra time I got.

Also, the people whining about the show the most have only themselves to blame because they have consistently complained LOUDLY online that the show isn't doing something right and then when the show listens and does what they wanted, they bitch about that. If you hate everything, stop watching the show.
gaelicspirit
Apr. 26th, 2011 01:24 pm (UTC)
My defending myself probably just stemmed from my own paranoia and a little bit of frustration. I saw my name mentioned in a series of comments on a thread of someone on my f-list (someone I don't really talk with much) and it was insinuated that I just look for the happy without digging any deeper for meaning.

But that's not true. I dig deeper. I just choose to not let it bother me if I don't find it.

But I am grateful and in love with the fact that I get to see these characters I love just a little bit longer.

YES. This.

I'm really hoping that we get season 7 and that they wrap it up there. That gives us enough time to get resolution for all the things going now and for the show to bow out before they run out of fresh ideas for it.

I agree with this, too.

Also, the people whining about the show the most have only themselves to blame because they have consistently complained LOUDLY online that the show isn't doing something right and then when the show listens and does what they wanted, they bitch about that.

It's so frustrating to me. I love this show. These characters and I try to put that out there with ever ramble I write. And then I see, time and again, the disgruntled masses overwhelming the internet with things they don't like. I just want people to watch what happens and enjoy what we're given. That's all.

Everything else just makes me sad.

So, I like your outlook that this is a 'bonus'. :)
msninacat
Apr. 27th, 2011 08:50 am (UTC)
I totally understand. Let me tell you those people clearly don't know you at all. I come here because you break down the show scene for scene. Detail for detail. You dig the deepest of any person I know and I bring my conspiracy theories to you more than even my own friends because I know you'll help me dissect them and help me strengthen them or reassess them.

Unfortunately you get a lot of crap from people who are watching for the pretty but don't want to admit it so they sling accusations at people who watch the show because the love the WHOLE show.

Just know, even if we are the minority, you have a safe place of people who actual watch the show for the story and it's characters and still love it no matter what.
gaelicspirit
Apr. 27th, 2011 01:32 pm (UTC)
Just know, even if we are the minority, you have a safe place of people who actual watch the show for the story and it's characters and still love it no matter what.

*glomps you* THANK YOU for saying this. :) You made my morning.
(Anonymous)
Apr. 26th, 2011 02:54 pm (UTC)
Pinkchick
This was very thinky. So, thanks for that. I know a lot of people, like you, have watched this show from the very beginning. I missed the first 2 seasons and half of the 3rd until my friend kept bugging me for a good 2 months about watching this show.

"You'll love it," she said. And love it I did.

My siblings and I watched straight through every season and only started watching weekly after the writer's strike was over.

Let me explain why I've just blabbered on about how I got started watching the show.

I'm sure there have been several moments in the past (not only in season 6) where you've thought, "Well, where are they going with this?" and I feel it's because we used to go a whole season before we got the bigger picture.

And in some cases, we went seasons before we clearly understood what it all meant. Watching the first 2 and a half seasons back to back made it easier to get through everything and not necessarily dwell on a not so great episode.

Now, I do agree that there hasn't been enough angst this season and that I also am wondering, "I hope the buildup is satisfying enough."

I read somewhere that someone thought they couldn't really be invested in the Mother of All because we haven't spent enough time with her and don't know what her endgame is.

However, I remember back in season 3 when they would constantly yammer about a new up and comer who was after Sam. We find out later it's Lilith, but we don't REALLY get to meet her until the season finale. And still don't find out the endgame until the end of season 4.

Whooh, ok. That was a lot of yapping on my part. I guess what I'm trying to say is that don't let the haters spoil your enjoyment of a show you obviously love and feel passionate for. There are still times I go back to watch an episode I didn't particularly like and find that I enjoyed it much more immensely the second time around.

Fans are always gonna bitch about something. They (not you) whine that they've forever screwed up Sam and Dean's personalities. But, they're the writers. If we can't trust them, then who can we trust? After all, if it weren't for them, we wouldn't have Sam and Dean. :)

And, if it makes you feel better, Kripke did write the season finale. And, I hope there's so much angst in the next 4 epsiodes that we're left trying to pick up our jaws in the summer.

You're not lowering your expectations. I suppose you could say, you're waiting for the big bomb to drop at the end that makes you go, "Oh. I get it now." Which I truly hope you'll get that.

I'm not trying to defend anything either because I've also felt this season a bit... interesting. Not necessarily in a bad way. I don't think I was even completely aware of what noir truly meant until this season, so maybe that's it. The same characters being seen through different storytelling. I just look at it as the start of a whole new adventure for Sam and Dean.

Although I don't know if I'll forgive the writers the introduction of the Campbells if they don't explain why Samuel was brought back. And while the Mother of All isn't necessarily creepy yet. Her monsters are. Other than that, I think this has been an interestingly compelling season.

Thank you for remaining positive and for being brave enough to open up like this. I hope the final episodes don't disappoint you.

Thank you for your ramble and for reading mine. :D

gaelicspirit
Apr. 26th, 2011 04:15 pm (UTC)
Re: Pinkchick
*grins*

I love this back story as to how you got hooked on our Show. You tagged me, though. I've been watching from day one, and haven't missed an episode.


And in some cases, we went seasons before we clearly understood what it all meant


This is true. And I've said several times (mostly just to keep reminding myself) that this is a season I'll only truly understand in retrospect. My very sincere hope is that we get to the end and go, "Oh, I Get it!!" That would be awesome storytelling.

I just kind feel right now that it's a bit too loose with only four episodes to go and I'm losing a tiny bit of that faith that it's all going to come out at the end.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that don't let the haters spoil your enjoyment of a show you obviously love and feel passionate for.

I won't. ;) Thanks for saying that, though. I hope that those who read my rambles see that my passion for this show is unwavering. I may not be as "on board" with some of the choices that they've made with the storyline and our boys this year, but my investment in them is such that I'm willing to roll with it just to see what happens.

You're not lowering your expectations. I suppose you could say, you're waiting for the big bomb to drop at the end...

Okay, that's a good way to look at it. :) Though, I do feel like I've chosen to accept a bit less when it comes to how they're writing my hero simply so I can keep enjoying our show. But, that's just my perception, y'know? Doesn't mean it's right. :)

Although I don't know if I'll forgive the writers the introduction of the Campbells if they don't explain why Samuel was brought back.

Yeah, I'm hanging in there for more info on this, too. It seems like such a random thing -- to bring Gramps back from Heaven only to have Sam kill him so abruptly and due to a monster? I just...thought there would be more.

And while the Mother of All isn't necessarily creepy yet. Her monsters are.

Looks like we might get more on MoA next episode! Yay!

I think this has been an interestingly compelling season.

GOOD! I want to read more stuff like THIS because it seems I stumble across so many comments to the contrary it just...brings me down. Making me want to be positive all over the place JUST BECAUSE! :)

Thank you for remaining positive and for being brave enough to open up like this. I hope the final episodes don't disappoint you.

I will admit I was scared to post this. And almost deleted it the moment it was up, but I'm glad I left it because I've seen a couple of posts that have said they really like this season and that's been so great to read. :)

I don't think they'll disappoint me because I'm no longer in a position of expectation where I can be disappointed. Sure, there are things I'd like to see, but if I don't see them it's okay; I know they'll show me other things I'll enjoy and that's just fine with me. :)

See you later (and thank you for taking time to write this response).


jesters_tear82
Apr. 26th, 2011 04:34 pm (UTC)
"Maybe some of you think I'm nuts for even thinking about this" - Well duh, you should head straight into the looney bin! Like the rest of us fans, who care so much about our show :)

Being serious now, you really shouldn't care what other people say (I know I'm one to talk.. but still). It's exactly like with the show, some will like, some will hate & some will be head over heels, same with your ramble. I personally LOVE your take on things, even when I don't agree with every word I respect your way of digging into the heart & soul of each episode. & I do like this new approach of accepting the show's faults, not expecting too much & then being ecstatic when they surprise you with a great episode like the last one.

That's my way of looking at season 6 - having fun with out heroes, accompany them on this journey until the end (which I hope will be after a glorious season 7). When I'm really disgruntled I turn to episode tags ;) Your comparison to the books was very true, if you think about it, this is still an awesome show, so much better than a lot of others of TV right now. Just, when looking back on the 5 before.. it's light kinda dims. But what can we do, if we bitch & moan all day will it help? Nope. I do feel the need to defend this season (remember what I wrote about my sister saying it sucks?) - despite it's flaws, it's still SUPERNATURAL, and the Winchesters keep owning me ;)

So - what do I find disappointing? First of all, the lack of the brotherhood, only recently getting back on track. As a consequence, I've missed the Dean I know & love, thus was so glad to see him shine in the western :) Also, I agree about Sera Gamble, I trust her less than I did Kripke, that's why I have such great hopes for the season final written by him. Sera it seems is less focused, her vision wants to catch so much in so little time, so we've got too many plots to solve in these last 4 episodes.. it just feels a bit jumbled, unlike say season 2+4 which were so cohesive. I wish for some more healing interaction between the brothers! & not just jokes.. dealing with their year apart & together with RoboSam. I know a wee bit of spoilers that I'll spare you, but I have a good feeling we'll get some of those desired resolutions in the weeks to come.

You keep the positive attitude Gaelic, OK? It's a great approach to life in general.

throwing fresh, juicy tomatoes at you, they're good for your health :)
*hugs*





gaelicspirit
Apr. 26th, 2011 07:22 pm (UTC)
That's my way of looking at season 6 - having fun with out heroes, accompany them on this journey until the end (which I hope will be after a glorious season 7).

Yeah, that's the way I choose to look at it, too.

this is still an awesome show, so much better than a lot of others of TV right now.

SO, so true.

Sera it seems is less focused, her vision wants to catch so much in so little time, so we've got too many plots to solve in these last 4 episodes.. it just feels a bit jumbled

I agree and I have felt that for awhile, which is why I adopted the hope that I'll "get" this season in retrospect. :)

I have a good feeling we'll get some of those desired resolutions in the weeks to come.

Oh, I hope, hope, hope so!! I want to end this Season saying, "Oh! I see!" and "EEEK! It's going to be a long summer!" :)

throwing fresh, juicy tomatoes at you, they're good for your health :)

*grins*

You're too good to me. :)

See you soon!
(Anonymous)
Apr. 27th, 2011 01:57 am (UTC)
Phooey on them!
I can roll with the fact that it's not my story and continue to hope that the pieces form a complete picture and not a hole-filled puzzle. Even if, at the end of the day, this Season as a whole is in any way 'less' in comparison to Seasons past, I will still have been entertained.

-That's basically my way of viewing my favorite tv shows and dealing with whine-y fans who demand and except plots to go their way. Its not a "Choose Your Own Adventure" book. We didn't create the characters or the show, we have no say in how the writers should do their job or the direction of the storyline. All we can do as fans is support, promote(conversion :p), and watch the show and its cast tell the story and go along for the ride. The same can be said for stories and books.

Like you, I have been watching the show since the beginning and I just have to see it through to the end. Its made it here so far and to up and quit now because of change or a little plot holes? No way. Some people may not like this season or stopped watching or whatever, well, boo-hoo on them. I like it. It's not the same of suspense and mystery as the last seasons and it may be dragging out and rushed a bit but I can't just walk away! I guess you can say I still have faith? ;)

As for the "Final Four" episodes? Make that the final four episodes of this season because I just found out that SPN has been renewed for a 7th season. ;)

Crash_n_Burn
gaelicspirit
Apr. 27th, 2011 06:12 pm (UTC)
Re: Phooey on them!
It's not the same of suspense and mystery as the last seasons and it may be dragging out and rushed a bit but I can't just walk away! I guess you can say I still have faith? ;)

Atta girl. :)

And YAY!!! Season 7!! I feel so much better about the final four of this season now. No matter what happens (and I do mean NO MATTER WHAT) at the end of this Season, there's time to "fix" things in S7.

I would say that I wouldn't mind 7 being the end. Lucky Number 7. The Magnificent 7. :) Just to wrap it up nicely and give our heroes that beautiful 'end' (I don't mean END end, but...closure) they deserve.

Thanks for replying. :)
annie200
Apr. 27th, 2011 01:42 pm (UTC)
Oh how I love your rambles! you always say what i am thinking in a so much more erudite way than I can manage to say myself.
I have NEVER loved a TV show like I love Spn and I am OLD.( I get up at 4.00am to download it for goodness' sake! ) and the reasons why I love it so much are many and varied but depend ultimately on the secret Samanddean ingredient which makes it utterly unique. There are MOTW that I don't even remember because honestly, that's not what I'm watching for. What I want to see is the wonderful snarky, tender, totally devoted relationship between these 2 brothers who have stolen my heart. But..one of the reasons that I think I am so invested in them is because their journey together has been so tumultuous. There has been loyalty and abandonment, love and betrayal but running through has always been a thread of Winchester family devotion. There were episodes that made me weep for the brothers, times when I swore I couldn't watch any more of Dean's suffering..and yet! So there has been a lot of Season 6 that I haven't enjoyed, but mostly because I was so utterly immersed in Winchester lore that I was angry that Dean had given so much and received so little. Those words about "All I got was my brother in a hole" just about broke me. For weeks I hated Swansong and now with hindsight and perspective, I love it.
I don't think I'm ever going to feel that way about S6..too many balls in the air, and some of them wasted, like Samuel. But I'm hoping that now I've gone through all those stages of grief about how unfairly Dean has been treated, that I'm going to be able to look at it from his perspective. His brother isn't in a hole any more, and he is once again "Sammy", and for that I think he, and therefore, I can forgive a lot, provided that the finale doesn't deliver too much of a crushing blow.
I think Sera is definitely a weaker writer than EK, but it must be hard to have to adapt someone else's vision when that person has taken the goalposts away. There's definitely been too much tricksyness, but if what Bob Singer says about next season having a pared-down Western feel to it is true then I might be much happier.And I'm already delirious with relief that there is a S7.
Until next season Gaelic, same time same channel!
gaelicspirit
Apr. 27th, 2011 06:20 pm (UTC)
Thank you so much for the compliment to the ramble. I'm so glad it makes a difference to you even in some small way. :)

But..one of the reasons that I think I am so invested in them is because their journey together has been so tumultuous. There has been loyalty and abandonment, love and betrayal but running through has always been a thread of Winchester family devotion.

Oh, yes. This. So very much this.

I don't think I'm ever going to feel that way about S6..too many balls in the air, and some of them wasted, like Samuel. But I'm hoping that now I've gone through all those stages of grief about how unfairly Dean has been treated, that I'm going to be able to look at it from his perspective.

I agree! When they announced that there was going to be a S7, I instantly felt relief because I felt like no matter how they ended this season, there was a chance to make it all "better" (if there's a need to). And there's a chance to make Dean...matter differently. I hesitate to say that because I don't want it to sound like I feel he hasn't mattered this season -- he SO has. And there have been some things that were done because of his heart and tenacity alone (like Sam being resouled). But I would really love for him to be more pivotal in some way -- balance out the weight that's been placed on Sam (in my opinion) this season.

if what Bob Singer says about next season having a pared-down Western feel to it is true then I might be much happier.

Oh, I hadn't heard that!! YAY! That does sound promising. :)

Thanks so much for commenting. :)
countess_k
Apr. 27th, 2011 10:58 pm (UTC)
I know exactly what you’re talking about. My friend (the one who introduced me to Supernatural,) and I used to discuss this about our favourite anime shows. How they all had a “heart,” an underlying theme that everything in the story orbited around and resonated with. Those punch-in-the-gut moments you talk about is when this “heart,” gives a strong beat and pumps blood to the surface. You see the shape of it, you get a feel of it, and because it’s been there all the time without being visible those pulses affect you really deeply.

My friend’s favorite example was “Naruto,” a show that at first glance seemed like a kid's show. She used to say that amongst all the ninja fighting and wacky characters, the story really was about friendship and how far you would go to be there for your friends.

It’s similar with Supernatural.

I’ve said many times how I didn’t like Season 1. The reason behind it could be because I couldn’t find the heart then. Not until the finale at least. When Devil’s Trap came along and I watched the YED talk to Dean in the visage of his father, telling him how he fought for his family while they didn’t need him, how Sammy was John’s favorite and how all of Dean’s sacrifices were for nothing, a veil was lifted for me. Suddenly I saw what the show was about. Not “two brothers driving around the country chasing monsters and ghosts,” but, “a young man willing to sacrifice his all to keep his troubled family together.” And that’s when it all fell into place and Ifell in love with the show.

That core message hasn’t changed throughout the seasons. It has waxed and waned but never gotten lost. There aren’t many shows I can say the same thing about and because of that I’m still a big fan. Even after six seasons the show is still about Dean wanting to keep his family safe (blood or otherwise.) His sacrifice has affected the people around him so much that we have Sam jumping into hell to save the world and Bobby offering his soul to help his boys. That is why even though Season 6 has had so many missteps and plotholes we stayed with it. The heart beats the same, it just hasn’t had any spurts to bring emotions to the surface yet. Good news is that the way these last couple of episodes have gone I’m suspecting we’ll get one of those very soon, possibly before the end of the season. And I guess it would be as gorgeous as “Devil’s Trap”, or Dean’s sacrifice at the end of Season 2, or his going to hell at the end of S 3, and his staying through Lucifer’s beating just to say, “I’m here Sammy,” in the finale last year.

Happy seventh season announcement, dear. Here's a warning for you: you'll have to do your rambles for at least another year. And we’ll be here, ready as always, to gobble them up and spit our thoughts back at you. :)

gaelicspirit
Apr. 29th, 2011 04:43 pm (UTC)
That core message hasn’t changed throughout the seasons. It has waxed and waned but never gotten lost. There aren’t many shows I can say the same thing about and because of that I’m still a big fan.

Yes. This. Exactly.

That is why even though Season 6 has had so many missteps and plotholes we stayed with it. The heart beats the same, it just hasn’t had any spurts to bring emotions to the surface yet.

And, like you, I'm hopeful that will change (even if just for a bit) in these last four episodes of this season.

I'm so happy to hear that we have a 7th season. I am honestly hopeful it will be the last -- that we wrap up our boys' story in a Winchester-worthy manner. Plus, whatever they "screw up" in this finale they can "fix" in the next season. :) Which doesn't sound really nice, but you know what I mean.
marlowe78
Apr. 30th, 2011 06:32 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry for butting in uninvited, but this paragraph of yours really got to me:
I’ve said many times how I didn’t like Season 1. The reason behind it could be because I couldn’t find the heart then. Not until the finale at least. When Devil’s Trap came along and I watched the YED talk to Dean in the visage of his father, telling him how he fought for his family while they didn’t need him, how Sammy was John’s favorite and how all of Dean’s sacrifices were for nothing, a veil was lifted for me. Suddenly I saw what the show was about. Not “two brothers driving around the country chasing monsters and ghosts,” but, “a young man willing to sacrifice his all to keep his troubled family together.” And that’s when it all fell into place and Ifell in love with the show.

Because yes, exactly! That is my take on this show, this one man who fights and fights for a family that lets him down over and over - and not because they are mean, but because no family anywhere could be suffice for this man's heart.

And what I really love about this show is that for so many fans, the SAME show can be about a young man who fights for his freedom and independence, for love and fairness and his soul - as much as his brother's.

No matter which of the brothers you choose, this show makes it possible to see it entirely from your favorite POV. There is really no need to fight over it, because whatever you want to see, it's there!

Oh, and I have to say that I am at an advantage to many fans, because I didn't really get all-in with the Winchesters until mid-season 4. So I got the most important plot-line (opening the cage to free Lucifer) more or less in one go, I never had to wonder weeks in between what the H*** was going on NOW. I got it all bit-sized (there were days I didn't sleep AT ALL, because I was watching online until the sun came up again...) and I got every little hint that was there close to the next hint, so for me, it was a puzzle with big pieces.
For most fans who started out episode by episode, it was more of a puzzle where you have to wait a week before you're allowed to find the next piece, and much of the over-all picture got lost.

I have great respect for all of you who had to do it like that, since I'm in the same boat now since ...well, yeah, since second-half season 4.

It's one reason why I'm still patient with the writers.
magnolialane
Apr. 29th, 2011 02:50 pm (UTC)
Thank you. You captured exactly what I've been feeling but couldn't put into words about this season. Like you, I'm still enjoying the ride and plan to stay in the Impala until Show comes to a final stop. But I'm not getting the squee that I once did from each episode. I used to watch each each one several times before the next week but now I can watch, be entertained for the evening, and then move on. My life has drastically changed since I first fell in love with our boys, and perhaps my obsession has mellowed a bit as a result as well. But I'm not complaining about the season because who ever would have thought we'd get a 6th and certainly not a 7th (I just saw a post that Show has been renewed for next year). I'll take the boys any way I can get them, but perhaps with a more mature appreciation and grudging acceptance that the ride will eventually come to an end. Thank you for continuing the ramble - I read every one even though I don't leave a comment most of the time (bad Magnolia).
gaelicspirit
Apr. 29th, 2011 04:47 pm (UTC)
Thank YOU for reading -- this and the rambles. Comments are appreciated, but certainly not necessary. :) I am glad to know we'll be riding in the Impala until the end of it all.

My life has drastically changed since I first fell in love with our boys, and perhaps my obsession has mellowed a bit as a result as well.

OMG, I couldn't agree more. When it started, I was just a wife and someone who dreamed of writing. Now, I'm a mom of a soon-to-be five year old and a writer. I don't look at the world with the same eyes as I did before. But through it all, I've stayed with my hero and his brother. :)

So, our obsession can mellow without disappearing. That happens. :)

Thank you for your time here and for sharing your thoughts! :)
marlowe78
Apr. 30th, 2011 06:00 pm (UTC)
Now, before I go on to your ramble about episode 19, I had to stop and read this. Just because I like your thinky-thoughts, and because I'm a chatty person, and I like to share MY thinky-thoughts with people who actually have an idea how addicting this show is to me.

The point being -- I didn't realize that the other writer was basically mediocre until I compared him to a writer I considered exceptional.

YES! to that. It happens all over for me. Before I got hooked on fanfiction, I've already been a reader who swallows books, and actually manages to keep the basic plots in my head so I'd remember them even after 70 more, completely different books.
I inherited my love for lit... no, I can't exactly call it "literature", because I'd be reading the ingredients on a package of corn-flakes if there wasn't anything else to read. So I inherited my love for words from my parents (both readers extraordinaire, even if different genres are preferred) , and over the time, I understood and embraced with it the love for text, sentences as structure. Yes, there is a difference.
In my frantic-reading-years, EVERYTHING written would catch my attention, BUT it needed a hero in it. Yeah, a male hero. I don't wanna read about chicks. Bad, I know, but I usually need a male hero to really want to start the book (I can be convinced occasionally to have a heroine in it -I'm usually pleasantly surprised). Oh, and a plot would be good, please no love-centered story. I need action, murder, mystery! I'm not watching chick-flicks, and I'm not reading chick-books.

So I've come across a LOT of stories that have a nice, interesting plot, and I was entertained.
And like you, when I one day grab a book that grips you from the moment you open it, shake you and stir you and make you cry and refuse sleep because you NEED to know how it ends, only to be exhausted and horribly sad because NOW it's over and you should have stopped reading... you get what I mean, right?

Btw, it works with fanfiction as well. There are some people out there with a talent that makes you want to buy their books, but if you tasted those, it makes it really hard to read anything less. Oh, I know, masters don't drop from the sky, and I certainly acknowledge that.
But yeah, if you ever read a story that does what a good book does with you, it's near impossible to overlook some stuff.

(ok, shutting up now about that...)

tbc
marlowe78
Apr. 30th, 2011 06:00 pm (UTC)
And I'm sure it has a great deal to do with the fact that we started out without our Sam and then got him back so swiftly and controversially in one big bang of light and now it's been a bit like the Show is saying, all that stuff that came in the first 12 episodes? yeah, forget that...we're going to reunite the brothers and it's all good. Which...leaves me feeling a little like we skipped a step.

Oh yes. I agree, it's not the PLOT that is lacking this season. Just the opposite: I love the little plots (meaning the cases) the brothers have to deal with, I loved the Bobby-episode, I mourned my favorite villains (...) and Rufus *sniff* and I can't and won't complain about the ideas that are behind most of them. BUT, like with you, it's the drama in between Sam and Dean that's lacking depth. Hey, the first 12 episodes AT LEAST had the big question over it what the heck was happening with Sam, and why. That was actually pretty cool. But now? Since Sam got his soul back, there isn't enough in-between-moments for me. The "roadside-confessions", the jokes. The huffing and puffing and the shows of affection that COULD be fit in so easily in an episode and wouldn't take any time at all, and I MISS that. But: I missed it in s4 as well (damn, did I miss that) and I never knew why we weren't given it. So yeah, I guess I'm still holding some faith in the writers that there will be some reason, or at least some resolution to all that.

I said earlier that I don't want drama for drama's sake in the show, but I like them to acknowledge the fact that all cannot be well, not "just like that".

And yes, I'd be perfectly happy if we get it from Sam's pov.

I see no problem with "settling". Not for me, at least. Yes, sure there were better episodes, and yes, I don't think I could be as happy with ANY season as I have been with season 2.
But I'm more fascinated by THIS season than I have been with season 5, so for me, it's a step up. I was getting tired of Lucifer, to be honest, and the sheer AMOUNT of danger he created. It was just too much. I like to keep my feet on the ground, do some good, wherever I can instead of worrying over a world-wide nuclear explosion.

So I like little plots with a red string somewhere in there, and so for now, Season 6 hasn't disappointed me much. Heck, we got to know cool monsters! We got to know Crowley and Balthazar, and THOSE two alone make up for a lot.

The ONE thing I am sad about, though, is the story of Grandpa. Maybe we get more of that story, since last nights ep, I'm not too sure about death being all that eternal, BUT his death was a bit rushed, and his storyline got dropped too much to make me feel comfortable. Gordon, Hendrickson, even Meg got more than he did, and HIS story is really intriguing for me.

Now, on to your Ramble. See ya soon, girl *waves*
gaelicspirit
May. 3rd, 2011 07:56 pm (UTC)
I love the little plots (meaning the cases) the brothers have to deal with, I loved the Bobby-episode, I mourned my favorite villains (...) and Rufus *sniff* and I can't and won't complain about the ideas that are behind most of them. BUT, like with you, it's the drama in between Sam and Dean that's lacking depth. Hey, the first 12 episodes AT LEAST had the big question over it what the heck was happening with Sam, and why. That was actually pretty cool. But now? Since Sam got his soul back, there isn't enough in-between-moments for me. The "roadside-confessions", the jokes. The huffing and puffing and the shows of affection that COULD be fit in so easily in an episode and wouldn't take any time at all, and I MISS that.

Yup. *sighs and thinks of something else to add* Yup.

I see no problem with "settling". Not for me, at least. Yes, sure there were better episodes, and yes, I don't think I could be as happy with ANY season as I have been with season 2.

Good. I mean, I would LOVE our show to once more blow me out of the water and leave me exhausted, but I'm okay if all I can get is this...because at least I get to see Dean, right?

The ONE thing I am sad about, though, is the story of Grandpa. Maybe we get more of that story, since last nights ep, I'm not too sure about death being all that eternal, BUT his death was a bit rushed, and his storyline got dropped too much to make me feel comfortable.

Dude. I'm SO with you. I still am hoping that somehow comes back into play, even though we only have 3 episodes left. It was just like...all of this meaning and family and then blip! He's gone. *blink* I'm still scratching my head. *crosses fingers for more info*

Thanks for being chatty and thinking out loud with me. :) See you soon!
gaelicspirit
May. 3rd, 2011 07:53 pm (UTC)
Hi there -- sorry to be responding late. Was trying to get to ramble comments first. :)

And like you, when I one day grab a book that grips you from the moment you open it, shake you and stir you and make you cry and refuse sleep because you NEED to know how it ends, only to be exhausted and horribly sad because NOW it's over and you should have stopped reading... you get what I mean, right?

Ooooohhh yes. I've lost many a nights sleep due to a damn good book/fic. ;)

I could talk good books/stories any day.:)
bagginsdvm
May. 8th, 2011 03:16 am (UTC)
Hi! Somehow I missed this ramble when you 1st posted it & I just read it tonight. Always a pleasure to read your thoughts!
This show, & the character of Dean in particular, had me from Day One! It is the only show I've ever been this fiercely devoted to, the only one I've ever been willing to "delurk" & post my opinions online, the only one about which I seek out friends to discuss the week's episode the next morning. Sure, there are character developments & plot points that I'm not thrilled about, but I love the Winchesters (and the actors who portray them) & their world so much that I'll take the little bit of bad that comes with so much good, & I'll be there watching until the very end!
Dawn
gaelicspirit
May. 10th, 2011 04:09 pm (UTC)
Sure, there are character developments & plot points that I'm not thrilled about, but I love the Winchesters (and the actors who portray them) & their world so much that I'll take the little bit of bad that comes with so much good, & I'll be there watching until the very end!

Yep, this is me as well. I doubt myself sometimes, wonder if it's bad that I "settle" on a lesser storyline or what have you, but in the end, I decided that it's about enjoyment in the show, and this is how I find it. :)

Thank you for reading and adding your thoughts!
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